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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 05:50 PM
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Let's get something straight once and for all.
Over at Wikipedia under American liberalism there is this little tidbit:

In 21st century American politics, there is considerable confusion over the meaning of the term "liberal". Beginning in the early 1990s, Republicans have made a concerted effort to change the meaning of the term, by a method called "framing". <5> Instead of arguing against liberal beliefs, "framing" attempts to change the meaning of the word in the public consciousness, so that a belief in equal rights for all Americans is framed as "special rights for homosexuals", a belief in the rights of those accused of crimes is framed as "soft on crime", and a belief in freedom of religion is framed as "hatred of Christians". <6> This has been successful to such an extent that the term "liberal" has become stigmatized and is now generally avoided by those running for office; "progressive" is now often used instead of "liberal". Although the two are related, they are really distinct political ideologies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_liberalism


See, we here at DU fell for that too. It's obvious by the special interest posts: my rights matter too!

You're damn right they do.

But we let them segment us by defining the debate, by categorizing it into "special rights for homosexuals", or "pro abortion," or "moon-bat ecologists" or what have you.

That implies there are only special interests groups in the Democratic party with no underlying philosophy. Nothing to unite us. Well, let's turn that around.

There is an underlying philosophy, and it is this: liberty. Liberty is the common denominator to everything we all want, to all our special interests. There's nothing wrong with having a special interest, to be passionate about a cause, but losing sight of the foundation and letting them define what we want, what we care about, rocks the structure of any cause. So liberty is fundamental.

Liberty to love who you want, to keep control of your bodies, to live in an environment that won't kill your children; liberty to enjoy minimum health care and enough income so you or your children don't starve; the liberty of a safety net when times are bad while you get back on your feet; liberty to participate in a fair mental health system so prisons are not the only answer; liberty to strive for a good education and a good job despite race or gender or anything else discriminatory. Liberty to live.

When they say, "You have a homosexual agenda," say, "No, I love liberty." When they say, "You want to kill babies," say, "No, I just want the choice that liberty provides." When they say, "You're an environmental whacko," say, "No, I just want my children and future generations to have the liberty to enjoy life without environmental torture."

On and on, it's all about liberty, and there is a common denominator to liberty as well, and that is this: due process.

Without due process of law, we have no liberty because we have no access to the courts when our liberty is denied. This includes habeas corpus and the various appeals and writs. A right to a fair and impartial day in court is fundamental to liberty, and liberty is fundamental to everything we want, and it is fundamental to everything America stand for. That is why liberty for one is liberty for all, from the most heinous criminal to the mother who doesn't want her child to choke on the polluted air.

Yeah, we're tired of them terrorizing our liberties and we won't take it anymore.

So next time they try to define you or us, tell them you love liberty with a love that can never die. Then ask them why they hate liberty and hate America so much. Feel free to use your favorite curse words if you wish. But make it clear, they no longer define you or the Democratic party.

The Democratic party is the party of liberty.

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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 05:54 PM
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1. Well Said!
"As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality." - George Washington
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 05:58 PM
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4. Love that quote!
Never saw it before. Thanks.
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 05:54 PM
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2. NICELY SAID! And, so true.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 05:56 PM
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3. Kick for liberty. - n/t
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 07:19 PM
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5. Nice post!
:applause:
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 07:24 PM
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6. Two things happened to allow this to happen
First, the death of the Fairness Doctrine allowed assholes like Rush Limbaugh a forum to espouse their extremist views.

Second, the deregulation of the media industries have allowed companies like ClearChannel to become overly powerful. Those companies, in cahoots with people like Limbaugh, are able to do the "framing" that you write about.

We can't control the message, the message controls us.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 07:50 PM
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7. Sadly, Clinton had a hand in this. And he regrets it.
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 08:02 PM
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8. Yep, it was one of the low marks of his presidency
I'm crossing my fingers that this Democratic Congress can turn some of this around.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 08:51 PM
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10. How so? I didn't know that.
You mean by compromising too much?
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 08:50 PM
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9. Agree 100%
Edited on Thu Nov-16-06 08:50 PM by madmusic
They want the liberty to mind control. The want elitist liberty and repression of everyone else. O'Liely sits in his ivory tower and claims to be a common man. He's calls us stupid every night. Every single night.

Maybe 1984 is their new Bible.
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Blackthorn Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 08:57 PM
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11. The Fairness Doctrine does not apply to punditry. n/t
You can't force private companies to employ a liberal broadcaster solely to counter a conservative broadcaster.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-16-06 11:40 PM
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12. What did the Fairness Doctrine do and why does the Right fear it?
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Blackthorn Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:19 AM
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15. In short...
"The Fairness Doctrine is a former policy of the United States's Federal Communications Commission. It required broadcast licensees to present controversial issues of public importance, and to present such issues in an honest, equal and balanced manner."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine

Under that definition my above post is not entirely correct. I took the FD as a strictly political thing that basically meant if you give airtime to Candidate X, you must give equal time to Candidate Y.
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:00 AM
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13. Great post! K&R!! n/t
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flying_monkeys Donating Member (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 12:03 AM
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14. So go add to the definition there :)
You have the power - - go edit to reflect what Liberal really means :)
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The_Mule Donating Member (264 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 11:43 AM
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16. Very good post!
Liberty is indeed the unifying theme of all the Democratic/Progressive/Liberal policies.

For me personally, I would add that while I value Liberty, I am not a Libertarian. My teenage son asked me during the midterms what Democrats stood for, and I said "Personal freedoms and liberty". He asked why I was not a Libertarian, then. I replied that I cared too much for other people to be Libertarian. I gave the example that I'm okay with paying taxes if the money is used to take care of all of us, give some more opportunities to those without opportunities, and *gasp* help redistribute wealth more fairly. I told him about my high school Civics teacher, who claimed to be Libertarian, telling me that the wealthy should not be taxed because they "worked hard for their money". He said the same thing I thought at his age - how can a person get rich entirely due to their own actions?

No offense to the progressive Libertarians out there - it's just not my cup of tea.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-17-06 02:03 PM
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17. Thanks for all the votes and comments!
It was one of those spur of the moment from the heart things. And it seemed likely liberty was the common dominator underlying almost every post here.

It would be fun to hear what your "special interest" is and how it is related to liberty.

Fire away if you want.
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