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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:30 PM
Original message
I got this e-mail, forwarded to me from my Congressional Candidate.
Sounds like some whack jobs to me. They think we should charge Iraq for all he hundreds of billions we've spent destroying them, since we don't have universal health care, they should pay for theirs. Our education system is a shambles, so they should pay for theirs, instead of getting it free.

Begin forwarded e-mail.

Check this out....

Begin forwarded message:

From: Goretzky2@aol.com
Date: December 28, 2005 6:05:40 PM EST
To: @forcongress.com
Subject: For Mr. - Congressional Candidate

Dear Mr. Russell:

We, the Coalition for National Referendum, are writing to you as
a Congressional Candidate. Fourteen Congressional Candidates are
now in support of the "statement" contained below. (The names and
contact information for these Congressional Candidates are at the end
of this email)

The issue we are writing to you about is Iraq repaying the United
States for the expenditures that have been made in Iraq.

The United States has spent over $250 Billion ($1,967. from every
American Household) to aid in the reconstruction and defense of Iraq.
Iraq has the third largest proven oil reserve in the world, 115 Billion
barrels,
worth over $6 Trillion.

While Congress is in the process of making significant cuts in
programs and raising the deficit because of a lack of money, American
Taxpayers are subsidizing the following for the Iraqi people:

1. Gasoline: "While Americans are shelling out record prices for fuel,
Iraqis pay only about 5 cents a gallon for gasoline - a benefit of hundreds
of millions of dollars subsidies bankrolled by American taxpayers"
(Associated Press, June 6, 2004)

2. Food: The Iraqi people receive "free basic foodstuffs" (The New York
Times, August 11, 2005)

3. Health Care: In Iraq Heath Care is "free at the point of delivery and
based on primary health care principles" (The Guardian, UK, November
30, 2004). Therefore, while 44 million Americans do not have health
insurance, the American Taxpayers are subsidizing Health Care for 25
million Iraqis.

4. Higher Education: Article 34 of the Iraqi Constitution states "Free
education is a right of Iraqis in all its stages" (Associated Press,
August 24, 2005) Therefore, while Americans are struggling to find ways
to finance a College education, the American Taxpayers are subsidizing
free College education for the Iraqi people.

Iraq now has a Constitution (passed in a National Referendum). A
permanent Government will be elected on December 15, 2005. There is
simply no reason why Iraq should not repay the aid given by the United
States.

We are not suggesting that this repayment from Iraq be done in a
harsh way. Rather we are stating that the repayments occur over a
period of time so that Iraq can continue to rebuild and grow economically.

Repayments form Iraq would encourage the Iraqi people to quicken
the pace of providing for their own security. Thereby bringing the war to
a successful conclusion and allowing American troops to return home
safely.

We have found through "focus groups" that over 70% of the people
support this proposal, regardless if they are Republicans or Democrats,
for or against the war. In short, this proposal has overwhelming support
among the American people.

We would be happy to help to incorporate this issue into your
Congressional Campaign at NO COST to you or your campaign.

We would like to list your name (Congressional District, State,
Website and/or email address) on our Website in support of the statement:
"The United States should request and receive repayments from Iraq equal
to the money that has been spent by the United States on the rebuilding
and defense of Iraq."

If you have any questions or comments feel free to call me at
1-800-331-8918 or reply to this email.

We thank you for reading this email and look forward to hearing
from you.

With best wishes always, I am,

Sincerely,
Myron Goretzky
Chairman
Coalition for National Referendum
www.nationalreferendum.org

The Fourteen Congressional Candidates who are in support of
the "statement" contained above are:

Bob Ellis
Democratic Congressional Candidate
9th Congressional District, Georgia
rjellis@knology.net

Raymond Wardingley
Republican Congressional Candidate
1st Congressional District, Illinois
RayWardingley99@msn.com

Mark Leyva
Republican Congressional Candidate
1st Congressional District, Indiana
info@markleyva.com

Katherine Fox Carr
Democratic Congressional Candidate
5th Congressional District, Indiana
carrforcongress@yahoo.com

Andy Horning
Republican Congressional Candidate
7th Congressional District, Indiana
AndrewHorning@hotmail.com

Charles Floyd
Republican Congressional Candidate
8th Congressional District, Maryland
chuckfloyd@comcast.net

George Weber
Democratic Congressional Candidate
2nd Congressional District, Missouri
geoboots@aol.com

Mike Barrett
Republican Congressional Candidate
7th Congressional District, Minnesota
staff@barrettforcongress06.com

Barry Michaels
Democratic Congressional Candidate
3rd Congressional District, Nevada
michaelsforcongress@yahoo.com

Tim Robb
Democratic Congressional Candidate
2nd Congressional District, New Jersey
timrobbcongress@aol.com

Jim Parker
Democratic Congressional Candidate
2nd Congressional District, Ohio
parker309@msn.com

Joe Ortega
Republican Congressional Candidate
13th Congressional District, Ohio
joeforcongress@joeiii.com

Jon Porter
Democratic Congressional Candidate
31st Congressional District, Texas
jon.porter@sbcglobal.net
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:34 PM
Response to Original message
1. Wait a minute! that money belongs to ExxonMobil with a percentage...
going to the Bush crime family.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:36 PM
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2. bomb the shit out of them
and then enslave them to debt..

sounds like a plan!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 10:41 PM
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3. Yeah, a neo-con wet dream
Privatize everything that was publicly owned, and paid for with their oil revenues, and charge them for it.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:15 PM
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4. Some of the points piss me off
We hafta subsidize Iraqis gas and education while we cut our own children? Im sorry but that just sucks. We need to take care of our own and then we can go and help the rest of the world.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-28-05 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. WE BLEW UP THEIR FUCKING COUNTRY
What part of that do you not get?

Tell me, what kind of education are Iraqi kids getting?

The kids who are still alive, of course, just ignore the dead ones, they're ingrates anyway.

What do you think the Iraqis are doing with all of that cheap gasoline?

Going on vacations, traveling to visit friends and family maybe?

Disneyworld?

I want you to tell me how available it is and how much it costs the average Iraqi citizen who has no job and nowhere to drive even if they could afford to put gas in the car.



You are fucking unreal.

I hear this bullshit all day at work from freepers.

It's revolting to see it parroted here.



Bill O'Reilly thanks you.:patriot:

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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:22 AM
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6. Take care of our own?
I would suggest that it is a bit late for that. Once we entered Iraq as a "liberator," a bringer of freedom and democracy, we inherited the country's woes. That is the down side of nation building.

I would submit that, as the "most powerful" country on the planet, it is our place to lead, to better the world for everyone. At home and abroad. Not through superior firepower, but through education, medicine, and science. Our current government wants to spread democracy, e.g. capitalistic greed, hoping those on the receiving end are blind to the reality of the gift.

"Take care of our own," I am sure that you did not intend to post this phrase in all it's negative connotations, but it is
reminiscent of other terms, "lebensraum", "white power" etc.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. Yep
If they want to help out Iraq so much while we're all in pain they can go and move there and run for office there. I want someone to care about me! Call me selfish but I have a life that needs caring for too!
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. You're pissed off ?
Edited on Thu Dec-29-05 01:55 AM by beam me up scottie
Have a look at what we did:


"We once lived in a good place, but that was before the war. It got expensive after the war so we moved out. Now everything costs so much. The rents are too high. Food is not cheap. My husband can’t find work, so we live here. This war did little to help us. We are worse now than before. And to make matters worse, I am pregnant again."

- NAHAD JABAR JOUAD, center
Living in an abandoned building with her husband and children




"I was at home with my sister. She asked me to buy some ice cream. So I thought: ‘Good idea. I’ll get one for you and one for me.’ I remember walking toward the market. Then, an explosion. I woke up at the hospital. Now I am burnt. My ankle is broken. My body is filled with shrapnel."

- ALI KHALIL THEJEIL, 22
Wounded when a bomb ignited a fuel truck




"My grandfather and I took down our curtains in our home so we could wrap the dead boys in them. He did not want them to lie exposed, uncovered, in the streets. First, we tore the curtains in half. Then my grandfather and I went into the street. Together we wrapped my dead friends. We used to play soccer 11 on a side. Now there’s only enough for three against three."

- MUHAMMAD SATTAR, 11, second from left
Twin brother was killed in a bombing




"The police officer had sustained three injuries to the chest. The wounds were the result of a terror attack. Vital signs unstable. He was seriously injured. He was dying. There were eight doctors working on him; three were specialists. When he was declared dead, his fellow officers attacked the doctors and nurses. They blamed us for his death. They then destroyed our emergency room. In the last few months, such attacks have become the norm."

- DR. AHMED MUTHAFAR
Emergency room doctor




"After the shooting stopped, the American convoy continued driving. I thought only the driver was hit. His injuries were serious but not life threatening. When I looked into the back seat, I found my wife and two children covered in blood. I realized my wife was dead. My daughter was dead. I tried to lift my daughter. Parts of her brain fell from the wound on the side of her head. My baby boy was covered with blood and wounds. He survived. I don’t know why the Americans shot at us."

- AHMED MOAYDA, WITH HIS SON, HAMZA
Said his family was fired on by an American convoy as they were traveling by car from Baghdad to Jordan


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/26/international/middleeast/26testimony1.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1135572586-8pDqfsDKfyCNzczUDOUZ7w



Yeah, they have it so good, don't they?

Free food, free education, free health care AND cheap gas!




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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:08 AM
Response to Reply #4
11. Yeah, cause those Iraqis have it ever so much better than we do
Even if dollars weren't earmarked for Iraq, the American people still would not see those dollars.

Maybe you've noticed that helping Americans isn't exactly a priority with the US government...and don't buy the lie - and it is a major lie - that Iraqis are somehow siphoning funds away from much needed services in America. Defense/civilian contractors are - tax cuts to the wealthy are - and oil companies are - but the Iraqi people are not...and let's remember that America is stealing Iraq's oil - and not for the benefit of the American people. And it goes without saying that the Iraqis are not benefiting from the theft either.

With all the money that has gone into Iraq, infrastructure and services there would be better - IF -the money was actually going to Iraqis. But it's not.

You honestly believe Iraqis are seeing this money America claims to be helping them with?

Shit no... but Halliburton is - Exxon-Mobil is...But the Iraqis aren't.

And again - Bush would not spend money helping Americans even if the invasion never took place.

The problem with failing services in America isn't Iraq. It's corruption in government. It's having a government that doesn't value it's own citizens.


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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #11
13. Ever since I saw those pictures in the NYT,
Edited on Thu Dec-29-05 02:41 AM by beam me up scottie
I haven't been able to get them out of my head.

I have no health insurance.

I'm a paycheck away from being homeless.

I would love to go back to school but can't even begin to afford it.

There's a lot of things that I think should qualify as basic human rights in this country.

But to ignore what we did to these people while whining about how tough we have it is inhuman.

No, it's sub-human.

I'd hate to insult animals.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:43 AM
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14. As bad as it is in America - and it's bad
Iraq is far worse than most Americans can even imagine.

I know I can't begin to imagine existing in a war zone. Not living - existing. Cause there's not much "living" in a war zone.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:52 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. I think many of them don't want to imagine it.
Or can't.

What frame of reference would we use?


That's why their pictures and stories are so important.

This is what happens when people forget what war is.



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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 01:55 AM
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9. So we blow up their country, kill 100,000 of them and
then we ask them to pay us back?

What kind of horseshit is this?
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:08 AM
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10. I'm personally going to e-mail every "Dem" on that list
And ask them, just how the fuck they can sign on to such a thing.

Everyone else should too.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 02:17 AM
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12. People should be outraged.
How can a Dem sign something like that?
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-29-05 10:13 AM
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16. What have you told your Candidate?
Hopefully, something along the lines of "You 'sign-on' with THIS racist piece of shit, and you can just kiss any support you may have counted on me for GOOD-BY!"
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