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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:04 AM
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"Should the Dems act with bipartisanship?" Washington Journal question
WTF kind of ridiculous setup question is that?

It is so biased in its construction.
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flobee1 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:05 AM
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1. Dems should be
as bi-partisan as the repukes have been for the past 6 years
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 08:39 AM
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13. The question should be "Should Dems be more or less bi-partisan than the Republicans have been?"
...and I'd LOVE to hear a caller from Alabama call up (golly, wonder what THEY'RE going to say?) suggest that the Republicans have been bi-partisan...
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:07 AM
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2. Let's keep our own party together
and let the fascists twist in the wind.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:08 AM
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3. LOL Steve just read an article that Rove now attributes GOP losses
to "bad luck." Now that's scientific.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:15 AM
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4. Yes they should because I think the zealots are not what makes
up this country. We have to chew up the edges that want to do all these crazy things. Course one has to say that 'crazy things' has no set meaning. I do not mind hearing the zealots I just do not want them to run the country. If they think up something that could be used by all means use it. One has to remember the Billy Michell was said to have been a zealot. I am thinking of zealots more in the Waco type and taking over the world.
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:17 AM
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5. Once again, the demos are on the defense, instead of asking if Bush will act...
in a logical, clear, bi-partisan manner.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:58 AM
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25. Bush will say anything. We have a history or what he will do.
I am sure he will not work with the Dem. only to what will make himself look good. Congress will act in its best interest. Getting rid of DOD a day after the vote shows what GOP Congress can look forward to. It is the WH that counts with Bush and the use of Congress I think to make himself look good. I am sure Baker is in to get Bush out of trouble. Father has stepped in.
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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:22 AM
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6. Olive branch extended in one hand . . .
Edited on Sun Nov-12-06 07:22 AM by ewoden
Sword of oversight and impeachment in the other, just in case.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:31 AM
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7. NO, bipartisanship is the Guise of corporation ,Which got us in iraq
Our system depends on opposition hashing it out in a clear way SO WE can Decide through ,not From our Government ,like issues such as IMPEACHMENT!
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justgamma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:38 AM
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8. Question about the WSJ?
I'm babysitting so this is only the 2nd time, I've gotten to see this show.

My question is were the Pukes that are calling for bipartionship, calling for it before the election? (ok that was a dumb question)

Also, he announces the callers from the Puke lines, but I haven't heard him say a Dem has called.
Is this the standard on this show?
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:44 AM
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9. Money grubbers will ignore this victory ,at all cost. The 1% will have
to share that 20% of the countries wealth.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:53 AM
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10. Yuh. Let's listen to corrupt, incompetent people with dumb ideas
and no talent, and then do what they want us to do.

That makes sense.

Not.

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:54 AM
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11. Denial Game Day 4
Listening to these asshats, the Repugnicans feel they didn't lose the election...it's the people were too stupid...the "just didn't get it". They lost and lost big...got wiped out...not only did the Democrats win both houses (that no one would dare predict a year ago), they didn't lose a seat and came close in many other races. Bi-partisan? Crimeafuckin' River!

Welcome to the typical Repugnican/corporate media spin game. No sooner did the Democrats win then the memes are that they have to make nice to the people who shut them out, beat them down, intimidated them and made this country a mess. That's not what I voted for, nor a majority here nor a majority that voted last Tuesday. If this country wanted Repugnican style government (also known as crony capitalism) then they would have won. Time now to clean up.

These bastards are scared of Henry Waxman...the man who will drag lots of skeletons out of the closet and expose corruption on a level that will shake a lot of people. We'll learn about the billions that went direct to Halliburton that disappeared into rat holes and into Chenney's pocket. We'll learn how the "energy task force" codified $3 a gallon gas. We'll see that big Pharma is making billions off the suffering of our sick and the Insurance companies are playing god. As he said the other day, it's not what to investigate, it's where to start.

For the next two years, I will have zero tolerance for those who bend over backwards to appease the bullies. Should Democrats work with Repugnicans? How about the other way around? Who on their side will join us in fixing medicare or rising the minimum wage or pushing for alternative fuel development or restoring veterans benefits. Who will step up on their side for the good of ALL Americans, not the special interests.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 08:05 AM
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12. I think they should
but to repubs that means going along with everything Bush wants..so no matter what they say we are not willing to work with them.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 08:42 AM
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14. This Dem is not in the mood for getting along.
These mf'ers called me and all anti-Iraq-war liberals traitors!

That is their idea of bipartisanship. They did nothing for the People when they had total control so now, AFAIC, they can STFU.

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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:09 AM
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15. its a stupid question. the dems are concensus builders by nature.
they will not put the boot to the republican necks in retribution.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:12 AM
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16. They must, but not on George Bush's terms.
George Bush seems to believe that he can say conciliatory words
while still persuing the same policies as always. Congress
should stand up to him as an equal branch of government.

However, Democrats have to govern, make laws, and get things done.
They will need to reach out to moderate Republicans and Pres. Bush
to do that. The Republicans-only approach to lawmaking was a
disaster which Democrats should not emulate.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:13 AM
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17. In a just world, none. IMO bi-partisanship was forfeited
by the republicans.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:28 AM
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18. When politicians start making deals, the populace suffers.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:44 AM
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20. BINGO - This nation has been suffering from Dems' coverup policies since 1993
rom Robert Parry, Nov12,2006: Democrats, The Truth STILL Matters!

Mr. Parry is allowing this article to be reprinted in full - you may also repost at other forums you visit or on your sites. It is THAT important to help citizens to understand what the stakes are in all of this.

This is not about arguing for impeachment - it's about getting the truth out so events like a Bush presidency, 9-11 and Iraq war can NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.


Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

Editor's Note: With the Democratic victories in the House and Senate, there is finally the opportunity to demand answers from the Bush administration about important questions, ranging from Dick Cheney's secret energy policies to George W. Bush's Iraq War deceptions. But the Democrats are sure to be tempted to put the goal of "bipartisanship" ahead of the imperative for truth.

Democrats, being Democrats, always want to put governance, such as enacting legislation and building coalitions, ahead of oversight, which often involves confrontation and hard feelings. Democrats have a difficult time understanding why facts about past events matter when there are problems in the present and challenges in the future.

Given that proclivity, we are re-posting a story from last May that examined why President Bill Clinton and the last Democratic congressional majority (in 1993-94) shied away from a fight over key historical scandals from the Reagan-Bush-I years -- and the high price the Democrats paid for that decision:

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.'
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:22 AM
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24. Great story! This needs to get out. Thanks.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 07:35 PM
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27. Spread it everywhere. Parry has permitted this article to be posted in FULL.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:31 AM
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19. I don't think we should have to call the police like they did, but
force them into the basement.
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:46 AM
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21. Simple answer
The Democrats should set the agenda and the Republicans can act in a bi-partisan manner or they can be obstructionists...
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 09:50 AM
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22. Yeah, Bush's version of bipartisanship will do fine.
The D's should get to work and any R's that want to come along on our plan are welcome. Any that aren't with the program are welcome to move along. When the whining from the right starts up about not being included all we have to do is blanket the airwaves that so and so right wing politician really just needs to get the message that America doesn't want to stay the course, they want a change.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 10:12 AM
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23. I find this talk of "bipartisanship" somewhat insulting. They accused us of being nazi appeasers,
of emboldening terrorists, of being unpatriotic, and of not wanting to fight terrorism. Now they expect us all to fall over ourselves to act in a bipartisan manner?

What these republican shill hosts should be asking is if republicans are able to work with democrats in a bipartisan manner since they have made it clear they felt democrats are an enemy that will get us killed.
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The Gunslinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 11:06 AM
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26. Exactly
THe Democrats control Congress but it seems that they are kissing up to the Bush administration, and they dont have to. Especially when it comes to the idea that impeachment is off the table.....
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