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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 04:34 AM Original message |
Freedom, Capitalism, and Work |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 04:41 AM Response to Original message |
1. Kick - will reply tomorrow |
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liberaldemocrat7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. I believe in work, capitalism, and freedom. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. But... that is the very basis for the whole system. |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 05:03 AM Response to Original message |
2. Nicely done! And welcome to DU! |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 05:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Thanks, and I fully expect it. |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Hi Naturyl!! |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 05:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. kicked and recommended . . . thanx . . . n/t |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 06:23 AM Response to Original message |
5. Ok, I read the essay over my morning cup of coffee. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:00 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Thank you, you clearly understand it |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
6. 2 things on that essay |
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rhino47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 06:45 AM Response to Original message |
7. K&R |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 07:51 AM Response to Original message |
10. Spot on |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
15. Thx, and that would be fine (n/t) |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
11. You fail to distinguish between the limits of nature and the limits of society... |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:13 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. It's definitely not possible for all to quit work |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #11 |
18. most of the goods and services we now enjoy |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. That experiment was tried during much of the 20th century. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. The soviet union was no experiment at all in a viable alternative |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. It's far from clear that there is any "viable alternative." |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Economic humanism is a viable alternative |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:22 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Well, see. That sounds liberal, not socialist. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. It is liberal, but on the highly progressive side |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. But capital in the Soviet Union was privately owned |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 06:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Do we need to get into what constitutes the state? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 08:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. The fact that millions were members of the Party was meaningless |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I understand the difference between Bakunin and Marx. There are two issues... |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. I general, I believe a state organ is necessary to a certain degree |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. The countries you mentioned Eallen may have suffered |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. Technology is often fueled by government innovation |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. Government does indeed fund a lot of basic research. HOWEVER... |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Fair enough |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:54 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. So-called communist USSR was in fact state-capitalism - |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #20 |
41. The USSR was State Capitalist, not Socialist. |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 06:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. See my responses above. BTW, how do you have a market without an investor class? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. There are tons of socialist writings on that subject. |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Just the opposite: I think that a broad variety of mechanisms are needed. |
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fasttense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Good point Rman |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 09:42 AM Response to Original message |
12. Brilliant K&R |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:35 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Good post, but I don't think it will collapse |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
16. I don't disagree with you. |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
19. Thanks for your essay. One thought I have is that |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
23. Welcome to DU. |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
29. from a (former) worker |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
39. Ha that's good |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
31. Excellent, K & R and a most hearty welcome to DU. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. Absolutely. Good point. |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
33. Bravo |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 02:09 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Yes, and I think he was right. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. The Leninist wacko types really gave Marx a bad name. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
50. Friday kick, because this is just that good. |
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