So if God hates homosexuality so much, how come it ain't a Commandment?

[NOLADEM]

Don't get me wrong, it shouldn't be, but if it is so damned terrible to covet another man, why isn't it in the list?

[tblue]

1. Yeah, why didn't it make God's Top Ten?

I heard King James was a latent homosexual.

[kenny blankenship]

20. Nothing latent about it

The court had to bring in the brilliant and gorgeous young Duke of Buckingham (nudge wink) to get King James to stop pitching his woo to the Spanish Ambassador.

[BR_Parkway]

2. How come he didn't "cure" his top preacher? It's claimed that you

can pray the gay away and that all prayers will be answered if you truly believe. Why, oh why has the Lord forsaken him?

[Fridays Child]

6. Yeah, Exodus International, isn't it?

:rofl:

[sarge43]

23. Good point. From the way the fundies tell it, gay is merely

a life style choice - something to be changed easily if (cue echo chamber) you really believe.

[aquart]

34. So now we know what we always suspected:

Anyone who spouts that claptrap is gayer than a pink sheet. Folded away in the linen closet.

[pinkpops]

3. I think you're on to something - must be the work of activists preachers

[EdwardM]

4. Levitcus 20 : 13

"And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them have committed abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

It may not be a commandment, but there is anti gay bigotry in the old testament. One of the many reasons why seperation of church and state is very important.

[RetroLounge]

7. Obviously written by a closeted gay apostle...

:hi:

RL

[aquart]

29. No, they were pissed off at dog priests.

This was a religion telling its people that polytheism was a big no-no. The whole separation of meat and dairy came from the joyous Orphic invocation, "Like a kid I am fallen into milk." By behaving like Republicans and attacking Orphism's strength, the Jewish priests made that joy a horror: "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mother's milk." A deliberate, Rovian misunderstanding of sacred text.

[SouthernBelle82]

46. They weren't called apostles back than I don't think

That wasn't until Jesus.

[Mythsaje]

8. Is it worse or better than eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics?

Just curious.

:)

[gully]

19. Well, I think if you go out for shrimp, in a cotton polyester blend

and then have sex with a divorcee of the same sex, you go immediately to hell?

[sarge43]

26. Only if you prune the vineyard in the seventh year, too. Lev 25:4

[gully]

43. Ahh, perhaps this is what saved Mr. Haggard?

He skipped the seventh year pruning?

[Mythsaje]

28. Instantly?

Like reverse rapture on the spot?

Wow. So how do we get some evangelicals to have shellfish and wear a cotton blend before going out and having meth and sex with a male prostitute?

It's not nowhere near as hard as it sounds.

[gully]

42. Well, he must have said his prayers before hand or something?

But, yes - to my understanding it's an instant reverse rapture process.

[aquart]

31. Fashion hell, certainly.

I thought the whole point of being gay was never having to wear polyester blends.

[gully]

44. LOL, that must be why gays avoid it?

:evilgrin:

[Warren DeMontague]

9. There's also anti-shrimp bigotry in Leviticus.

http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/

All the more reason we should have separation of church and Red Lobster.

[aquart]

24. See, I don't think they really meant shrimp. I think they meant dolphins.

Dolphin, which means "womb," was a sacred animal. Taboo except for special feasts. Exactly the same as the pig. And the horse. I don't know any religion that ever worshipped shrimp. I do, but that's a personal taste preference.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Not being an expert on the bible, I wouldn't claim to know.

And I'm all for protecting dolphins, but not at the expense of gay rights. :patriot:

[NOLADEM]

25. Thanks for the link....Damn funny site

We read the Bible @ my extremely small, liberal college for class...IT WAS HILARIOUS what we found. Hilarious.

I think the book is a misinterpreted comedy.

[LeftCoast]

10. It's funny how some things are focused on but not others

:shrug:

[Warren DeMontague]

11. Dammit, GET OUT OF MY HEAD!

Mythsaje is in here, too. :hi:

[LeftCoast]

13. LOL - I saw that and edited since you'd already made the points

Great minds...

:hi:

[Catherine Vincent]

14. I can vouch for the shellfish. It shouldn't be eaten too often.

It can cause gout which is very painful. :( :)

[EdwardM]

21. Yeah you're right.

"Nothing so needs reforming as other people’s habits" Mark Twain

The bible has very perverse versus which punish many lifestyles with punishments like death or excommunication. The fundies choose the versus that are against people who are "not like us" in order to punish them, while ignoring the versus that are against adultery, greed, and even masturbation.

[gully]

17. More:

* Leviticus

Levitcus 18:22, Levitcus 20:13-14

The book of Leviticus was handed down to the children of Israel as a guideline during their exodus from slavery in Egypt. This exodus supposedly took 40 years (40 years, 40 days, etc. 40 is a common number used in the books and is widely thought to mean a verrrrrrry long time ... but no one knows fer sure ... )
Some biblical scholars believe that Aramaic, the language of the ancient bible, did not contain an easy way to say "many things" and used a term which has come down to us as 40. This means that when the bible in many places refers to "40 days", they meant many days. this bit came to me from Nia

The exodus took the tribes of Israel over severe terrain and even across/through the Red Sea. If you scan the book of Leviticus, you'll see references to what to eat or not, how food should be prepared because of the lack of long term storage: ie, can't eat pork or shellfish because pork is loaded with bacteria and shellfish spoil rapidly; how to dress to protect yourself from the elements, etc.

Along with these guidelines, (or laws as the original hebrew word for guidelines has been translated into modern texts,) were the laws regarding maintaining the progeny of the tribes. A great deal is mentioned in the book of Leviticus about what a man can and cannot do with his seed. And, with whom ... or what.

The famous quote used to disparage gays and lesbians is from this section of Leviticus (chapter 18:22). That quote is: It is abomination for man to lie with mankind as with womankind. The preceding verse (18:19) prohibits sex during a woman's menses; a woman in menses cannot conceive. There are also prohibitions about sex within bloodlines, i.e., a man with his daughter, a man with his aunt, etc. We now know, through medica science, the abnormalities and health risks inbreeding can cause.

* Leviticus, Abomination

It is important to note that the summarization of these chapters specifies the people of Israel shall not commit any of all these abominations Leviticus 18:26 which leads one to believe breaking any of the laws given is an abomination.

In Leviticus 22:10 through 21 the punishments are cited.

Adultery DEATH
A man with his mother or step-mother DEATH
A man with his daughter-in-law DEATH "for they have commited perversion";
if a man has sex with both a woman and her daughter DEATH BY FIRE
if a person has sex with an animal BOTH the person and the animal must DIE

If you take the entire book of Leviticus, especially chapters 18 and 22, you can probably surmise that the guidelines are given to assure the continuation of the tribes. The main focus of this chapter, IMHO, is the assurance that any emission of a man's seed is used for the purpose of creating a healthy new life, not for pleasure.

If you understand that the book of Leviticus was given the jews just to help them stay alive and maintain their numbers during the exodus, it makes sense. As ususal though, preachers and priests always just pick and choose the verses they want to take out of context. I wonder how many preachers start their sunday mornings with a bacon and egg breakfast, sometimes cooked by their wives during her period. hmmmm ....

Remember, according to Leviticus, it is an abomination to eat pork, shrimp, be served your food by a woman in her menses, have sex with her during her period, wear clothes made of multiple blends of fabrics, etc.

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* Other Abominations deserving death

* 19:20 If you're a woman, engaged and the dowry's been paid, don't fool around with anyone else!
* 20:23 Don't adopt the customs of another land!
* 20:25 Don't eat that ham sandwich! Or that shrimp! And woe to those who enjoy grilled rattlesnake or aligator!
* 20:27 Somebody call Dionne Warwick and tell her she and her Psychic Hotline buddies are sentenced to death!
* 24:16 Blasphemers beware!
* 24:17,21 A strong argument FOR the death penalty!
* 27:29 Okay, this one is a bit tricky ... If someone donates something to God, and, in turn, that gift is sold, the gift must be put to death!
* And, woe to y'all wearing your cotton/rayon blends! Leviticus 19:19

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* Deuteronomy

Deuteronomy 23:17-18
This passage is one admonition of many about the activities of temple prostitution. Modern scholars disagree on whether the passage specifically means male-to-male protitution or male-to-female.

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* I Corinthians

1 Corinthians 6:9
Depending on the version you prefer, this passage has been interpreted to mean either morally weak, cowardly men or male prostitutes. Although there are several words which explicitly mean homosexual in the ancient Greek language, why would Paul choose one so ambiguous?

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* I Timothy

1 Timothy 1:10
Well, if us queers are gonna go, so are you boyz that pay a prostitute!

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* Romans

Romans 1:26-27
The new testament reference is from Paul who, it is now believed, suffered from internalized homophobia and self hate.

Paul states in his letter to the Romans, that women did change the natural use into that which is against nature and that those who lie with mankind as with womankind are dispised by the Lord.
Modern scholars believe these verses are more concerned with idolotry, prostitution, rape, and the archaic belief that women are inferior to men.

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* Paul

OK, Paul was a conservative Jew and a stoic, believing in reason rather than natural impulse. As a result, Paul is extremely sphincteristic in his handling of all carnal impulses!

His beliefs were shaped by his education and conditioning as a Palestinian Jew. He was shocked and contemptuous of other cultures.

Also, Paul's command of writing in ancient Greek is highly questionable. In the original text of I Corinthians 6, Paul refers to malakoi, which in translations has been misinterpreted as homosexual. The word literally means soft. There were several words for homosexual in ancient Greek. If Paul was referring to queers, why didn't he use the word arrenomanes or paidophthoro or one of the other words that specifically means homosexual?

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* Using marriage as last resort, Don't get divorced

Paul dictates that (1 Corinthians 7:9) It is good for a man not to touch a woman and as a last resort, one should marry to avoid fornication and (1 Corinthians 7:11) if a woman divorces or seperates from her husband, she must remain celibate!

Thanks to the following for the above info:

http://www.swade.net/glbt/bible.html

[aquart]

22. I'm just gonna point out....

That we don't do LOTS of things that are commanded in Leviticus. We don't stone people for adultery. We eat shrimp (in the basement if you're kosher). We wear blended fabrics.

AND IT ISN'T THE CHRISTIAN TESTAMENT. Get your damn hands off my book! Tell me where Jesus Christ said hanging out with guys is an abomination, him and his disciples.

[Blue-Jay]

27. Leviticus 25:44-46

"Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour."

Translation: It's OK to own slaves.

Leviticus 11:9-12

"These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you."

Translation: Eating shrimp is an abomination.


EDIT: Stupid smilies...

Care to continue, n00b?

[EdwardM]

30. Are you calling me a n00b?

[Blue-Jay]

33. Are you not a n00b?

[EdwardM]

35. Well I guess I am a n00b.

[Blue-Jay]

36. Welcome to DU, then.

I understand that Leviticus (KJ version) says some stuff about "teh evul gheys", but it also says a lot of other crazy shit. To quote one bit of craziness without quoting some of the rest is the epitome of dishonesty.

[EdwardM]

38. Yeah I've read Leviticus before.

Much of the Old testament scares me. How was quoting that dishonesty? It says that, but it also has verses against masturbation, eating shrimp and other strange things. That doesn't change the fact that it has the Anti Gay stuff. For the record if for some reason you think I agree with Leviticus 20:13, I don't. I'm an atheist.

[NOLADEM]

5. Not to kick my own thread, but wouldn't it be perfect if they started a movement to add it?

would show to the core what is wrong with many who call themselves religious these days, eh?

[Idioteque]

12. To be fair, it was probably in the 15 commandments before Moses dropped 5. nt

[kenny blankenship]

15. "Covet not thy neighbor's ass" (currently holding tenth spot in the top 10)

Search the fine print on #10: Do not covet anything that is thy neighbor's It's in there.

Sticketh not thine tube-steak in his "sister".
Neither a pitcher nor a catcher be-est thou.

[NOLADEM]

18. HAHAHAHAHA

:rofl:



I like the cut of your jib, sir.

[Beelzebud]

16. If there is a god, it's too busy creating a galaxy somewhere.

[Rageneau]

32. And if God hates abortion, how come He never said so?

There is not one word in the Bible that prohibits abortion. So, did God forget to mention it, or is He a lying baby-killing liberal?

[geniph]

37. You'd think it'd be somewhere in the Gospels, wouldn't you?

You know, in the actual words of Christ. He condemns greed enough times, but here's everything he actually said about homosexuality, as per the Gospels:

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<crickets chirping>
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[American Jesus]

41. Well, since I'm right here, I'll take that question.....

What did I say about homosexuality in the Gospels?

Nothing.

And, as pointed out, it was not in My Dad's Top 10 List of Things That Really Piss Him Off.

So if I didn't say anything, and Dad didn't say anything, then who did?

Mortal men influenced by their own prejudices. I went round and round with Paul back in the day over his hangups. He was so convinced that he couldn't even have married sex or it would screw up his relationship with Me. I told him "Paul, was King Solomon not one of the wisest men in the history of Israel, and one who was favored by My Father?"

And Paul had to agree that he was.

"And how many wives did he have again, you dolt??"

And the next time any of you are in an argument with a homophobe who claims Me or Dad as their excuse, tell them to read 1 Samuel 18 in their Bible and read all about David & Jonathan. I think they might find it interesting.

[elocs]

39. It must have been on one of the tablets

that Mel Brooks dropped.

[stepnw1f]

45. Because God is Gay

If you believe in one spirit representing all. And God does give birth to life. Why, I'd say God went both ways.

[American Jesus]

48. Nah, Dad isn't gay. But He is very comfortable with His "female" side

What??, scream the lurking Freepers, "God has a female side"??

Why yes He does. And it says so right in Genesis.......

...And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Now how could Dad create a female in His image unless She had a female image??

It's nothing to do with gender issues or anything like that however. Dad's a spirit. He doesn't have a body as mortals would understand it. So the whole thing is irrelevant anyway.

[sendero]

47. If god hates homosexuals so much...

... why did he make so many of them?

Digging into the old Testament is hilarious. If it were to be taken seriously, what a world we'd live in :)

[American Jesus]

49. God doesn't hate anybody

Not even Fred Phelps. And believe Me, NOT hating him isn't easy. :argh:

[leesa]

50. Because it was just meant to keep them making babies to keep the tribes

alive. It's a social survival rule.