Hil's camp sez Carville on his own in Dump Dean coup bid

[Laura PourMeADrink]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/story/472767p-397816c.html

Hil's no dump Dean fan

Hil's no dump Dean fan

Her camp sez Carville on his own in coup bid

BY KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON - James Carville's attempt to topple Howard Dean as chairman of the Democratic National Committee failed after state party officials and even a vocal critic of Dean crushed the coup, officials said.
Insiders from the Clinton camp winced at Carville's untimely remarks last week calling for Dean's ouster in favor of unsuccessful Senate candidate Harold Ford of Tennessee.

"It was not coming from and they made a real effort to distance themselves from James' comments," said a source close to the Clintons.

The Clintonistas don't want an undeserved backlash from the activist wing of the party that overwhelmingly supports Dean, especially because some anti-Clinton Democrats have blamed Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) for the attack by Carville, a longtime Clinton insider. Those forces claimed Carville's motive was to topple Dean in favor of a chairman more favorable to Sen. Clinton's bid for President.

Carville's remarks last week came as House Speaker-designate Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) bungled the race for Democratic majority leader. Party operatives acknowledged the Carville and Pelosi sideshows were detracting from their election victories.

"We applaud Chairman Dean for his commitment to ensuring Democratic candidates and state Democratic parties have the resources and tools needed to compete and win, and we remain committed to the hard work of rebuilding our party for the future," said Mark Brewer, president of the Association of State Democratic Chairs.

Brewer's organization endorsed Dean's $30 million effort that helped win six new Democratic governorships and control of 10 more state legislatures. Dean is credited with launching a "50 state program" to rebuild the party at the grass roots, as the GOP so successfully has done for the past 25 years.

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Originally published on November 19, 2006
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[HereSince1628]

1. Sorry, I ain't buying that, but the good news is

the Clinton camp is triangulating towards the base not the republicans on this little brew-ha-ha.

[Tellurian]

5. What took so long for a response from Hillary's camp?

This has been a post election issue for a couple of weeks now..

malingering problems can go from molehills to mountains if not addressed decisively.

Replace your PR staff.

[HereSince1628]

9. Well, you know, you can't always trust the first time you check the wind

You might just have caught a random swirl.

[Tellurian]

18. haaaa!

I like it!

:hi:

[ChiciB1]

20. Good Response!! n/t

[hedda_foil]

15. They were waiting to see how it played out

My goodness, they certainly didn't want their fingerprints on an unsuccessful coup ... even if it was their idea. So when they knew they had lost, they cut their stalking horse loose -- but not til they knew it had failed.

[sallyseven]

17. It has been 12 lousy stinking days since the election.

Clinton camp is justified in waiting until the facts were out. You know how reliable the news media is. Besides carville didn't come out full force until late last week.

[Donnachaidh]

2. Don't buy it.

Hillary is too close to Carville the Cryptkeeper.

[blm]

8. They waited till SIX DAYS after they saw they LOST on the issue.

.

[Buck Rabbit]

43. This article is not an on the record denial from the Clintons at all.

Not one person NAMED in this article is a Clinton spokesperson or even in the Clinton inner circle.

This article is just speculation that they don't want to be blamed, but the piece of crap writer didn't get a single Clinton insider to deny involvement on the record.

I think your clock should be SIX DAYS and still counting.

[FlaGranny]

3. Pelosi bungled?

She bungled the race for Democratic majority leader? She supported someone who did not win. That's a bungle? Geez.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

4. I agree - it's so insane the way they are making up this shit. The

Dems haven't been in power in ages - so WHAT ! People are trying to decide who to lead. That is actually a smart thing - finding leaders who can organize all the shit we have to clean up from the pukes.

[immoderate]

10. WTF? Exercising democracy is "bungling?"

Did these motherfuckers ever accuse Bush of bungling foreign policy?

--IMM

[blm]

37. No, too busy monitoring Democrats to see if they dropped a pronoun from their jokeline.

Now THAT is important stuff that effects this nation and its governance. Rush told me so.

[hedgehog]

14. I thought she did a great job.

She got points for being loyal to the guy who has helped her in the past, but the post ended up going to someone who won't be a lightning rod for ethics accusations. (Yes, I know that Murtha is clean, but that wouldn't have stopped the Republicans from making him the issue.)

[ChiciB1]

21. MSM Was Super Quick To Report ALL About THAT!

I told my husband who was watching Pelosi talk last week, that Hillary should probably keep an eye out for Pelosi. He really really likes Pelosi, which is saying a lot coming from a gold "ole" southern guy born in Tampa, FL!

I do think I may have had a heavy hand in his political bent, but hey, that's what I'm here for!!

[patricia92243]

6. Good for Hil. Maybe now that Carville see the Clintons don't back him up, he will shut up!

[blm]

7. Then why didn't they scold Carville for attacking Dean as quickly as they 'scolded' Kerry

for dropping a pronoun in his joke.

Does anyone believe this pile of crap? The Clintons didn't distance themselves from Carville until it was apparent they LOST on the issue SIX DAYS LATER.

[KharmaTrain]

11. Looks Like Hillary's the one whose "bungling it"

I agree...I didn't see any comment from Hillary about this until she could see the political fall-out and try to tap dance away. The irony is Carville bitched that Dean didn't "mortgage the house" (I think those were his words) to win every race everywhere...while Hillary sat on millions in cash that could have helped GOTV efforts. That one, alone, doesn't pass the smell test.

Hillary still hasn't figured out where she fits in this post 11/7 world. You can see her wheels turning here as she wants to manuever into the '08 race but can't figure out how the elections would make her electable. Carville forced a hand that she surely didn't want to play out this close to the election and surely not as publicly. Corporal Cueball's has now become poison in a party that once worshiped him.

[Cha]

26. "Corporate Cueball"..

Perfect. Cut loose.

[dogday]

12. Hard to garner any respect for either person

When we should be pulling together to get things done, these asswipes are trying to pull us apart....

[acmavm]

13. I DO NOT want Hillary to be our nominee. But who knows? Maybe

this is the truth. Why would she (and Billy) be stupid enough to want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg (Dr. Dean)?

As long as Carville goes away, now, that's the end of it for me. I think he was looking to create himself a job (head of the Democratic Party). I think he was trying to get the jump on the 2008 election (with or without Hillary's cooperation). I think he wanted to get back in the game and be a big man. He failed on all of them.

As long as the party understands Dean got us where we (and they) are and leave the man alone, I just watch the events unfold for the next two years.

This is gonna be one hell of a looooooooonnnnnnnggg campaign season.

[texpatriot2004]

16. Carville was on his own in this. It was all Carville. nm

[Tellurian]

19. I agree..Carville has his own agenda..

and is looking for employment elsewhere.

you really can't go by the opinions on this board per se..

they make up delusional fantasies connecting one person to another,
keep repeating it over and over again, until they believe the lie themselves.

then when proven wrong...call the words from the horse's mouth a Lie!

STUPID! IDIOTS!

Horse's assess the whole damn bunch of them..blech!

[cali]

22. Sorry, you're being naive here.

And it's clear you're no student of politics. Had Hillary wanted to put an end to the week of endless carville bullshit, all she had to do was issue a statement to the effect that Dean had done a good job along with Schumer and Emanuel. This is a classic weak and waffling utterance that doesn't evidently even come from the Senator. She didn't make any comment, just had spokespeople edge away from the sliming of Dean by carville.

[Tellurian]

28. Why? Are you delusional?

As far as I know, the only place a connection was made from Hillary
to Carville was HERE..on the DU board.

I haven't read it anywhere else that Carville was Hillary's man
out to diss Dean.

[cali]

30. Stuff your name calling and outrage, and try to think critically.

First off, many folks have speculated on the Carville/Hillary connection, including Robert Reich. Such speculation has not been relegated to DU.

Now ask yourself this question: Cui bono?

The truth is that it is to Hillary's benefit to have Dean out as chair of the DNC. If you can't figure out why, maybe you need to go back to politics 101.

In addition, Carville is close to the Clintons. Speculation about whether Carville is carrying water for the Clintons is perfectly legitimate.

[Tellurian]

31. You're as nutty as a fruitcake!

If you took what Reich said as fact!

Lesson my dear. If you want to know whats what, go to the source.
Hillary probably didn't even realize the degree of delusional consternation
going on here because of someone's unfounded speculative notion.

Cui Bono works some of the time...but not always. Investigation of fact is always your friend.

In this case- you're unhappy with the facts. (Fowler's direct quote)

I don't feel the need to respond to anymore of this boondoggle.

It's done!

[cali]

34. Now you're just

spewing nonsense; word salad. You need to look in the mirror for the definition of nutty.

And one more thing: Don't address me as "my dear". It's such a pathetic snark.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

36. How many other Senators commented?

Just wondering. Sometimes it's wiser to step back from a dog fight ... especially if your last name happens to be Clinton and you know you'll come under attack no matter how carefully you choose your words.

I think she remained mum on the issue hoping it would fizzle out ... but, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! It's always more fun to blame the Clintons.

Carville is a DRAMA QUEEN ... he's totally pissed off because Howard Dean had the temerity to refuse HIS call!! That's my read.

[blm]

38. That would be possible except she wasted no time in scolding Kerry for NOTHING

but a dropped pronoun, and accepting the Vast RW Conspiracy spin in order to justify her remarks.

Hardly seems a proper stance to take.

[David Zephyr]

42. You have it right, as always, cali.

The Clintons had Carville run this thing up the flag to see who would salute. When all hell broke out and fingers began pointing directly to Bill and Hillary (I was one of them, as you know), they sacrifice Carville temporarilly.

Bill tried to keep Dean from being the Chair. That's history.

How long before they try to do this again? I expect it won't be long at all.

[Beelzebud]

23. Carville is a loyal husband to Mary Matlin. He is irrelevant.

[elehhhhna]

24. Plausable deniability by the triangulating DLC Queen.

Paper ballots NOW before they shove her down our throats for '08.

NO MORE US POLITICAL DYNASTIES. PERIOD.

[cali]

25. Not particularly plausible

and note she didn't repudiate jackshit, just nameless insiders who said that "it made them uncomfortable".

[elehhhhna]

32. She ain't JACK w/o Bill, and he isn't exactly healthy...

plus I don't like that new crowd he's been hanging with.

Move on, indeed.

[bigtree]

27. we'll vote for whoever we damn well please

[elehhhhna]

33. Dont' start this again, Rahm. Take Sunday off.

:rofl:

[PassingFair]

29. What are the quotes from Brewer and Sirota doing in that article?

What a fluff piece.

DESIGNED to make it look like Hillary said something.

See any quotes from her?

If they don't want a backlash, why don't
they yank on their old dog's choke chain
and SHUT HIM UP?

[SoCalDem]

35. What else would they be expected to say? Carville is a loose cannon

no matter who his "boss" is.

Once he married Matalin, all democratic politicians should have cut him loose..

Anyhone who "hires" him, should proceed with caution

[blm]

39. Honestly, I couldn't even live with a Republican let alone sleep with them.

Especially an Iraq War Group Republican who is now a WAR CRIMINAL.

[tsuki]

40. Test the wind before you make an announcement. They sure

jumped on Kerry in a hurry, calling for an apology.

[Dr Fate]

41. I dont believe her. n/t

n/t