FITZ-First Witness In CIA LEAK CASE GRILLED-3 Hrs Of Cross Examination

[kpete]

Oct. 26, 2006, 4:12PM
Witness grilled in CIA leak case


By MATT APUZZO Associated Press Writer
© 2006 The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald took on the first witness in the CIA leak case Thursday, dissecting an expert witness until she acknowledged errors and misstatements in her research.

Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, hoped the hearing would persuade a judge to let him call a memory expert at his obstruction and perjury trial in January.

At the outset of the procedural hearing, U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton indicated that he was not inclined to allow a memory expert to testify at the trial. Still, he allowed Libby's lawyers to present a witness to bolster their claim that memory experts would help in his defense.

When it came Fitzgerald's turn, the veteran prosecutor launched into a nearly three-hour cross-examination of the witness _ psychologist Elizabeth Loftus _ that had some members of the audience shaking their heads.

more at:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/4290489.html

[Catherine Vincent]

1. A three-hour cross-examination by Patrick Fitzgerald....

Some folks have all the luck. :-)

[SoFlaJet]

5. That excites you Cat?

what a big frickin disappointment that guy turned out to be-let's face it the ONLY way any of these rogues will be hauled in for any kind of real justice is if the dems take control of the house and if they somehow manage to take the senate-then, and ONLY then.I have no faith whatsoever in any process involving republicans or their appointees-LIKE Fitzgerald

[napi21]

8. You're expecting too much from the justice system.

It moves very, very slowly, and when you havegood attorneys and money on one side, the facts are very difficult to find. Remember, Fitz must have PROOF!

Give it time. Fitz is an honest lawyer, and he's good at his job. Ifanything can be proven, he'll find it.

[cui bono]

21. And Fitz takes his time, but he gets a lot of people in the end.

He took down the governor of Illinois but it took him 6 years or something. And he got around 42 people in the process. Ah... even better than that!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-031217ryindict,1,6619348.story

Ryan became the 66th person charged in the investigation; 59 people and his campaign committee have been convicted so far.

...

"It was cronyism, where contracts were given to people acting on inside information," Fitzgerald said.

...

The investigation, dubbed Operation Safe Road, initially focused on bribes exchanged for licenses for unqualified truck drivers when Ryan was secretary of state. It expanded into a broader investigation of political corruption that snared several of his top aides and associates.

"It was not opened up as an investigation of George Ryan, it was opened up as an investigation of licenses for bribes at the secretary of state's office," Fitzgerald said.

...

Ryan became the 66th person charged in the investigation; 59 people and his campaign committee have been convicted so far.

[bdamomma]

34. I believe we haven't heard the last of this either.

there is alot of dirt out there that has to be sifted through.

[Kagemusha]

12. Don't blame us for taking some small measure of joy in this.

Abuse of memory-related expert testimony is a scourge upon the justice system and totally aside from this Rove/Libby thing, this is a good in and of itself.

It's standing up for the integrity of the system. I wish, I really wish, more people did that.

[KoKo]

16. And, there's always the Bush "out the door" pardons which will allow

Libby to walk as they "drag" it all out.

It's not that I don't have faith that FITZ will throw the book at Libby and maybe have a few "surprises" down the road. But, in the end...the PARDONS and "hope of pardons" will flubb up anyone coming forth with real evidence.

I hope to be proved WRONG in my dire assessment, though. I just can't pin all my hopes on some mythical "FITZMAS" once again.

[Catherine Vincent]

23. I was never into that Fitzmas hysteria.

It was cute at the time but now it's over.

[Catherine Vincent]

22. Yes it does.

He's not done yet.

[leveymg]

35. You're half-right and half-wrong about this, SoFlaJet

You're right, the outcome if the Plamegate prosecution is politically dependent. But, that doesn't reflect so much on Fitzgerald as it does on the way law and politics operate together. There's only so much any prosecutor, no matter how competent and honest, can do if the country isn't politically prepared to see the top national leadership tried and hauled off to jail.

That's why the outcome of the elections is so important, it's sort of a referendum on the way the many crimes of the Bush-Cheney Administration will be dealt with. That's why, if anyone is reading this, Fitzgerald didn't seek a whole basket-full of indictments earlier this year. He could have, and the Grand Jury would have signed them, but it also could have backfired, badly, if it wasn't first made completely clear to everyone that the majority of Americans want this Administration frog marched out of the White House to the US Courthouse.

In the final analysis, as we saw in 2000, law is politics. One has to move along with the other, or neither will work, at all.

[SoFlaJet]

38. Thanks for taking the time levey

to explain your thoughts-I don't know but him letting Rove off the hook really put a kibosh on my opinion of him-clearly, he had been distracted by the possibility of an impending indictment-which was doing the dems well

[Beausoir]

9. Bwaha! Where do I sign up for that?

God, I bet he is so thorough. Relentless.

[Missy Vixen]

18. We've missed you, woman!

>Relentless<

I'm looking forward to hearing what happens as a result of today's questioning!

Julie

p.s. The little pink clubhouse just isn't the same without you! :cry:

[Beausoir]

24. Hey Julie! I was on vacation!

I look forward to checking in with you crazy ladies tomorrow!!

[JeffR]

2. Woot! Thanks, kpete

That's a very interesting read.

[MrCoffee]

3. A 3 hour cross-examination? Holy crap, it sucks to be her.

I've got zero sympathy for the defense, but still, a 3 hour cross is brutal.

[Sanity Claws]

4. Loftus is a big name in this kind of testimony

She is a professor at the Univ. of Washington (I'm doing this from memory) and has testified on this a lot. She's the one who came up with the "repressed memory" theory that has since been discredited. Undoubtedly Fitz was prepared and was able to find inconsistencies among the many times she was testified over the past ten or fifteen years.

[Fiendish Thingy]

14. Not exactly "discredited"...but controversial...

Repressed/recovered memory syndrome was quite controversial about 10 years ago, when patients, with the encouragement from some therapists, would confront parents about abuse/molestations that they remembered via therapy, and which the parents adamantly denied and in some cases, sued the therapist.
Unfortunately, what should have been the focus was the inconsistent/unethical use of therapeutic techniques to create meaning/reality from these recovered memories, which in some cases were dreams; instead, what emerged was a critiscism (often by right-wing talk radio) of the very *possibility* of someone remembering a traumatic event after many years. What should have been discredited was the specific actions of specific therapists in specific cases, rather than overgeneralizing to all therapists and victims of abuse in general, which is what the media did...

Just ask any vet with PTSD about the possibility of suddenly remembering some traumatic event after having forgotten it for years, when something seemingly benign triggers a flood of memories and flashbacks...

[mom cat]

20. The "false memory" zealots led to absolutely criminally agressive

behavior toward children who had been abused. I dispize her and the whole group of false memory perps!
Glad Fitz tore her to shreads!

[philly_bob]

28. Loftus was a terrible choice as "expert witness"

What were Libby's lawyers thinking?

[Celebration]

31. just the opposite

She debunks it.

http://faculty.washington.edu/eloftus/Articles/psytoday.htm

She has been called a whore by a prosecutor in a courthouse hallway, assaulted by a passenger on an airplane shouting, "You're that woman!", and has occasionally required surveillance by plainclothes security guards at lectures. The war over memory is one of the great and perturbing stories of our time, and Elizabeth Loftus, an expert on memory's malleability, stands at the highly charged center of it.


Even in her field, opinion is divided between fury and admiration. "I have nothing good to say about Elizabetb Loftus," says Bessel van der Kolk, M.D., a psychiatrist at Harvard, who is an expert in dissociative disorders. "I have only the highest regard for Elizabeth Loftus's work," states Frederick Crews, former chair of the English department at the University of California at Berkeley, and author of the most widely debated and discussed series of cover stories the New York Review of Books has ever published on the recovered-memory movement.

Loftus has spent most of her life steadily amassing a clear and brilliant body of work showing that memory is amazingly fragile and inventive. Her studies on more than 20,000 subjects are classics that have toppled some of our most cherished beliefs. She has shown that eyewitness testimony is often unreliable, that false memories can be triggered in up to 25 percent of individuals merely by suggestion, and that memory can be interfered with and altered by simply giving incorrect post-event information.

[InvisibleTouch]

39. The fragility of memory.

A little OT for this thread, but it's true that memory isn't nearly as reliable as we like to think. If you dig just a little bit below the surface, I think every single person alive has had some experience with this. I've had dreams, for instance, that I was convinced had been actual events until I was confronted with incontrovertible evidence to the contrary - and this isn't an uncommon experience. I "read" a very fascinating audio book on just this topic not long ago: "Stumbling on Happiness," which addresses the question of why our choices in life so seldom make us happy, and why we tend to make the same mistakes over and over again. The culprit is memory and its glitches - we view the future as well as the past through the lens of the present; we forget key elements of our experience and then re-construct them differently, and so forth. Furthermore, memories can easily, easily be shaped by external suggestions - even when the subject is told in advance that this is intended. I've recommended the book here before, but the post sank pretty quickly, so I'll do so again in this thread:

http://www.amazon.com/Stumbling-Happiness-Daniel-Gilbert/dp/0676978576/sr=1-1/qid=1161963213/ref=sr_oe_1_1/104-6413515-7229538?ie=UTF8&s=books

[Joe Chi Minh]

46. "WASHINGTON — Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald took on

the first witness in the CIA leak case Thursday, dissecting an expert witness until she acknowledged errors and misstatements in her research."

"When it came Fitzgerald's turn, the veteran prosecutor launched into a nearly three-hour cross-examination of the witness _ psychologist Elizabeth Loftus _ that had some members of the audience shaking their heads."


Now, read your glowing encomium of Prof Loftus:

"Loftus has spent most of her life steadily amassing a clear and brilliant body of work showing that memory is amazingly fragile and inventive. Her studies on more than 20,000 subjects are classics that have toppled some of our most cherished beliefs."

It happens, however, that intellectual and professional establishments are, first and foremost, pecking orders, individuals in the pursuit of wealth, status and renown. Most ambitious people in them, not necessarily motivated by a burning passion for the common weal, tend to unconsciously edit out of their perception any radically critical thoughts that might ordinarily have suggested themselves to a critical mind. Of course, there are always professional people who are truly dedicated, many I think in the medical profession, but seldom I think at the very highest level. And of those who are not - I'm thinking principally of surgery - many will nevertheless be very professionally competent, certainly in terms of the actual surgery they perform, if not the follow up. Read TIA's post this evening about his recovery from his seemingly critical post-operative condition.

Fashions of thoughts and ideas, not conceptual leaps are ordinarily the stuff of professional success. Yet, ironically, many of the doyen(ne)s, stars, hot-shots, uber-figures in the intellectual/professional pantheon are arch radicals; they defy this convention and make fairly radical conceptual leaps; and the more the success they have (if it occurs), the easier it becomes for them to bullsh*t more and more outrageously. The Emperor's suit of clothes is the applicable concept concerned here.

A few decades ago in the UK, the doyen of the legal profession was a silly old duffer called Denning. Lord Denning. Google that and you may get some idea of what I am talking about.

I realised just how daft he was capable of being, when I read that he was reported as stating that a professional person could not "blunder", only "commit an error of judgement". I might not have spotted it, had there not recently been cases in which two hospital patients respectively had the wrong leg amputated and their only good lung removed.

So the Robin Hood-type figure some of his dafter and probably more distinguished associates thought he cut in some of his judgements was just about as far from the truth as could be. If that was not the most groteque elitism, I don't know what would be. Oh, and he also thought people of African stock might not be good material for the legal professions!

So whenever somebody raves about the brilliant intellect of someone or other, don't immediately take it as gospel - no matter how big he is in his particular professional firmament. (A bit like the strange image put out by certain old rock stars that they were total tearaways, when the reality was that, while it was often the case with the instrumentalists, they themselves were of a decidedly conventional caste of mind). All too often, some of the key assumptions of professional "prodigies" are foolish beyond belief.

You then write:

"She has shown that eyewitness testimony is often unreliable, that false memories can be triggered in up to 25 percent of individuals merely by suggestion, and that memory can be interfered with and altered by simply giving incorrect post-event information."

Well, as a matter of fact, that's not ground-breaking "rocket science", it's common-sense. Most people who did not receive, had no aptitude perhaps for, an academic education, have low self-esteem in terms of their intelligence, because they've always been told that they were thick! So that even common-sense, which ought to be the basis of all intellectual enquiry, and in which they ordinarily excel, can be frequently thwarted, when a practical man is being questioned in a courtroom, specifically designed to strike the layman with awe by an egg-head lawyer. It's long been well known that confessions, particularly exacted by police under duress, are suspect, and I doubt if that is down to Prof Loftus. Military interrrogation, etc has long used all manner of mind-bending techniques. And as for the clandestine services...

Unfortunately, in the case of Professor Loftus, there is another aspect of common-sense she appears to be blind to; namely that to persuasively implant an idea concerning a stranger's identity, in the matter of a crime against property, for example, would be something altogether different from and immeasurably less emotionally fraught, than implanting the idea, for example, that your father molested or raped you as a child. I doubt if there is a single area with more nightmarish potential for most human beings than the matter of sexual violation. Mental illness might be comparable, but that is perhaps why they are often associated.

[malaise]

6. Thanks for this Kpete

Go Fitz.

[kimmerspixelated]

7. Ooooh! Baby !!Fitz baby

In action. Excuse me, is it hot in here?!

[Lars39]

10. K&R

Fitzkick :kick:

[spuddonna]

11. My favorite quote from the article:

"Fitzgerald challenged the validity of memory research. Citing footnotes in her publications, presenting conflicting statements and questioning her methodology, Fitzgerald got Loftus to acknowledge that a statement in one of her research papers was taken out of context and that a figure in one of her books was incorrect."

:evilgrin:

Thank you for this, kpete! You are like the NewsSanta! :) K&R!

[stop the bleeding]

27. yep - ditto on the quote and ditto on kpete

*snicker* Fitz is going to destroy Fibby's defense

[kpete]

32. always HAVE to say hello

when I see you - Peace!

[lovuian]

13. Liars 1 Believers 0

Good for Fitzgerald

[BuyingThyme]

29. I don't understand the scoring system.

[moodforaday]

15. The flip side of Patrick Fitzgerald

I know Fitz was welcomed on DU as a hero in the making, but so far the hero has been a no-show, really... Meanwhile, Peter Dale Scott provides an interesting glimpse of his previous activities, related to the various botched 9-11 investigations. I saw PDS in Berkeley, along with David Ray Griffin, Ray McGovern and others, and to me this was the most intriguing thing that evening. You can get the complete audio recording from Guns and Butter:
http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=145

Or see this article by Peter Dale Scott, excerpted below:

In our book, 9/11 and Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out, I write of Ali Mohamed, the close ally of Osama bin Laden and his mentor Ayman al-Zawahiri.<7> It is now generally admitted that Ali Mohamed worked for the FBI, the CIA, and U.S. Special Forces. The 9/11 Report mentioned him, and said that the plotters against the U.S. Embassy in Kenya were "led" (their word) by Ali Mohamed.<8> That's the Report's only reference to him, though it's not all they heard.

Patrick Fitzgerald, U.S. Attorney who negotiated a plea bargain and confession from Ali Mohamed, said this in testimony to the Commission: "Ali Mohamed. ... trained most of al Qaeda's top leadership -- including Bin Laden and Zawahiri -- and most of al Qaeda's top trainers. He gave some training to persons who would later carry out the 1993 World Trade Center bombing..... From 1994 until his arrest in 1998, he lived as an American citizen in California, applying for jobs as an FBI translator."<9>

Patrick Fitzgerald knew Ali Mohamed well. In 1994 he had named him as an unindicted co-conspirator in the New York landmarks case, yet allowed him to remain free. This was because, as Fitzgerald knew, Ali Mohamed was an FBI informant, from at least 1993 and maybe 1989.<10> Thus, from 1994 "until his arrest in 1998 , Mohamed shuttled between California, Afghanistan, Kenya, Somalia and at least a dozen other countries."<11> Shortly after 9/11, Larry C. Johnson, a former State Department and CIA official, faulted the FBI publicly for using Mohamed as an informant, when it should have recognized that the man was a high-ranking terrorist plotting against the United States.<12>

(big snip here)

That Mohamed trained al Qaeda in hijacking planes and wrote the al Qaeda terrorist manual is confirmed in a new book by Lawrence Wright, who has seen US Government records.<17> Let me say this again: one of al-Qaeda's top trainers in terrorism and how to hijack airplanes was an operative for FBI, CIA, and the Army.

Yet this TV show, just before the 9/11 anniversary, was itself another cover-up. It suppressed for example the information given it about Mohamed's detention and FBI-ordered release in Canada. According to Peter Lance, the principal author for the show, the show suppressed many other sensational facts. Here is Lance's chief claim: that Fitzgerald and his FBI counterpart on the Bin Laden task force, John Cloonan, learned shortly after 9/11 that Mohamed "knew every twist and turn of" the 9/11 plot.<18>

(snip)

If all these latest revelations about Ali Mohamed are true, then:

1) a key planner of the 9/11 plot, and trainer in hijacking, was simultaneously an informant for the FBI.

2) This operative trained the members for all of the chief Islamist attacks inside the United States -- the first WTC bombing, the New York landmarks plot, and finally 9/11, as well as the attacks against Americans in Somalia and Kenya.

3) And yet for four years Mohamed was allowed to move in and out of the country as an unindicted conspirator. Then, unlike his trainees, he was allowed to plea-bargain. To this day he may still not have been sentenced for any crime.<20>

Peter Lance has charged that Fitzgerald had evidence before 1998 to implicate Mohamed in the Kenya Embassy bombing, yet did nothing and let the bombing happen.<21> Did Fitzgerald have similar advance evidence before the 9/11 attack, and again do nothing as well? Skeptics will need a lot of evidence to be reassured that this is not the case.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/3219

(Moderators - four paragraphs are not enough to distill the essence, so I'm quoting a little more. But it's still only a small part of the paper.)

To the extent this is valid information - I'm not sure about Peter Lance, but I do trust Peter Dale Scott - it casts a different light on Fitzgerald's allegiance.

In other words, if Fitzgerald is the only legal recourse against the various doings of the current administration, I won't be holding my breath.

[KoKo]

17. Fitz seems to be a "by the book lawyer" and so we should look on

whatever cases he's handled with that view in mind. We DEMOCRATS needed a PRO-ACTIVE Lawyer who maybe would fudge a little here and there to bring the Criminals to JUSTICE! Given the Criminal/Crime Family we were and are dealing with ...a "by the book lawyer" might just be too cautious and couched in legalese to really go after the CRIMINAL FAMILY in the way their OWN LAWYERS would operate.

I still have praise for Fitz for his long cases in Chicago...but we don't have time to wait until Fitz is old and grey to see JUSTICE for the HELL we've lived under the Bush Crime Family.

It will take higher than FITZ to bring these WAR CRIMINALS to JUSTICE!!!!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

26. A lawyer who would "fudge a little" to get a conviction is not a good lawyer.

In fact, he would be a disgrace to his profession. The integrity of our justice system, as cumbersome as it often is, depends on lawyers, and *especially* prosecutors, taking seriously the oath they made to uphold the Constitution -- which means they never, ever cut corners. Isn't this exactly what we deplore about Bush's prosecution of suspected enemy combatants? That he ignores the presumption of innocence and doesn't want to go by the book -- the "book" being the Constitution, the rules of criminal procedure and the Geneva conventions? If we want our guys to cut those corners, we're no better they are. Justice is blind. Period. You never, ever "fudge" to get a conviction.

[KoKo]

41. I said that badly .....and agree with you. I really should have said "more

agressive or "pro-active in pursuit"...and not fudging. Sorry about that...too late to edit and clarify.

[Missy Vixen]

19. Considering the fact that Peter Lance's sourcing was so poor

National Geographic stripped his "facts" out of their 9/11 documentary, I can't understand citing him as a source at all.

Julie

[Generator]

25. I don't think Fitzgerald is in a conspiracy about 9/11

However, the similarity between leaving this Mohammad an un-indicted co-conspirator in the New York landmarks case, and allowing him to remain free-is EXACTLY what he has done with Rove. Let him go free to terrorize more of America. It really stands out. Sometimes justice is a bigger picture than one fish to fry-I don't think Fitz gets this-and maybe the kind of justice that actually saves lives and civilizations is something lost in his boyscout vision of the world.

[yodermon]

37. I love these Fitzgerald hit pieces

that have been coming from the "left" over the past few months. :rofl:

[moodforaday]

45. You "love" them, but you don't have an argument, right?

Or if you do, please lay it out. For the time being, excuse me for taking Peter Dale Scott's word (you know who he is, and what he's written, don't you?) over yours. And what has Fitzgerald actually done, other than raise high hopes? Has he indicted Cheney yet only we haven't been told about it? For all the noise about what he is going to do, there has been very little substance. You know, I also "love" the unearned trust people put in Fitzgerald, exalting over him like he's right out of V for Vendetta. That was a movie, this is real life.

[Missy Vixen]

52. I'm happy to answer your questions

>And what has Fitzgerald actually done, other than raise high hopes?<

He's done his job. He's upheld the rule of law, which is a hell of a lot more than others I could name.

>Has he indicted Cheney yet only we haven't been told about it?<

Does it occur to you that Cheney will be unavailable to testify in Libby's case if he is indicted prior to its beginning on January 16th? He needs that testimony. Anyone who thinks Cheney is not going to have an experience on the witness stand that makes Elizabeth Lofton's look like a walk in the park should rethink.

>That was a movie, this is real life.<

This is real life. He's charging what he knows he'll be able to come away with a conviction for.

Julie

[Olney Blue]

30. Fitz systematically destroyed Libby's witness on the stand.

WaPo said that Libby's defense team "could not be reached for comment."

[Me.]

33. Libby's Memory Expert Has Memory Problems

From The Same Article

"One of those moments came when Loftus insisted that she had never met Fitzgerald. He then reminded her that he had cross-examined her before, when she was an expert defense witness and he was a prosecutor in the U.S. attorney's office in New York."

*shadow government*

[Joe Chi Minh]

47. In other words, "nuff said....

[Buzz Clik]

36. blah. Libby is the sacrificial lamb on a minor charge.

The big fish got away.

[Hubert Flottz]

40. ‘Arragghrrorwr!’

I'll bet she remembers Scooter's Book...

SCOOTER’S SEX SHOCKER

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/051107ta_talk_collins

What WILL we tell the children?

[seemslikeadream]

42. Loftus defends perps in Wenatchee Sex Ring Case

http://faculty.washington.edu/eloftus/


Articles
"Make-believe memories," American Psychologist (November 2003).
"Our changeable memories: legal and practical implications," in Nature Reviews: Neuroscience (2003).
"Memory Faults and Fixes" in Issues in Science & Technology (2002; publication of the National Academies of Science)
"Who Abused Jane Doe?" in The Skeptical Inquirer (2002)
"Make my Memory" in Psychology & Marketing (2002)
"Imagination and...power" in The Psychologist (2001)
"Memory's Future" in Psychology Today (2001)
"Changing Beliefs About Implausible Events " in Journal of Experimental Psychology: Applied (2001)
"Dream Interpretation and False Beliefs," in Professional Psychology (1999)
"The Price of Bad Memories" in The Skeptical Inquirer (1998)
"Advertising's Misinformation Effect" in Applied Cognitive Psychology (1998)
"Creating False Memories" in Scientific American (1997)
"Imagination Inflation" in Psychonomic Bulletin and Review (1996)
Information about, and a chapter from, The Myth of Repressed Memory (1994)
"The Reality of Repressed Memories" in American Psychologist (1993)
"Misinformation and Memory" in Journal of Experimental Psychology:G (1989)


http://www.raven1.net/napolis1.htm

Some of the people I was following over the past several years are:

Lt. Col. Michael Aquino, cult leader of a satanic organization called the Temple of Set. He was a High Priest while simultaneously serving in the armed forces as a military intelligence operative and psychological/propaganda warfare expert. Lt. Col. Aquino was processed out of the Army Active Reserves in 1990 after a ritual child molestation investigation.
Peter and Pamela Freyd, founders of the False memory Syndrome Foundation (FMSF).

John M. Price, Ph.D., co-moderator of the newsgroup Sci.psychology.psychotherapy.moderated - affiliated with University of California (UC)- Davis.

Ralph Underwager, Ex-advisory Board Member of the FMSF, who claimed pedophilia was “God’s will” in the journal Paidika. See: http://www.nostatusquo.com/ACLU/NudistHallofShame/Underwager2.html

Phil Shaver, Ph.D., from UC Davis, co-wrote a research study, which I was questioning, entitled “Characteristics of Ritual Abuse Allegations”.

Leslie E. Packer, Ph.D., a self-described “child advocate and Tourettes Syndrome Specialist” from the New York area.

John Singleton, aka “Raven”, wrote in the newsgroup, Sci.psychology.psychotherapy.

Nancy Alvarado, Ph.D., affiliated with UC San Diego.

John Clark, affiliated with UC San Diego.

R. Christopher Barden, JD, Ph.D., lawyer and psychologist who works with the FMSF and threatened to sue me in 1998 when we were both covering a Federal Trial from opposite perspectives.

Roby Roberson, alleged perpetrator, Wenatchee Sex Ring Case.

Carol Hopkins and Mark Sauer, from San Diego. Ms. Hopkins was Deputy Foreperson for, and co-authored, the 1991-1992 San Diego Grand Jury Report No. 8, "Child Sexual Abuse, Assault, and Molest Issues". She defended alleged perpetrators in the Wenatchee Sex Ring Case and in Cuernevaca, Mexico. Mark Sauer is a reporter for the San Diego Union-Tribune.

Elizabeth Loftus; Ph.D., memory researcher and FMSF Advisory Board member. She defended alleged perpetrators in the Wenatchee Sex Ring Case.

Lorne D. Gilsig, ex-LAPD officer and colleague of Lt. Col. Michael Aquino.

David Pierce, computer expert from Austin, Texas, possibly working with SETI programs.

Gary Schons, Attorney General Representative, San Diego, and legal counsel for the 1991-1992 San Diego Grand Jury Report No. 8, "Child Sexual Abuse, Assault, and Molest Issues". David G. Hall, reportedly a physicist intern affiliated with UC Irvine.

Ron Locklin, a computer programmer, reportedly working with SETI programs, is an ex-employee of Livermore Lab.

Scott Locklin, aka Lupo Le Boucher, satanist, physics major, computer expert, possibly working with SETI programs, reported ex-employee of the National Security Agency , and affiliated with UC Davis after graduating from University of Pennsylvania.

Jeanette Runyan, from the Order of Astarte.

Tanya Lysenko, aka Tani Jantsang, satanist who publicly stated I should be dismembered after my identity was discovered, and reportedly has an uncle in the KGB in Russia.

Kevin Filan is from the Church of Satan.

Zeena LaVey, lives and works with Michael Aquino.

Michelle Devereaux, satanist, computer expert, and co- moderator of the WITCHHUNT EGROUPS LIST.


http://www.rickross.com/reference/false_memories/fsm63.html
Elizabeth Loftus is a cognitive psychologist whose research into how memory works is so deep and so wide and so highly regarded that the April issue of The Review of General Psychology ranked her 58th among the top 100 psychologists of the 20th century. She is the highest-ranking woman on the list. She is also one of the 25 psychologists most often cited in psychology textbooks. She is also controversial.

[seemslikeadream]

44. memory expert forgets!

memory expert forgets! :rofl:


http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Memory_expert_in_CIA_leak_case_1027.html

Memory expert in CIA leak case forgot that she met prosecutor before

"One of those moments came when Loftus insisted that she had never met Fitzgerald," the article continues. "He then reminded her that he had cross-examined her before, when she was an expert defense witness and he was a prosecutor in the U.S. attorney's office in New York."

[Ian David]

43. What? No "aggressive interogation techniques?" n/t

[blogslut]

48. I dig Raw Story's headline

Memory expert in CIA leak case forgot that she met prosecutor before

heehee

[devilgrrl]

49. FITZ=BFD!

He has accomplished NOTHING!!! Big deal, he talked to a witness. Nothing will come of it.

[blogslut]

50. okay

Have fun with that!

[devilgrrl]

53. None of those people will suffer anything for the last 6 years.

forgive my pessimism. :shrug:

[Catherine Vincent]

51. Yes you are right. BFD!

Big, Fine and Delicious!

;-)

[lonestarnot]

54. Go straight for the jugular Fitzie!