N Korea Test Was PLUTONIUM: Produced Under Bush I or Bush II - NOT Clinton

[kpete]

Tuesday, October 17, 2006

North Korea test was plutonium: produced under Bush I or Bush II, not Clinton
by AJ in DC - 10/17/2006 09:41:00 AM


The official word on North Korea's nuclear test is that the detonation was a nuclear event with a sub-kilo explosion, which matches what you've been reading on this site since the day after the test. Atmospheric sampling detected radiological emissions, confirming that the test was not an elaborate fake, but rather a semi-failed nuclear explosion.

The tests also showed that the bomb was made with plutonium and not uranium. For everybody unfamiliar with the arcane details of nuclear weapons, this is another nail in the coffin of the "Clinton's fault!" meme.

The New York Times explains:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/world/asia/17diplo.html?_r=1&hp&ex=1161057600&en=5178189fc23c852c&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=slogin

North Korean Fuel Identified as Plutonium

The intelligence agencies' finding that the weapon was based on plutonium strongly suggested that the country's second path to a nuclear bomb — one using uranium — was not yet ready. As president, Mr. Clinton negotiated a deal that froze the production and weaponization of North Korea's plutonium, but intelligence agencies later determined that North Korea began its secret uranium program under his watch. The plutonium that North Korea exploded was produced, according to intelligence estimates, either during the administration of the first President Bush or after 2003, when the North Koreans threw out international inspectors and began reprocessing spent nuclear fuel the inspectors had kept under seal.

more at:
http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/10/north-korea-test-was-plutonium.html

[stop the bleeding]

1. *snicker*

good work kpete

[kpete]

8. and GOOD MORNING

to you too!

[YOY]

2. Shhhhhh!

You're ruining their already ruined mantra!: 'Clinton's fault...Clinton's fault...Clinton's fault...Clinton's fault...Clinton's fault...Clinton's fault..."

[Tesha]

3. If they got even a low yield from a Plutonium implosion design...

If they got even a low yield from a Plutonium implosion design
then they're much farther along than I expected.

Whenever I've spoken here about anyone building their first
nuclear weapon, I've always referred to Uranium "Gun type"
bombs. Given the uranium, these are ridiculously easy to
build and operate; any of us could do it. When we blew up
Hiroshima, it was with a gun type device *WHOSE DESIGN
HAD NEVER EVEN BEEN TESTED*. We designed it, built
one, dropped it, and vaporized a city on the first try.

By comparison, a plutonium "implosion" type weapon is a
much-more sophisticated device with lots of tricky things
that have to be gotten just right. Nagasaki was our second
implosion type device; the "Trinity" test at Alamagordo
was the prototype device.

The advantage to an implosion weapon is (potentially) much
higher yield from a physically-small package; just the sort
of thing you'd want for a rocket-carried weapon.

This particular shit puddle is much deeper than I expected.

Tesha

[drm604]

7. You're right.

This is NOT something to snicker over. Given the choice between the Repubs having the talking point and NK having a plutonium bomb, I'd have prefered the Repubs getting to keep the talking point.

[stepnw1f]

4. haha.... Buh Bye GOP Talking Point (nt)

[Warpy]

5. Stupid sent them 95 million of our dollars

to mothball those Stalinist era plutonium producing plants and build a couple of shiny new Western style power plants, then inexplicably withdrew the requirement that the plants all be inspected: the old ones to make sure they were mothballed and no plutonium was being processed, and the new ones to make sure they were both operational and safe.

This is Stupid's fault, 100% of it. The blame can go nowhere else.

[babylonsister]

6. So what about the suspected 2nd nuke that was about to be launched?

Do ya think someone's trying to scare us?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2565151

[bananas]

9. k&r - one more vote needed for the greatest page. nt

[spanone]

10. This means nothing to the warmongers...nuclear is nuclear to them

and Clinton was responsible for ALL OF IT. :sarcasm:

[wholetruth00]

11. Somebody call Hannity and tell him. Scarborough too.

[NoAmericanTaliban]

12. I'm confused now. Is it Clintons or Carters fault?

The right will twist the facts so that it is the fault of one of them if not both. They certainly don't want to confuse the discussion with facts. That is always a sign of a good leader to blame someone else.

[SammyWinstonJack]

13. knr

[glitch]

14. Facts are irrelevant to "reality creators"

They'll just lie a little louder until everyone believes them. Or ignores them, which is the usual fate of liars.

[davekriss]

15. Another unambiguous total failure of the Bush Regime

Amazing how little, still, this abysmal failure of a human being has been held accountable for over his life. Priviledges of the over-class, I guess. :(