UK scientists invent male 'pill' that can be taken hours before sex

[ECH1969]

British scientists have developed a revolutionary pill that men could take as a one-off contraceptive just before a date.

The tablet would prevent a man from being able to impregnate a woman, but within a few hours his fertility would return to normal.

Critics argue, that men lack women's motivation to prevent pregnancy, making it hard for women to trust them to take a contraceptive pill.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=418791&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490

[misternormal]

1. Gee... a sexist statement about men???

:popcorn:

[sam sarrha]

6. as a man and a Zoologist i can verify the truth that all men are dogs

[BoneDaddy]

87. Maybe you are

but don't throw us all under the bus..

God I find self hating men boring and childish

[Skittles]

52. ?

it is not sexist to say that in general, men care less about birth control than do women

[LoZoccolo]

53. It is if you can't prove it. n/t

[Skittles]

55. I won't even start

not f***ing worth it

[liberalhistorian]

113. And with him, you might as well

just endlessly beat your head against a brick wall. No wonder he was such a Lieber-Bot!

[Warren DeMontague]

79. I don't think that's a sexist statement. I think it reflects the reality of the situation.

I mean, c'mon.

[rurallib]

2. Just slip it into his drink.

[radfringe]

110. if it's not violating copywrite laws - they could use the Iraq plans asa slogan

GO LONG!
GO BIG!
then GO HOME!

[LoZoccolo]

3. It is totally the opposite, men would like a pill and lots of women don't want them to have one.

The 2004 National Scruples and Lies Survey (conducted in the UK) revealed that 42% of women said they'd lie about contraception in order to get pregnant despite what their partner wanted.

Who says that both partners can't take their own pills anyways if they want to?

[beam me up scottie]

8. The "National Scruples and Lies Survey"??? ROFLMAO!!!

:spray:

BUSTED!

You got us, we're all out to get knocked up by you guys, you can't trust a one of us!

Hell, we even go around to drugstores poking holes in the condoms!

:rofl:

[LoZoccolo]

9. I don't think I said we couldn't trust a one of you.

But whatever, whatever, it's expected.

[beam me up scottie]

20. Oh goodie! This must mean I'm finally off the dreaded LoZoccolo Ignore List.

Unlike most of the rest of DU.

[LoZoccolo]

50. Everyone was taken off the day after the election.

The purpose of the ignore list was to manage my time with regard to the 2006 election.

[Warren DeMontague]

80. "The dreaded LoZoccolo Ignore List"

would make a great band name.

[QuestionAll...]

14. guffaw. yeh, like there's a national scruples of anything...

but scrupulously, we have learned that women are deceiving sucubbuses that may want to have one baby compared to the unscrupulous ones that like to see a whole bunch bombed in one sitting.

yeh, that's the ticket, lets talk about This instead.

:sarcasm:

[beam me up scottie]

21. I didn't even know "sucubbuses" was a word.

Never mind that I was one of them.

What does a succubus do?

I mean, other than lie about birth control?

[QuestionAll...]

22. I think you misunderstood me. I get that a lot, being misunderstood.

I should pay more attention to what I type for clarity.

I will pm you I guess.

[beam me up scottie]

26. No, I think I got what you meant.

I was just being silly.

It's less toxic than ranting about the sexism inherent in the previous poster's remarks, no matter HOW much I want to.

[salvorhardin]

61. That's an interesting survey

When I google "2004 National Scruples and Lies Survey" there's only 1 result.
http://tinyurl.com/y9vlaw

Masculinisme
Un site ultra anti-feministe contre la misandrie!
http://masculinisme.blog-city.com/grard_pierre_levesque.htm

Masculinism
A ultra anti-feminist site countering misandry.

Not exactly what I would call a credible source. Do you have a reference for this survey? A news report from the BBC, Guardian or Times of London? Maybe the original source? Because I can't find it.

[beam me up scottie]

62. HOWL!!!

I can't stand it!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Any port looks good in a storm, eh?

Next thing you know, he'll be quoting Phyllis Schlafly.

[LoZoccolo]

64. I get several more than that; you should separate the "2004" out at least.

But it appeared in The Scotsman December 9th, 2004.

[salvorhardin]

69. Ah! OK! Thanks!

So the survey was conducted by That's Life! magazine.

In the poll of 5,000 women for That’s Life! magazine, 45 per cent said they told "little white lies" most days. The favourite untruth was "of course you don’t look fat", with "these shoes were only £10" in second place.

Jo Checkley, the editor of That’s Life! , said that while many women now lied to avoid hurting their partner’s feelings, covering up the truth about a baby could have far more damaging consequences.

She said: "Modern women just can’t stop lying, but they do it to stop hurting other people’s feelings. It could be argued that these little white lies simply make the world go round a little more smoothly. But to tell a man a baby is his when it’s not, or to deliberately get pregnant when your partner doesn’t want a baby, is playing Russian roulette with other people’s lives."
http://www.canadiancrc.com/articles/Scotsman_96_percent_of_women_are_liars_09DEC04.htm

That's Life! is a magazine aimed toward a young female demographic and specialises in gritty real life stories contributed by its readers. The magazine is published in the UK and Ireland by H Bauer Publishing, whose other titles include Take A Break and Bella. The magazine has a circulation of approximately 550,000 a week.

In addition to real life stories, the magazine also includes weekly features such as 'Aren't Men Daft', for which readers send in examples of 'daft' behaviour by their male friends and relatives; lifestyle, health and beauty advice; 'tightwad tips' in which readers are invited to share their ideas for money-saving around the home and many other features relevant to a modern woman's lifestyle.

The magazine has an ethos of easy communication with its readers, with whom it prides itself upon a close and trusting relationship. Reader contribution are valued and respected, with substantial rewards paid for those willing to share their often heart-rending and moving stories.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That's_Life_(magazine)

The magazine that sports such headlines as "Sex crazed in a corset!" (from http://www.bauer.co.uk/website/thatslife.cfm)


I guess that's much more credible then. :crazy:

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[LoZoccolo]

66. Here's one from a previous year, which is on the BBC website.

2001: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1513729.stm

I forgot to mention that the original source is a British women's magazine named That's Life!.

[beam me up scottie]

67. And just LOOK at the blogroll:

A woman against feminism

counterfem

Eternal Bachelor

feminist filth

Menstuff

Men Championing Patriarchy

American Women Suck

Real women

I can hear the oinking all the way across the pond.

[LoZoccolo]

68. It is not my fault that women themselves served up a statistic which was later used against them.

Information wants to be free. Once That's Life! magazine tabulated the results and published them, anyone could cite them.

[salvorhardin]

70. Without the actual survey questions used

We can't really tell anything. That it was a survey done for a women's tabloid should give us pause.

[LoZoccolo]

71. Every response was fake?

All I ever said was that a lot of women don't want men to be able to veto their deliberate lack of birth control. I wasn't trying to prove that "all" or even "most" don't.

[salvorhardin]

72. No one said anything about fakery

But would you pay any attention to a survey done by the National Enquirer or Weekly World News? I wouldn't. This is one step above that.

[beam me up scottie]

73. Of course he would.

If it backed up his misogynistic beliefs, you know it.

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[RB TexLa]

88. I agree, the majority of the lying would be about even having the pills

as in "well, honey, I know how much you want a baby, I just don't know why it's not happening"

Thankfully there is Roe v Wade and what man puts into his body is none of her damn business.

[TahitiNut]

92. 24% ... not 42% (in 2001) ... 42% in 2004. (9/11 sure changed things.)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1513729.stm

" Forty-two per cent would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant, no matter the wishes of their partner."
http://www.canadiancrc.com/articles/Scotsman_96_percent_of_women_are_liars_09DEC04.htm

[iamjoy]

4. There Is Truth To That

I mean, since *in general* a woman bears (pun intended) most of the burden of a pregnancy/child rearing it is in her best interests to take care of the birth control.

I believe most men are decent, but you know there are a few real jerks who would say, "oh, honey, don't worry, I took the pill" when they haven't and then dodging all responsibility for the resulting baby. That's not to say there aren't some women who haven't used the same trick on decent guys.

The point is, for men and women - if you are going to be having sex and you aren't in a committed relationship, you better take care of the birth control yourself. Better double protection than none.

[LoZoccolo]

5. It is very doubtful some guy would do that.

The entire legal system is stacked against him not taking responsibility (one that gives women choice and denies it to men).

[HardRocker05]

18. oh give it up; BIOLOGY gives men some choices women don't have, and vice

and vice versa. there is no LAW preventing men from having abortions. they have all the choice they need at the moment that counts, and they can not blame an unwanted child on anyone else, unless they were deceived about the woman using birth control.

[Ilsa]

19. And how many women have heard men BEG them not to make

them use a condom?

[beam me up scottie]

27. Ooo! Ooo! Ooo! Pick me, Mr. Kotter!

I have!

I've heard them do that!

[liberalhistorian]

37. "Waves hand, jumps up and down",

Me too, me too!!!

[ContraBass Black]

51. I think this would be very different

Unless the pill also inhibits sensation.



A man who refuses to wear a condom out of selfishness would have additional incentive to take this one, as it would prevent a potentially serious legal attachment later.

[Ilsa]

98. MAybe, maybe not. I've also heard men say they would rape if

they thought they could get away with it. And I've heard men illogically claim that if there was legal prostitution, there'd be less rape, as if they'd rather take a chance on getting sent to prison versus getting fined for solicitation. I'm not sure people think clearly when it comes to sex, especially if their sensation is inhibited by a side effect or the action of the pill.

[beam me up scottie]

28. Men have a choice. At least until they deposit their sperm into someone else, that is..

Yeah, I know, it's just SO unfair. :nopity:

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[kiahzero]

39. I'm not sure that's really the best argument to be making

They can choose to keep their pants zipped.

That particular argument doesn't seem to end anywhere good.

[beam me up scottie]

40. How about suggesting they should keep their penis on a leash?

Do you really think they have a right to decide what happens AFTER they ejaculate into a woman's body?

[kiahzero]

44. Not really.

I'm just saying the "Keep your penis in your pants" argument leaves a wide opening for the "Keep your legs closed" retort that anti-abortion people love so much.

[beam me up scottie]

47. Yeah, I got you.

I agree it's a thread killer much of the time, but in this case, the poster who is being addressed shouldn't expect, nor does he deserve, IMO, tactful replies.

[Warren DeMontague]

109. Eh, some people might enjoy that.

...Just sayin'.

:evilgrin:

[LoZoccolo]

56. Lieberman was endorsed by NARAL in the primary against Lamont.

I did not support Lieberman after the primary.

[QuestionAll...]

33. I'll believe in a man pill when there's a man preggie belly...

9 months, and squirting out a pain filled delightful watermelon that will most likely have a mom than a dad in the ongoing years.

bah. man pills.
means absolutely nothing.

[beam me up scottie]

36. Hee hee.

I feel your pain, honey...

Seriously, I know some men would be willing to take on pregnancy if they could, but the fact that they can't makes some of them pretty fucking oblivious.

[Occulus]

77. Quick question: How many women in 2004 got pregnant due to contraception failure?

To be absolutely clear, I'm talking about "The Pill".

I'd think the same sort of pill for men would mean something to them, or would have.

BOTH genders need a medical way to prevent conception.

[BlooInBloo]

7. Prior art!!! I can take LOTS of currently-existing pills hours before sex.

heeheehee

[HCE SuiGeneris]

10. The key element is

("The tablet would prevent a man from being able to impregnate a woman, but WITHIN A FEW HOURS his fertility would return to normal.")

get 'em in bed fast! :9 :rofl:

[beam me up scottie]

30. Oh, great. Another reason to skip foreplay...

But we gotta do it NOW, honey!


:evilgrin:

[misternormal]

54. Foreplay is NOT an hour of begging... lol...n/t

[beam me up scottie]

57. ROFL!

:rofl:

[kiahzero]

60. Depends on how the begging is being done.

;)

[sandnsea]

11. Men lack motivation to prevent pregnancy???

Interesting. Not my experience. Men lack motivation to wear a condom - big difference.

[Warpy]

13. Not really

Refusing to wear a condom indicates he doesn't care if he gets us pregnant, gives us a disease, eventually kills us. We are irrelevant and any male who feets like that gets kicked to the curb very quickly.

Protect yourself from future child support payments, guys. Quit whining and wear that condom.

[sandnsea]

16. Not really

Men are just as likely to get a disease from women as the other way around. The fact that they'll take the risk indicates it's the condom, not the lack of concern for women.

Your post actually indicates a person who hates men, although I doubt you see it.

Give men a pill. Unplanned pregnancy rates will plummet. Men don't have welfare to make their child support payments when they're unemployed. They get what it means to bring a child into this world.

[TahitiNut]

94. Indeed.

:noddinghead:

[lastliberalintexas]

100. Um, not true at all

http://amcat.org/news/sc/1991/SC910904.html

That's just one article from a quick google about the incidence of infection and the differences in men and women. As one who became sexually mature in the 1980s, I can attest to the fact that this was also pounded into the heads of kids in sex ed classes of the late 1980s, even in Texas. Men AND women of my generation know this little tidbit very well, unless they've been buried under a rock for the last 20 years and/or reared in a fundy-anti-sex ed home.

And if you think that this very pertinent fact plays no role in the willingness of men to wear condoms, then I have this bridge you might be interested in buying...


Biologically, of course, it is also perfectly logical that a man can much more easily infect a woman than vice versa. Just wanted to clear up that little misinformation, though I'll avoid the other flame wars raging in this thread.

[sandnsea]

105. Any given man

is at risk to get an STD as much as any given woman, when both are sexually active. People do not, and should not, base their sexual choices on statistics. That EVERY man doesn't consequently wear a condom is evidence that motivation to wear a condom is more about the condom than the consequences.

The transmittability of viruses and bacteria is so completely not the point that it's no more useful than trivia about coca cola douches.

[boolean]

31. A condom reduces the sensation

And makes it not as pleasurable. THAT'S what it's about.

It's amazing that so many women don't get that, considering that it's harder for them to have an orgasm than a man. Think about the WORST sex you've ever had. No clitoral stimulation or G-spot stimulation at all. That's what a condom does to a man.

[beam me up scottie]

34. And that's more important than preventing pregnancy?

Trust me, we know exactly WHAT it's about.

[liberalhistorian]

35. And you think the pill, the diaphragm, or

that damned burning, itching vaginal foam is any better for women? I'm just glad I had a hysterectomy a few years ago and don't have to deal with any of that anymore.

[kiahzero]

41. Stop buying shitty condoms?

Quality counts.

[BlooInBloo]

59. I'm WITH ya! 'less pleasurable' is TOTALLY comparable to 'unwanted pregnancy'!!!!

You go! I got yer back!!

:rofl:

Utter genius.

[beam me up scottie]

63. !

:P

[renate]

75. um... boo hoo?

That's the best I can summon up, considering what an unplanned pregnancy does to a woman.

Amazing that so many men don't get that.

[lastliberalintexas]

101. If you are so unconcerned about giving your partner

some sort of disease, then I could really give a shit if you have an orgasm, which is minor in the grand scheme of things we're discussing. (and of course that is the generic "you", as the poster might be in a committed, monogamous relationship).

If people think that an unplanned pregnancy is the worst thing that can result from unprotected sex, then we have more work to do than I thought. And, unfortunately, a male contraceptive pill will only increase the rate of infection for women, as men will have one more excuse to not wear a condom.


*sigh* So much for staying out of the flame war...

[kiahzero]

112. Nice assumptions there.

If both partners are STD-free and monogamous, where is "some sort of disease" going to come from?

[Warpy]

12. Here's the operative paragraph from the article:

"However the new pill being researched by scientists at King's College London, contains chemicals that prevent ejaculation and could be in tablet-form."

Prevent ejaculation? That's rather the POINT for a male, isn't it?

So he takes the pill, gets lucky, humps away, feels it building and then....nothing? It doesn't sound like a winner to me. It sounds like an exercise in frustration.

I doubt it will be popular.

[Minnesota_Lib]

17. It's kind of painful to even think about.

x(

[beam me up scottie]

23. Yeah, that will be one of those side effects they blurt out at the end

of the commercials.

You know, the ones that sound like they're reading the fine print on a car advert?

[tkmorris]

25. Good catch Warpy

That's a deal killer right there. I have to wonder who thought this idea was even worth spending research funding on. There is no way this pill is going anywhere.

[kiahzero]

42. Maybe they just meant ejaculation of semen rather than orgasm

Yeah, there will be some guys who refuse to take it because they're fixated on that emission, but I think that speaks volumes about their sexual maturity.

[beam me up scottie]

45. It's a little confusing, isn' it?

However the new pill being researched by scientists at King's College London, contains chemicals that prevent ejaculation and could be in tablet-form.

Men could take one daily, just like the female pill, or have one a few hours before sex as a one-off contraceptive.

Sexual satisfaction is not affected and the absence of hormones means that a man's fertility should return to normal within hours of stopping the treatment.

[kiahzero]

46. That's what makes me leads me to that conclusion

If there were no orgasm, I don't think it would be accurate at all to say that "sexual satisfaction is not affected." It's difficult, though, because heaven forbid that we not talk in euphemisms when discussing sexuality. :eyes:

[beam me up scottie]

48. And it gets even stranger...

The contraceptive was inspired by the observation that some drugs used to treat schizophrenia and high blood pressure also prevent ejaculation.

However, side-effects including dizziness and drowsiness mean these medicines could not be marketed as contraceptives.

After pinning down how the drugs stop ejaculation, the London researchers set about creating tablets that do the same thing but without the side-effects.

Is an orgasm considered a "side-effect" ?

[Warren DeMontague]

82. Ooooh, yeah, that might kinda cut into the appeal, huh.

I mean, why not just get a C--

oh, never mind.

[mongo]

111. It is possible for men to have orgrasms without ejaculation

Although most men don't. The Taoists developed a methodology and philosophy about this long ago.

[Minnesota_Lib]

15. Taken one hour before sex? So much for spontaneity.

:-(

[hsher]

24. "I forgot to take it, I was watching the game..."

Whoooooops!

[beam me up scottie]

29. Funniest bathroom graffiti EVER:

On condom machine next to the coin slot:

For refund, insert baby here

[hsher]

38. ROTFLMAO

OK, that one's good
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[TlalocW]

43. Feh, I took something 4 years ago that is much more effective

A trip to the urologist for a vasectomy. No kids for me... ever. :)

And I still wear a condom in the beginning of a relationship because I don't want to catch anything. Our school's sex-education was part of health class, which was taught by the football coach, and here's what it was... "Okay, chapter 11... sex education. Um... okay, is there anyone who DOESN'T know? All right, chapter 12, proper body hygiene." That spurred me to learn on my own, which in turn scared me, which in turn makes condoms my best friends.

TlalocW

[beam me up scottie]

49. I've often wondered why more men don't choose that option.

The forty-something boomers I work with physically shudder at the very mention of the V-word.

If I had an inexpensive, non-invasive option with no side effects that was covered by insurance, you bet your sweet bippy I'd go for it.

The freedom of NOT having to worry about it must be so liberating.

[Evoman]

78. Because some of us are immature at the moment...after some maturation,

we may want to have kids. Or not. But you can't really know. And reversal of a visectomy isn't always easy.

Honestly, I don't know if most men would lie about their contraceptive or whatever....all I know is me. And I know that if this were a choice....I would be on the male pill like white on rice. BC isn't 100 percent, and condoms rip....and god knows I don't want to pay for paternity for the rest of my life, until I was absolutely sure I wanted a kid.

I want the male pill.

[TlalocW]

86. Incredibly non-invasive

I got it on a Friday. It cost me $50 co-pay (I told the urologist, "Just fifty bucks? Well, hell, I'll take two then!"), and I sat on a bag of frozen peas for an hour after I drove myself home. Two other things going for me is I'm not nervous about operations (I fell asleep in the waiting room), and I'm a fast healer.

The freedom of not having to worry about it is liberating, but the fact of the matter is, I probably have less sex than most people because I'm a childfree male in freakin' Tulsa, don't feel the need to be in a relationship for the sake of being in one, etc. I got inspired to get one after deciding I was childfree and then reading a story on a childfree message board where a fellow childfree guy with a V was in bed with his girlfriend, and she told him that she was pregnant with his baby. He laughed and kicked her out of bed and out of his house, but that and stories of deliberate "oopsing" scared me.

TlalocW

[blogslut]

58. My brother did that

I admre him for it.

As for the OP. Wear condoms gentlemen. Insist on them ladies. When it comes to sex, people lie.

[upi402]

65. gee, I wonder if I'll get an email about this?

:sarcasm:
(spam sucks)

[Warren DeMontague]

81. GOOD. We need MORE options for contraception. More research, more availability.

It's probably not a coincidence that this research was done in Britain. Bush has staffed the U.S. government with reactionary fundamentalist troglodytes who think at best contraception should be harder to obtain, at worst, people should go to jail for using it.

Folks here need to WAKE UP to the anti-contraception agenda that is the next step in the Talibornagain jihad.

[Evoman]

83. I don't get that criticism.

Yeah, sure guys could lie about it...but so could a horny woman. Oh hell yeah its more likely that a man would lie, but thats why shes on BC as well right? Right?

Most guys I know would rather not knock someone up. Most guys I know would do ANYTHING to prevent that. Its not even an issue of lying...its an issue of knowing that many times womens BC fails for whatever reason, and a condom isn't 100 percent reliable. My last gf would sometimes get really busy and forget to take her BC (lol..and I'm absolutely sure she wasn't tring to get pregnant...she would have had an abortion in a minute if she had to).

Why does it always have to come back to men being liars? If you don't trust your man to take the pill and think he would lie about it, then you probably shouldn't be trusting him about not having STDs. If your just going out with a guy for awhile, he should be wrapping it up anyways, right? No one should put trust completely on such an important issue on somebody else anyways....men or women. Take your damn BC!

[Nikki Stone1]

84. If you are worried about getting a woman pregnant, you should always use birth control

whether she does or not.

[Evoman]

85. Exactly my point....except that something with a better percentage

than condoms would be nice.

But thats my point exactly....never trust somebody else with something that important.

[mongo]

89. Amazing that a thread about a scientific discovery

that helps both men and women turns into a choice male-bashing thread.

You would think that some of the women around here that have bad side-effects/reactions to female BC would be cheering this on.

But no, just that we can't trust ANY man to take this, not even our spouses.

Geesh.

[VelmaD]

90. the question is does it really help men and women...

if it gives men yet another excuse not to wear a condom. Despite what someone said upthread...there are many venereal diseases that it is MUCH easier for a woman to get from a man than vice versa. It's already hard enough to convince some guys to wrap it up without this. And it's hard to convince some women to make their partners wear one. Condoms protect EVERYONE...male and female. And anything that discourages condom usage is a bad thing for everyone.

The fact is that men should consider using this pill in addition to condoms. Not instead of. Just like women should use multiple forms of birth control and STD prevention.

[mongo]

95. I certainly encourage comdom use

by people with new/multiple partners, but most committed hetro couples that use comdoms are not using them for disease control.

It is a good alternative for women in committed couples who can't tolerate oral contraceptives.

It's also a fact that many people in the heat of the moment don't stop to put on a condom - even if one is available. A pill that a guy could take before going out clubbing "just in case", would be an easier form of BC.

It's up to both partners to decide what safe sex/birth control methods they require. Although I would advocate always wearing a condom outside of a committed relationship, I know that doesn't always happen.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

96. It's true about reducing sensation.

It's a perfectly valid point in regards to monogamous couples, married people for example, that aren't worried about STDs but still don't want pregnancy.

[Warren DeMontague]

99. I know women who don't like 'em, either. It's not just men.

I think the wise thing to do is for people to weigh the relationship they're in and the level of commitment, and go from there. My view is, if you're having casual sex or serial short monogamous relationships, you'd be foolish as hell not to use condoms. If folks are in a long-term monogamous relationship or married, particularly if they have good trust and both partners have been tested for HIV, then it's equally silly to hector 'em that they MUST fuck only with condoms--- Gimme a break.

[Warren DeMontague]

97. You're honestly arguing that people should have FEWER birth control options because that way

you can force them to engage in behavior you consider more "responsible"?

Isn't that what the religious right does?

Shouldn't all that be up to the consenting adults involved?

[lastliberalintexas]

103. I didn't read it that way

I think you and Velma agree that more birth control is better, so long as condoms are still used by those not in committed, monogamous relationships. The concern is simply that 1. most men don't like condoms, 2. infection rates for sexual diseases are much higher for women than men, so 3. a condom protects the woman more than the man from something far more damaging than an unwanted pregnancy. If this pill is used as an excuse to not ALSO wear a condom, then yes, it's a bad development.


I say that as a female who is married and does not have to worry about these issues because we've gone the snip and clip route. But prior to that, I also had an unplanned pregnancy due to BC failure. So, yes, I want people to have more and better options- so long as disease control isn't tossed out with the baby and the bathwater.

[Warren DeMontague]

106. Here's the thing: If you're talking about consenting adults-

then really, it's up to them to decide what forms of birth control to use. Yes, I agree, the smart thing for people who are having casual sex to do is use condoms. But I'm not in charge of making them wear condoms, nor do I want to be. You could argue that the birth control pill could be an 'excuse' for someone not to wear a condom or use a condom, too. That doesn't mean the birth control pill is a bad thing.

And, again, as long as we're talking about consenting adults- if a man doesn't want to wear a condom, then on my planet at least, a woman who insists on condoms is free not to have sex with that guy. Somehow however, in this argument, we've been transported to the land where women need to be "protected" from men bearing "excuses" instead of latex.

And as I noted above, there are women who don't like condoms, too.

My bottom line is, consenting adults can and should make their own decisions. We've heard endless amounts of complaining, for years, about the lack of a male pill. I'm appalled that the technology of birth control has not had any real advances in decades. I applaud ANY research that gives people more options.

[Generic Other]

91. Maybe they will become the female version of rufies

slipped into an unsuspecting man's drinks.

[Book Lover]

93. Excellent!

I am so glad to see progress unveiled before our eyes. This is excellent.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

102. Rhythm Method Always Worked Fine For Me, But Had They Had A Pill I Would've Used It.

As long as there weren't any mood altering or physical feeling type side effects (such as fatigue, nausea etc..) I would've had no problem taking it. Pretty cool that there may be this option in the future.

[lastliberalintexas]

104. I guess it's a good thing that women don't have that attitude

"As long as there weren't any mood altering or physical feeling type side effects (such as fatigue, nausea etc..) I would've had no problem taking it."


Yes, this is a great development. But I wish we could make more progress on the female contraceptive pills as well. :)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

108. Many Women Absolutely Do Have That Attitude.

I know many women who are conflicted about going on the pill due to the multitude of side effects.

[Bluebear]

107. Stop! Every sperm could make a child! Choose life!

:sarcasm: