Falwell & Robertson: Haggard had VERY LITTLE INFLUENCE

[Bluebear]

:rofl:

Forget prayer and forgiveness, Pat and Jerry know that mudslinging works better. From WaPo:

Some fellow conservative Christian leaders got in their digs yesterday. "We're sad to see any evangelical leader fall," the Rev. Pat Robertson said on his television show, "The 700 Club." But, he added, it "just isn't true" that the NAE represents 30 million churchgoers, as the association claims.

"We can't get their financial data. I think it's because they have very little money and very little influence," Robertson said.

James Dobson, chairman and founder of Focus on the Family, which is headquartered near Haggard's megachurch, called Haggard a "close friend." "Nevertheless, sexual sin, whether homosexual or heterosexual, has serious consequences, and we are extremely concerned for Ted, his family and his church," Dobson said.

The Rev. Jerry Falwell, speaking Thursday night on CNN, said Haggard "doesn't really lead the movement. He's president of an association that's very loose-knit . . . and no one has looked to them for leadership."

http://www.evangelicalright.com/2006/11/robertson_and_falwell_downplay.html

"No pastor in America holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism than does Pastor Ted, and no church more than New Life." - TIME magazine

[Red Right and BLUE]

1. denial works for so many things... nt

[cali]

10. That's not denial

That's full bore conscious LYING.

[malaise]

2. But Ted was the President

of the Movement? WTF is this rubbish about now. What's up with this hand-washing? The WH wasn't close to him; now his own fellow pastors don't think he was important. Of course Falwell didn't know him either.
Now would Robertson please tell us which natural disaster was Ted's fault!

[Cha]

3. like you guys?

Maybe ted has even less influence now?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Ted who?

I don't remember any "Ted." Well, come to think of it, maybe I might have met him once or twice, but we weren't friends or anything. :rofl:

[Bluebear]

8. Ted Koppel, Ted Baxter, Ted Turner, NOPE, I don't know a Ted haggard

Never heard of him!

[partylessinOhio]

5. Falwell is a very jealous man, remember what he did to Jim Bakker.

Falwell took down Heritage USA to get Bakker's satellite.

[C_U_L8R]

6. From Google Cache - 45,000 churches

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:G84Wok9aRQoJ:www.nae.net/+national+association+of+evangelicals&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

Message from the President

The NAE is composed of sixty member denominations representing 45,000 churches across America; our numbers generate influence and power, our diversity creates integrity and strength, and our unity produces effective value for the Body of Christ. Together we can accomplish more than we could ever achieve on our own. And now is the time to prove it.

Freedom, as Ronald Reagan said, “is never more than one generation away from extinction.” Religious freedom is under attack in our generation and it’s our responsibility to defend the rights of all people everywhere to worship according to their conscience.

Right now, the United States Air Force is being sued by a radical extremist who seeks to impose his views of secular humanism upon our men and women in uniform. His lawsuit would effectively limit the work of all chaplains in the military. One of the many ways the NAE serves the evangelical community is how we endorse, serve, and represent evangelical chaplains in the United States Armed Forces. Currently the NAE represents almost 15% of military chaplains.

Why do denominations, networks of churches, individual congregations and para church ministries join the NAE? The NAE serves as a visible reminder that together, as the united Body of Christ, we can make a difference. This project is an ideal example of the things evangelicals can do together that would be impossible if we were fragmented.

For more information about how the NAE is making a difference for religious freedom in the military, click here.

Pastor Ted Haggard

[B3Nut]

7. According to Jesus

liars are of their father the Devil. Falwell's a liar. Robertson's a liar.

Do the math...according to the book they pretend to believe, they're not what they claim to be. Not that that's the least bit odd for this gang, par for the course I'm afraid...

Todd in Beerbratistan

[stepnw1f]

9. The President of Your Whacked Out Movement Had no Influence?

LIAR

[tenshi816]

11. I wondered how long it would take them

to run far, far away from Haggard, but it happened even quicker than I expected. Gee, do ya think they're happy to be rid of some of their competition?

[indepat]

12. Liars, liars, hypocrites: your pants are on fire

[SoCalDem]

13. Yeh.. that's why he was president of that HUGE organization

Huge organizations always take their CEOs and leaders from the lowly ranks of nobodies..

Next up at Intel...Joe the mailroom guy gets a crack at CEO..

[tuvor]

14. The president of an organization with 30 million Americans has "little influence"?

Oh, all right, then.

[Dudley_DUright]

15. Time to get out Stalin's airbrush, and consign Rev Ted

to non-personhood. These guys are shameless hypocrites.

[brook]

16. Amazing thing just happened...

On a Google search, I found a Rocky Mountain Times story all about what a hard-hitter Haggard was politically. I posted the link and in the post preview, it disappeared, I can't find it on Google anymore. :wtf:

[Initech]

17. Then why does he get to talk to Bush every week?

Huh? Explain that one, assholes!

[gratuitous]

18. Matthew 26:74

Then he began to curse and he swore an oath, "I do not know the man!" At that moment the cock crowed.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

19. And HERE come the Vultures!!

Lots of cash and gullible folk to divvy up.... everyone wants a slice of this pie.


This just gets better as it goes along :rofl:

[Bluebear]

20. $$$$$

SCE, I never thought I would see a show like this. And free admission!

[SalmonChantedEvening]

21. And popcorn by the bushel!!

:popcorn:

Here's to the falling of hypocrites, my friend :toast:

:pals:

[and-justice-for-all]

22. Those people are just pathetic asshats...

...They treat each other like shit and people still contribute to them, what morons.

[bobthedrummer]

23. Woe! n/t

[Bluebear]

27. :)

[VeggieTart]

24. I was born at night, but it wasn't LAST night

Do you think this would be getting all the media attention lavished on it if he weren't influential? Sheesh. I'd love to find more evidence of Pat/Jerry/one of the other asshole hatechristians lavishing praise on Haggard before the news of him patronizing a gay prostitute came out.

[Bluebear]

25. I like that! nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Riiiiight. He had a 30 MILLION flock and he had very little influence. Yeah, OK.

:eyes:

[Bluebear]

28. For the morning crowd. Charles Black just said he never heard of him either

on CNN

[Rockholm]

29. But Bush sure has!

When he said that, I was really hoping (and it happened) that Carville would counter that the repubs sure heard of him.

On edit: What a closet case that Black guy is.

[Bluebear]

30. "Maybe Black hasn't heard of Rumsfeld either!"

That was precious!