Another DLC'er warns of Democratic "extremists".

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

Yep. Now that we've won, let's start acting like the guys we beat.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20061110-091439-3596r

Top Indiana Democrat issues warning

WASHINGTON, Nov. 10 (UPI) -- Sen. Evan Bayh, a veteran Indiana Democrat, said Tuesday's election was a vote against the status quo and not an affirmation of his party's agenda.

In an interview Bayh, a potential 2008 presidential candidate, said most Americans don't really know what Democrats stand for, Gannett News Service reported.

"And if we serve up a highly partisan, ideologically extreme, Democratic version of what they just voted against, we're not going to do very well."

Instead Bayh urged his party to focus on issues of concern to the middle class like health care, pensions, job security and making higher education more affordable. "There's a bigger responsibility on us (now) to have a positive agenda for meeting the challenges that face the country," he said. "If we don't have that, we're in deep trouble."

The former Indiana governor also said Democrats can immediately prove their willingness to work with Republicans by taking action to reduce the nation's dependence on foreign oil.

[AlCzervik]

1. omg STFU! no posturing and no public fighting for crissakes!

[David Dunham]

2. He is basically correct. The impeach Bush effort would really hurt Dems

[AlCzervik]

4. he's using liberals as an example of what not to be

"Oh look at how moderate and unscary i am, vote for me" i'm sorry but thats how i see it.

[Cha]

40. I'd like to know what's so scary

about me? Is bayh just using the rush limpbaugh definition of Liberal? Liberal=dirty word? Just because he says so?

[fooj]

11. Polls show over 80% FOR Impeachment...

I don't care what "hurts"...

Rule of law is rule of law. Period.

[Patchuli]

23. There will be massive investigations

and if their findings show that impeachment is what needs to be done, so be it. This administration must be held accountable or *the same group will try it again!!!* Laws have been broken, much more has been done than a lie about sex. It is this country's duty to use the law to right the wrongs. I think most people will agree when all the dirty filty swamp water is drained to leave all the dirty secrets exposed.

[Guaranteed]

34. Impeachment is not what he is talking about, here.

Impeachment IS a bad idea. But we ought to have a solid agenda, and one that will prevent what BushCo did from happening again. He's wrong on that point.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Bye bye, Bayh.

[David Dunham]

6. Trying to impeach Bush/Cheney will not work and would damage Dems hugely

[fooj]

12. After the hearings get under way...

we will have NO OTHER CHOICE, IMO. Rule of law is rule of law. What will HURT us is not abiding by the rule of law. Then...we become them.

[sallyseven]

36. American people do not care about the rule of law

or these guys would have been out long ago. They do care about the war, health care, min. wage, education, getting along. We do not have the votes in the Senate to get them impeached. It would take a year and we cannot afford a years time. We have to prove that we are the sane party and not what the repukes have been saying about us. Grow up.

[fooj]

44. Grow up?

Have you considered that if Clinton had done his job and not given Poppy a free pass...we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with?

I call BULLSHIT. The American people DO care about the rule of law. They VOTED for it on Tuesday.

BTW- who the hell are YOU to tell ME to "grow up"? Sounds like you might benefit from your own "advice"...

Edit: The Dems fully intend on holding hearings. Do you really believe for one moment that when this country catches a whiff of what these treasonous, rat bastards have done they won't give a damn?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Bayh wasn't talking about impeachment; he didn't even mention it.

He referred only to what he called "a highly partisan, ideologically extreme, Democratic version" of the issues. Sounds a whole lot like a guy who considers progressives to be extremists. In other words, a corporatist DLC-type. Like I said: If he keeps up that kind of talk if he wants to run in '08, it's bye bye, Bayh.

[Warpy]

27. Exactly. He's trying to reassure timid conservatives

that they can keep their illusory tax cuts, that widows and orphans will still be cut off welfare after two years, and that basically nothing will change.

Ha ha.

[AntiFascist]

41. I'm sure there are plenty of fiscally conservative Republicans...

who would like to see the Dimwit in Chief investigated and all his supporting corruption dealt with. These are the antithesis of partisan, ideologically extreme Democrats.

[Individualist]

5. DLC hates progressives

Damn them and the neocons riding on their filthy backs.

[canetoad]

15. Progressive does not mean

that mega-leaps of progress must be made tomorrow.

Do the Dems want to hold government for a long time? Best way is slow, steady progress that is inclusive instead of alienating.

[Individualist]

30. I know EXACTLY what progressive means

Have I mentioned I put DLC cheerleaders on ignore?

[canetoad]

39. Bit tetchy eh....

And what the hell is a DLC cheerleader. Speak slowly and in words of one syllable or less so that a humble Aussie can grasp your exalted person's meaning.

I don't see anyone (in the world or elsewhere) having a monopoly on the meaning of progressive, liberal, compassionate or civil. Now, go ahead and put me on ignore.

[aquart]

18. We're even. I hate the DLC.

[Individualist]

31. They want to turn the party into a subservient branch of the damn GOP!

:puke:

[American Jesus]

7. Just like clockwork

Al From issues the talking points and one by one the little corporatist parrots line up and repeat him. Wonder how many DLC'ers are lined up to bash Howard Dean and other actual Democrats on the Sunday talk shows this week?

[EFerrari]

8. Evan Bayh is a Democrat? n/t

[AlCzervik]

9. yeah, a zell miller democrat.

[joemurphy]

25. He's hardly a standard-bearer, but his voting record is

pretty liberal, especially considering where he comes from.

I don't care much for him, even as a Hoosier Democrat, but while fiscally conservative, he's essentially a liberal insofar as social issues go. He has zero charisma and typically says and does whatever is politically expedient. He isn't worth paying much attention to.

[More Than A Feeling]

10. This reporter is probably making what he said sound worse than it was

I'd be more interested in seeing what he actually said. He clearly didn't say that Tuesday's election wasn't an affirmation of his party's agenda, because down below he says that the party should focus on...the very agenda we ran on.

Notice that the most objectionable stuff is the reporter speaking. If Bayh really said that, too, then he has a problem. Otherwise, its just another reporter with an agenda.

[blm]

13. Kerry: people voted overwhelmingly for a new direction...first and foremost Iraq.

“On Tuesday night, the American people voted overwhelmingly to take this country in a new direction. Today with Jim Webb’s election secured, it’s official that we have a Democratic Senate and a Democratic House.

“With both the House and Senate led by Democrats, we have a chance to get America back on the right track. In the Senate, I will first and foremost focus on the disaster in Iraq, setting a deadline so we can end the war and bring our brave heroes home.

“We will work to put the focus on the real priorities of Americans: raising the minimum wage, protecting the environment, and providing affordable health care for every American – starting with our children.

“I will continue to work with Sen. Kennedy, Congressman Markey, and our entire delegation to make higher education more affordable. I will work to make sure Massachusetts stays on the cutting edge of both technology and education. And by helping keep our state a great place to live, I will work to ensure that people don’t have to leave Massachusetts.

“The American people have spoken loud and clear, and we are eager to work in the new congress to help Massachusetts and our country move forward.”

[aquart]

16. He's going to be in for quite a shock in the primaries.

But I suppose we'll be seeing his face every Sunday for the next two years because the media think he's just the right kind of Dem.

[LeftHander]

17. Yup no idelogical bandwagon should include marriage equity....nt

[porphyrian]

19. Horse-fucking-shit.

No single factor went into our victory on Tuesday. Sure SOME of the votes were against the status quo only, but at least as many were FOR our party's agenda. This man is fucking lying, and I'm suspicious of his motives. Why steal the glory from everyone who isn't a self-styled "moderate" (read "conservative") when there's plenty to go around? These fuckers led us to THREE MAJOR ELECTION LOSSES IN A ROW with their bullshit "moderate" vote pandering, and now that Dr. Dean is in charge and has completely reversed their losing trend, they want to deny it? Fuck that. I've had to put up with six fucking years of lying conservatives, and I'm not about to put up with it from our own fucking party. Your time is short, assholes. Enjoy.

[LittleClarkie]

20. Interesting. The same people who annoyed me after the loss are annoying me after the win

Hrm.

[David Zephyr]

21. So true.

It's like they want to go back to the days of Gephardt and Daschle and cowarding all over again.

[David Dunham]

22. Don't waste time supporting Kerry. After last week, he is finished.

No US politician has ever been damaged as much in a single week as Kerry was last week. He is toast.

[LittleClarkie]

28. Gee, thanks for sharing. But this thread isn't about Kerry. Oh, and by the way

Catch us if you can.

[Cha]

42. Sorry, but that's just so much corporatewhoremedia

Bullshit. I ain't buyin' nothin' they're sellin'.

[LoZoccolo]

33. I'm noticing that too. I had 900+ people on ignore between the loss and win.

It built over time, of course, but there'd be times where I wouldn't be logged in so my ignore list wasn't being used, and I'd be like "wow, I was right".

[LittleClarkie]

35. I actually meant Bayh, but I know what you mean

anyway.

[bloom]

24. Being against the status quo - is being against the likes of him.

It sounds like he's saying that if people who voted got what they wanted - the Democrats are not going to do very well. ? That doesn't even make sense.

More like if the 60% of the American people who are against the War on Iraq got what they wanted - it wouldn't be what Bayh (and the DLC) wants.

[sce56]

26. If the present administration is NOT GUILTY of CRIMES then what is the hurt to

INVESTIGATE...........
We need to find the truth about
Downing Street Memos!
Hyping Intelligence to go to WAR.
Loss of Civil Liberties.
Crimes against humanity TORTURE!
Answer the questions from the 911 Families unanswered for 5 years!!!!!!
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/july10/
Who Attacked the Congress after Sept 11th with anthrax? Possibly a rouge government agency!






October 17, 2006,Will be remembered as the Enabling day of the 21st Century!
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures..."
~Adolf Hitler, March 23, 1933, before the German Parliament (Reichstag) as he urged them to pass his "Enabling Act"

Got Fascism Yet?


http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bush-nazilinkconfirmed.htm



Fascism Accomplished!

[bigtree]

29. there's plenty of room for this guy in our party

A great deal can be accomplished now that the Democrats have the floor. Most of these bills were packed with the trappings of absolute power. Democrats know how to manage in our democratic institution. Senators like Bayh bring their views to the table and will be challenged to compromise with a decidedly more progressive Democratic majority.


http://journals.democraticunderground.com/bigtree

[LoZoccolo]

32. Says the guy with the syndicalist flag as his avatar. n/t

[David Dunham]

37. McCain would cream Kerry in a national election. Kerry is toast.

[LoZoccolo]

38. Why are you hijacking all these threads with remarks about Kerry? n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. So? It's a Big Tent, remember?

Liberals, progressives, socialists, Marxists, Anarchists...even "moderates".

[LoZoccolo]

46. And anarchists are extremists. It's your opinion: own it, take responsibility for it. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

47. And, THAT is your opinion.

And, here is another "extremist's" opinion about "moderates".

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principles is always a vice." - Tom Paine

[LoZoccolo]

50. OK never, mind, there is some position further left on the spectrum than anarchism.

I just don't know the name of it or something.

[Ringo84]

43. I disagree

I think Bayh was really saying, basically, "let's not turn into Democratic versions of the people we just voted against." And he's right. If we pulled the same kind of things that the Republicans pulled on us, we'd be no better than them.

As for impeachment, I think it basically comes down to whether the American people want it. I know that I'm going to get fragged for saying this, but I don't know if I fully trust that poll that said that 80% of Americans were for impeachment. What if everyone who voted in that poll was a Democrat? 80% of Democrats may want impeachment, but I'm not so sure about America as a whole. And if America as a whole doesn't want to go that route, we shouldn't pursue it.

I dunno.
Ringo

[Hippo_Tron]

48. Seriously Senator Bayh WHAT SHOULDN'T WE DO?

I'm sick and fucking tired of these guys saying that we need to embrace moderate policies without giving any specific examples of this "far left" agenda that we should be rejecting. Seriously can ANYBODY give me a serious example of this "far left" agenda that some members of congress might push for that might make us lose favor with the rest of the country. I'm extremely curious to hear what the fuck these guys are talking about.

[leftofthedial]

49. I agree with him

until the third sentence of the article