I have heard enough about the Michael Moore thing.

[The Witch]

You want me to post? Fine, I'm posting.

Please let this die off, guys. I'm asking you nicely. It is not important. Look, you're either posting because you want to plead my case or because you want to defend Moore and think I'm trying to stir something up that isn't there. Either way, calling more attention to it doesn't help you one bit.

So if you want to kick and rec a thread, kick this one.

I am done with this whole thing. Forget about it. It's a NON-ISSUE.

We're in a stupid war, you know?

[CatWoman]

1. you go, girl

:hi:

:)

[MADem]

2. Jesus, what Michael Moore thing? Everyone lately is crying about Murtha-Hoyer!!!

That so far has been the whine of a thousand threads....

[4morewars]

4. What about Carville ?

Oh, wait, that was yesterday !

:hi:

[MADem]

6. Heh, heh....and even he was a sorry piker compared to the Murtha-Hoyer thing!!

There were as many threads on that as there were on Kerry's botched Bush joke!!!

[Seabiscuit]

108. I wanna hear more about Tom Cruise!!!

:spray:

[annabanana]

3. Hi ya witchie!

I'm with you!

[4morewars]

5. Good for you TW !

Maybe we can go after MM after we end the war ? (jk)

:hug: :yourock:

[BuyingThyme]

7. Wrong answer.

There needs to be at least as much discussion in debunking the plagiarism charge as there was in making it.

[The Witch]

8. There is no charge. There was only a discussion.

Unless your goal is to trash me, in which case, well, I can't stop you, but hey-- what will it get you?

[BuyingThyme]

9. Call the charges what you want, and paint yourself as my victim,

but everybody will still know what happened.

[rinsd]

59. Here's what happened

DUers started a thread stating that Moore's letter was similar to Witch's post.

She showed up on the threadf and was surpsied at what people were saying

DUers continued to pester her.

She posted another thread laying both her piece and Moore for comparison. Asking for advice, always respectful of Moore.

Witch has merely been asking questions. Your attacks on her are unecessary.

[BuyingThyme]

71. What attacks?

[rinsd]

103. Ummmmm

"There needs to be at least as much discussion in debunking the plagiarism charge as there was in making it."

And this on a thread where Witch is asking people to drop it.

"all the charges what you want, and paint yourself as my victim,but everybody will still know what happened."

Witch wasn't responsible for the frenzy and here she is trying to make it stop and you now want reprisal.

[comsymp]

104. That's an ATTACK!?!

Methinks you're reading way, waaaayy too much into BT's comments. Not only is he not attacking Witch, he isn't even coming close to attempting any kind of "reprisal."

And for the record, he's right. Just dropping it is no longer an option, as MM The Plagiarist has now become a RW meme ( http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2420006">f'rinstance )... which means that Witch, with the best intentions possible, can't "make it stop".

[Paladin]

67. Back The Hell Off

This entire incident was propelled by DUers with grudges against Michael Moore. Witch's conduct was exemplary.

[BuyingThyme]

73. You back the hell off. Your conduct is far from exemplary.

[Pithlet]

13. To be fair, you didn't specifically make the charge

but, a lot of people jumped to that conclusion. And that is what ruffled a lot of feathers. I do hope this issue dies down quickly for your sake.

[RandiFan1290]

15. Actually, yes she did

It is right here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2733514#2735148

Mike deserves an apology.

[Pithlet]

16. Oh

Well, never mind on that particular point.

[The Witch]

52. I said I had a suspicion. I also have a suspicion OJ did it and Bush LIHOP.

They're not making a stink at me... so why are you?

[Pithlet]

54. Did you mean to reply to me?

Because I don't see how I'm making a stink at you.

[rinsd]

60. Uh big fat bullshit

This is what Witch said

Just in case anyone wants to do any comparison. I am really torn as to what to do. Quite frankly, if he were to just say "I saw this list on the Web and thought I'd flesh it out a bit, thanks Witch," that'd finish the whole thing for me... but ... as it is, I'm just... nervous.

(No, I have no interest in trying to squeeze money from Moore.)
Advice?

Charge? Hardly.

[Pithlet]

63. That's not the whole post.

This is the part that looks like she's making the charge. And before anyone thinks I'm giving her crap, I'm not saying I blame her. If I thought someone had ripped me off, I'd do the same thing. This is just to clarify that it does appear as though the charge was indeed made.

44. I've been plagiarized on the Net before.

Last time, it was a 60-page story that took me a year to write.

This time, it was something that took me five minutes.

[rinsd]

102. Way down thread, after much cajoling by the group that she had been ripped off

Charge made, hardly.

[Pithlet]

109. So, that would totally matter to you, if you were the one being accused.

Whether it was made initially, or after 200 posts, the charge was indeed made. If she thinks she was mistaken, big deal or not, she should still retract, unless she's still fighting Michael Moore on this.
I honestly don't care one way or the other, I was just misunderstood and thought she hadn't made the accusation, and someone corrected me.

[SmokingJacket]

57. the only person who can "debunk" it is Moore, and he's not posting here.

I don't think -- but who knows! Maybe underpants is Michael Moore. Ya never know!

[BuyingThyme]

69. It's being debunked right here.

As it turns out, Moore wrote this theme (about a pledge to conservatives) back in 2004, and used it in a speech. The transcripts, text and video, are incomplete.

[Buzz Clik]

86. It may be of some interest to you ...

The improbability of "plagiarism" or copyright infractions was discussed at some length http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2718168">here, post 46.

The fact that Moore had taken this approach before was addressed in another thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2716486#2717279">click here, post 47

Granted, the feeding frenzy was on the other side, but some of us had serious doubts.

[foo_bar]

87. 10/20/2004

Predicting a switch of White House control, Moore said to Republicans, "we will never treat you the way you've treated minorities." He outlined his pledge to Republicans further: "When we achieve health care coverage for all Americans, we will include you. We will cover you when we raise the minimum wage," he said. "We will even let you marry each other," Moore said, in an obvious nod to GOP opposition to gay marriage. "When we bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will bring your sons and daughters home."

http://www.netxnews.net/vnews/display.v/ART/2004/10/24/417d3d0eb7a18?in_archive=1

We will let you marry whomever you want, even when some of us consider your behavior to be "different" or "immoral."
Me: We will never try to force you to change your religion, sexual orientation, or first language.
(...)
Moore: When we soon bring our sons and daughters home from Iraq, we will bring your sons and daughters home, too. They deserve to live. We promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or a lie.
Me: We will never waste your lives for power.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2716486

[Straight Shooter]

10. I thought what you wrote was very nice.

I didn't agree with a lot of it because I know conservatives tend to bite the hand that reaches out to them.

As far as the MM/plagiarism thingie, I hadn't read any of those threads until this morning because I've been busy with, uh, more important things. Like Hoyer/Murtha. Like Dodd and the MCA. I came to this thread because you requested people on another thread to read it so the issue could be put to rest. I only read that other thread because I kept seeing so many threads on the issue, I figured it *must* be important.

What did I find? A tempest in a teapot.

Hang in there. This, too, shall pass.

:thumbsup:

[RobertSeattle]

11. You forgot Poland

:evilgrin:

[hwmnbn]

12. You're one of the.....

coolest witches I know!!:thumbsup:

[johnfunk]

14. The Witch and Michael Moore -- Two Progressives I Like! Michelle "Malkin",...

... on the other hand, is a dissembling, deceptive little turd if there ever was one.

Memo to Michelle "Malkin" Maglalang, who has such respect for the institution of marriage that she copyrights her work under her maiden name (and wouldn't we like to see the details of that prenup!):

[liberalsoldier5]

17. Michael Moore? Can't stand him.

Nor can I forgive him for his role in helping George Bush get reelected in 2004. Don't get me wrong, Moore is a an extremely artistic and creative guy who knows how to grab and maintain people's uninterupted attention. I just think it's a shame that he used his gift to make a film like FH 9/11. Rather than make a film that would've truly convinced people and showed them why we needed a change of direction in '04, he made a movie that in my opinion just smeared the hell out of BushCo. I know many people who saw it and felt like they were being fed a deeply spun story- spun to the left, of course, but still spun and contrived. That's kind of how I felt. It gave conservatives someting to rally around and repelled moderates who might have voted Kerry over Dumbya. Plus, countless people who were interviewed for the movie have since come out and said that MM painted them wrongly and is full of shit. Hell, even the limbless soldier filed suit against Moore! He's marginalized himself, in my opinion, and that's a good thing. It's time we find a new, honest spokesperson- there's plenty of better ones out there.

[Bluebear]

18. You're liberal & thought F911 "spun to the left"?

Which "countless people" have since come out and said MM painted them wrongly? Thanks.

[Gelliebeans]

20. hey blue

seems you and I were along the same line of thinking :hi:

[Bluebear]

21. Absolutely my sister!

:hi:

[Gelliebeans]

19. please site the countless people

that came out who were interviewed for the movie and MM painted them wrongly because I only recall pigboy limbaugh and his cohorts making that accusation. :shrug:

[liberalsoldier5]

26. No problem

People who have stated that they were misrepresented include: the armless veteran (filed suit), the border security officer, the fallen soldier's mother, father and family, and others I can't recall off the top of my head.

As for my "spun to left" comment, I stand by it. All I was trying to say was that it was VERY one-sided and thus less convincing. Most people who went to see the movie knew about Saddam's chemical attacks on the Kurds, the mass graves, the gestapo-like police, etc. and because Moore didn't mention ANY of that stuff, it was hard to take the film real seriously. I and a lot of my friends were looking for a FULL account of the situation regarding Iraq, etc. and we felt like we wasted our money. Seeing all of those quotes of BushCo taken out of context (which, face it, they were) made me feel like Moore thought we were all idiots who would swallow whatever he showed us. As I have said, it was an entertaining as hell movie. I liked it. But for a film that could have swayed an important election, it deeply dissapointed.

[Gelliebeans]

28. I can't speak for others

but I was looking for a link citing your references ie. newspaper, court papers, news websites. I merely stated that the only people that were making those claims were the right wing hacks and they had/have very little merit in my eyes. People on the right famously make the claims by just repeating falsehoods over and over and then eventually louder and louder without any cited reference that can be vetted.

[Individualist]

32. "off the top of my head"

Sounds more like you pulled those out of your...

What are the sources of your "information"? Limbaugh? Fox? If you don't have links providing confirmation of what you say are facts, your "information" is worthless.

[Gelliebeans]

34. You were more the point than me

sometimes gellie gets a bit long winded. :blush:

[trumad]

36. Let's see some links pal....

[liberalsoldier5]

43. Just google "Specialist Peter Damon"

[Gelliebeans]

47. The point is

"YOU" were making the accusations therefore "YOU" need to provide the links.
I have been quite polite about asking for you to cite the necessary links and you have yet to provide those citations.

[Individualist]

61. Exactly.

[Minnesota_Lib]

76. Here is one link about Sgt. Damon, who claims Moore misrepresented his views

Sgt. Peter Damon stood with Senator Edward Kennedy while the Senator delivered an anti-war/anti-Bush speech.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/14/kennedy.iraq/

So first he makes statements to Moore on film, then stands with Kennedy while Kennedy denounces the war....and then later he pops up with a right-wing activist attorney, Dennis Lynch, who has ties to Richard Melon "The Arkansas Project" Scaife and files suit for 75 million claiming his F-911 statements were misrepresented.

I guess some people will do anything for the promise of untold wealth.

[paulk]

107. here's one

http://tailrank.com/posts/562949953626199/GI'S_BIG_FAT_SUIT_VS._MOORE

this lawsuit has actually been all over the web, as this link demonstrates.


------------------------


ps. it's possible to be a liberal and not think much of Michael Moore.

[Gelliebeans]

111. We already discussed that

down the thread...but thanks for playing :hi:

[paulk]

112. oh, I'd hardly call what went on here

a "discussion".

[Gelliebeans]

113. Ok let me walk you through it then

I asked for the poster to present links to news, court papers or other relevant articles documenting his claim that COUNTLESS people came out after F911 saying they were severly misquoted and misrepresented by MM. I got this reply

<snip>
People who have stated that they were misrepresented include: the armless veteran (filed suit), the border security officer, the fallen soldier's mother, father and family, and others I can't recall off the top of my head.
<end>

No where in that post above is a link for the security officer or the fallen soldiers family (not sure if the poster was claiming Lila Lipscomb as soldiers family)

Instead I was told to google Sgt. Peter Damon

To which another poster pointed out that Peter Damon was being represented by Dennis Lynch (Melon Scaife tie)
AGAIN, there is no mention of the countless people that were misquoted unless you can confuse "one" (with an iffy attorney connection at best) with "countless"

My reply was polite in that I again requested that the poster provide links for his citation because he was the one making the claim.

I then received your reply about the same lawsuit (Sgt. Peter Damon) that we were discussing and a link of the same story. You did not provide additional information you simply addressed the same lawsuit with additional links.

To add I never said either way that I was for or against MM in fact the only thing I am defending is that if you make a claim on DU be prepared to back it up. Newsmax and hannity/limbaugh websites don't count.

Thanks for replying :hi:

[paulk]

114. at the time I made my first post

I didn't realize that someone had already put up the same info. I thought the claims made were... interesting, so I researched it and found that someone had indeed filed a lawsuit.

As for my "discussion" remark, I wasn't specifically refering to you, but to several other posters downthread, who have since had their posts deleted.

[Gelliebeans]

115. hey no probs

I was trying to get to the bottom of this from the beginning and I feel that if someone wants to make any claim that is other than a personal opinion I think they need to back that up.

The only reason that someone would avoid posting links is that they posted something unsubstantiated off the top of their head :eyes: (referring to original poster) or they are hoping to set a thread on fire in a lame attempt to divide our community.
Either way I call em like I see um ;)

[RandiFan1290]

94. "the fallen soldier's mother, father and family"

Do you mean Lila Lipscomb? I would really like to hear more about that. Please explain.

[grizmaster]

97. Face it pal- bush lied people died

[elehhhhna]

110. WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT you've posted there.

WOW.

[Dr Fate]

22. ...

n/t

[Dr Fate]

23. Must be true- b/c this what everyone on FOX news & talk radio says too. n/t

n/t

[Shakespeare]

25. Wow, what complete and utter bullshit. n/t

[liberalsoldier5]

27. What?

The not-so pleasant truth about Michael Moore? All anti-bullshit liberals (like myself) are able to call Moore out on his faults. If you're still really kissing his sweaty shoes, then its time to put the damn Kool-aid down.

[BuyingThyme]

29. You can't call Kool-Aid after invoking the Kurds.

It's what's known as a tell.

[liberalsoldier5]

37. What's that supposed to mean?

Between 86-88 Saddam lauched chemical attacks on the Kurdish people. 180,000 were killed and buried in mass graves. That's the type of shit you can't deny without killing your credibility. You'd put yourself in the same league a filthy Holocaust denier. HOPEFULLY that's not what you were hinting at. No liberal should excuse or deny ANYBODY's attrocities.

[Gelliebeans]

40. Who put Saddam in power?

[BuyingThyme]

45. The Kurd issue was created for Kool-Aid drinkers.

It only resonates with people who are too lazy to learn the truth.

The truth is that the Bushes (including Rumsfeld) went to great lengths to assure that Hussein's gassing of the Kurds would go unnoticed. They approved, if not participated.

So, when these same morons needed an excuse to murder thousands of innocent people in Iraq, they used their once non-issue to convince simple people to support "war."

It shows how desperate they were to murder and steal.

[MrScorpio]

49. Dude, don't shoot off your mouth unless you're loaded with the right ammo

Between 86-88, Saddam was on Ronny Raygun's payroll.

We, The US, have a pretty bad history of manipulating the Kurd issue... Nixon did it too

At that time, he was a sumbitch, but he was OUR sumbitch

Decrying his actions without condemning US complicity is poor form

Read the history

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[liberalsoldier5]

58. Wow...

how pathetic. You and 'Trumad' really know how to debate and be civil. :eyes: I offer a minor critique of Michael Moore and call Saddam out on his evil without invoking the country I served for and what do I get? Threatened. It's good to know that dissent is welcome on DU. :sarcasm:



And for the record, I'm not a fan of Rush or Fox News. As I said, I'm an anti-bullshit liberal. I see BS whereever it may lie. That's why I really am I big fan of this place.:patriot:

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[liberalsoldier5]

66. Not every liberal

enjoyed the film or thinks like you do. Michael Moore is NOT flawless. I personally can't stand him- he makes us look very bad. Thanks for the welcome, now let's just agree to disagree.:)

[Shakespeare]

75. Every liberal I know greeted the film with happiness and RELIEF.

RELIEF that the real story was finally being told--the story that the networks deliberately ignored for the last five years. I interact with LOTS and LOTS of liberals, and you're the first alleged liberal I've encountered who's chosen to spew Hannity's bullshit comments. Huh. Interesting.

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[DemonFighterLives]

116. Good luck with your studies.

You are totally wrong on Michael Moore!
:rofl:

[trumad]

65. I see BS whereever it may lie?

Well it lie where you sit.

[liberalsoldier5]

70. Well, at least you're not

flinging childish threats at me any more. I'm just sorry you can't accept any criticism of Michael Moore. Nobody is perfect. I suggest using the tinfoil on your head for something else.

[omega minimo]

48. Klassick NameNumber (No) Profile BS

:evilfrown:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

31. I'm sure as a life-long democrat...

that you're very concerned about Michael Moore.

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[TahitiNut]

46. I'll just bet you have some interesting views of Paul Wellstone's funeral, too.

:shrug:

[Dr Fate]

68. LOL!!! Best reply so far. n/t

n/t

[The Count]

100. Snap! Had I read yours, I wouldn't have bothered with mine!

[txindy]

56. How peculiar, esp. because a lot of what was in 'F 9/11' is in Woodward's 'State of Denial'

Fascinating back-up, I thought, particularly since it's made a lot of people I know watch 'Fahrenheit 9/11' for the very first time. They're as angry at Junior and his cabal now as I was when I first saw the film. The book provided that corroboration at just the right time, too - mere weeks before the election. This month, some of them voted Dem (ALL Dem, too) for the first time ever, while the others refused to vote, at all (recovering repub syndrome, it seems).

'State of Denial'. Apparently, it's not just a title.

[Minnesota_Lib]

74. That lawsuit is BS.....

After F-911, that same soldier, Sgt. Peter Damon, stood with Senator Edward Kennedy while the Senator delivered an anti-war/anti-Bush speech. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/14/kennedy.iraq/

So why the lawsuit? I did a bit of research back when the lawsuit story broke and found that the attorney representing Damon in the suit, Dennis Lynch, has ties to many right-wing organizations and activists who are funded by Richard Melon Scaife.

Read into that what you want, but what I read is that Damon could have been offered a big monetary return (from a lawsuit) if he played along and assisted them in smearing and hopefully ruining Moore. This is Scafie's M.O. (remember the Arkansas Project?).

[liberalsoldier5]

79. Just for the record...

Peter Damon also appeared in FahrenHYPE 9/11 and denounced his appearance in Moore's movie. Just because we may not want to believe certain things (like this one) does not make them untrue.

[grizmaster]

96. F9/11 was a completely accurate portrayal of the bush junta

and the lies they were selling to America.

Got any proof to the contrary?

[The Count]

99. FH911 smeared the hell out of BushCo? Which part was the smear?

The Saudis friendships? The 7 minutes FREEZE ON 9/11? Which FACTS ON FILM the liberal little you considers smear?
As for the limbless soldier - he was a con-artist - widely debunked here on DU and elsewhere.
Oh, and one more thing, my "liberal" friend:

KERRY WON!

Very slick though, bringing up Nader and using "lingo" such as Dumya...Need work on the definition of slander and history of election fraud...

[Dr Fate]

24. You have a great attitude about this- thank you. n/t

n/t

[RagingInMiami]

30. What's happened, were you dating Michael Moore?

[The Witch]

51. You got me. Don't tell my fiance.

;)

[donheld]

33. What are you talking about?

:shrug:

[Quixote1818]

80. Michael Moore's recent letter looked just like a post by "The Witch"

They posted Moore's letter and the post by "The Witch" and it did look like Michael Moore stole most of his letter from her post. They were nearly identical but Moore changed enough that you couldn't really call it plagiarism. Moore probably should have given credit to that post but he didn't.

[ConsAreLiars]

85. Of course, the fact that Moore has been doing this kind of schtick since at least 2000

(at a Town Hall book promo I attended) and the fact that he does the same sort of thing in a filmed presentation in 2004, doesn't seem to penetrate the closed minds of those who try to fabricate charges of plagiarism against him. Instead, the insular members of this forum seem to think that if they (innocently, I assume -- the ideas have now become commonplace) repeat the words of someone like Moore, then discover a later variant of Moore's words online, that they have been copied.

It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

[Dorian Gray]

39. Since the allegations

were about your work, I think everyone should respect your desire to not do anything about the problem.

[Horse with no Name]

41. You know what Witch

You wrote a beautiful essay.
He wrote a beautiful essay.
They summed up common feelings that many of us have had.
I would suggest you send Skinner an email to send your post to the dungeon and bury it where it can't be crossposted across the internets.
I would then send MM an email and apologize for any bad press you might have caused him.
I am sure you aren't the only one that writes on blogs who has learned a valuable lesson from your experience.
Good luck and keep up the good work and good writing!:hug:

[The Witch]

53. That's the best idea I've heard all day.

Hey Skinner, you listening?

[Kazak]

42. Huh?

I'm so lost... :shrug:

[Quixote1818]

81. See my post #80

Sorry I don't have a link. If you scroll back enough you will find a poll on the subject.

[Catchawave]

50. I still like you better than Michael Moore....

In my mind, I know your blog (anyone's blog!) was fair game to one of his lazy staffers, we see that happen every day in the MSM....:hug:

I believe we need to pick our battles on DU, I choose not to go after Michael Moore/give Michele Malkin publicity <--- because I agree with the message from both Mikey and The Witch. Who wins? The Rovians :banghead:

:toast: to Sept '05's Peace Rally DU Spirit Sign :patriot:

[Bjorn Against]

55. Thank you Witch, that is a very honorable post

Yes it is time to move on, I honestly don't believe anyone plagiarized anyone else but rather the whole thing was a somewhat freaky coincidence. The fact is Michael Moore has expressed similar sentiments in the past, although when he repeated them he did so in a way that sounded very close to what you wrote.

That was certainly quite a coincidence, but proving plagiarism would be impossible and bringing such accusations forward would only divide us.

Thank you for taking the honorable route, you have come out of this looking really good and I have gained a great deal of respect for you.

[progressoid]

64. Hey knock it off people, I'm trying to get the latest on the

Tom Cruise/Katie Holmes wedding.

[AIJ Alom]

72. Witch. Thanks for setting things straight. A thanks for keeping

some us distracted from the Hoyer-Murtha nonsense the media is trying to create.

[philly_bob]

77. Wise move, Witch! /nt

[StrictlyRockers]

82. Right on, Witch. You fly high, woman!

[Buzz Clik]

83. Excellent move, Witch.

:thumbsup:

[uppityperson]

84. k&r and thanks for posting this

I found a new "friend" here.

[ConsAreLiars]

88. No one asked you to post another thread, other than an apology.

The fact is that you created a thread with similarities between what you and Moore had written and then asked/implied that he copied you (rather than the reverse) This resulted in bringing out a lot of Moore-bashers like Malkin and others here on DU. It also brought out the fact that Moore has been saying this same sort of thing for years, and his most recent variant was obviously a continuation of a theme that he has been developing for many years. I assume that you have at least watched the 2004 video.

Instead of apologizing, you just want to disclaim all responsibility for your many threads on this same theme. Apart from the egocentrism ("I posted something like a famous person did, therefore he is copying me"), you refuse to acknowledge that the record absolutely refutes your allegations, insinuations, hints or claims of plagiarism by Moore. Apart from the extraordinary hubris of such a belief, you also refuse to acknowledge or take responsibility for the trashing of Moore that followed your false charges against him.

If that was your goal, say so and be happy and proud. If not, say so and admit your error. But don't believe that you can disclaim responsibility for your words by simply saying "I am done with this."

[StrictlyRockers]

90. Leave Witchy alone. I think she had a legitimate right to inquire further.

I would have jumped to the same conclusions. You might have too in a similar situation.

[ConsAreLiars]

91. Claiming that Moore plagiarized my words when I repeated his?

I doubt that. Such vanity and egocentrism is a rare pathology - well not rare enough - but I don't think I would be so self-deluded to believe that.

[provis99]

89. is there any relevant point to any of the postings here?

seems like a lot of 3am ranting about a non-topic, who cares sort of issue. The only thing that catches my attention is liberalsoldier's postings. I have a question for this person. What liberal positions do you actually have? All I know so far is that you think Michael Moore is bullshit. Well, pony up!

[Gelliebeans]

92. I am still waiting for

links to citations other than right wing sources, I asked for up-thread and so far...nada.

[Danger Mouse]

93. Michael Moore is an...

arrogant asshole. That being said, I like his movies (for the most part). But he is an insufferable prick.

[exlrrp]

95. took the words right out of my mouth

"But he is an insufferable prick."
Truer words never spoken. F911 would hae been much better without all the BS

[The Count]

101. Which BS whould that have been? Pray, elaborate.

[catrose]

98. I liked yours better n/t

[EFerrari]

105. I think you're right, The Witch. Let's keep moving.

:)

[Canuckistanian]

106. It's not like this was a major copyright battle

Nobody's getting rich off this writing, not even MM.

And I congratulate you for your sense of fair play and refusing to make an issue out of this.

:toast: