Tomorrow - a U.S. Senator will be outed on Ed Schultz.

[DURHAM D]

The guy at blogactive.com has "The List" (or made The List) and will be telling Ed which of the nineteen of twenty men listed are not having sex with men. Every Senator on his list is a Repug.

[Gabi Hayes]

1. Kay Bailey Hutchinson one of the 19 not having sex with men?

[SoFlaJet]

19. LOL

funny one Gabi

[Subdivisions]

55. Ugh...my head hurts everytime I see or hear

that name. I would so like to see her go but it would seem that Barbara Ann Radnofsky never stood a chance.

[Ioo]

73. Gross, I would not poke her with a stolen dingaling...

She made me gay!

[Gabi Hayes]

174. n the words of Jeffrey Ross, speaking of Dr. Ruth Westheimer:

''I wouldn't f*** her with Bea Arthur's dick.''

[Perky]

135. well we have to wonder about liddy dole

given hubby's struggles....lol

[LSparkle]

2. McConnell's my guess

His wife just seems too "beard"y to me (bitch Elaine "Oppressor of Labor" Chao).

[DURHAM D]

3. McConnell is not on the list. n/t

[calimary]

139. I'd say orrin hatch.

n/t

[Raksha]

148. Orrin Hatch...that would be my guess too. I know it seems strange

but that's the first name that's struck a chord with me.

[hang a left]

207. Isn't it obvious it is going to be Lindsey Graham?? nt

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

168. I'd LOVE it to be Hatch. Copyright nazis can go fuck themselves.

This, and all the OTHER bad things he has.

[noamnety]

77. As someone with a friend who is "beardy"

and who doesn't appreciate the word "bitch" as it is a gender slur, I'm not too impressed with this post.

[smoogatz]

86. I've used the word "bitch" to describe plenty of men.

It's more of an attitude thing, these days. And I don't think the previous poster meant "a person with overabundant facial hair" when he/she said "beardy."

[noamnety]

96. I understand people use it as an insult to men

that doesn't make it any less of a gender slur - it just incorporates the idea that it's an insult for a man to act like a woman.

Racial slurs are used against white folks, too, doesn't make them any less racist.

I'll have to plead ignorance, then, regarding the implication of why this guy might be gay if his wife seems "beardy" if that ain't an insult related to gender. Maybe someone can explain that to me.

[bobbolink]

Thank you, lwfern! The gender slurs here are indeed unnecessary

and very irritating.

There are so many other words to be used.

Thanks for trying to educate and inform. I'm so discouraged that after all these years, we're sliding right back into the sexist crap. And this time, there's even more resistance to hearing and cleaning up one's act.

[peacetalksforall]

176. Freedom of speech doesn't equate to a person not being able

to figure out the difference between a private setting in a bar with like minded buddies and an international internet medium.

Slurring an entire group of people?

[bobbolink]

222. And, freedom of speech doesn't mean dismissing nonviolent

communication.

These simple concepts are at the bottom of how wars start.

Unnecessary.

Thanks for your input! :hi:

[smoogatz]

113. Happy to.

A beard is someone you marry (or date) to hide the fact that you're gay. And no, I don't use the word "bitch" to describe men who are acting like women. I use it to describe men who are petty, backstabbing, short-tempered, conniving or otherwise more trouble than they're worth. I certainly don't see those as uniquely feminine attributes--I doubt that anyone does. It's the current usage, I'm pretty sure.

On edit: I agree with you that "bitch" is a very loaded word; it's not one I use in even semi-polite company. But I don't agree that the attributes of which it's descriptive are inherently female or feminine. But I'm a lot pickier about precision in language than most people.

[noamnety]

143. A thanks and a disagreement

Thanks for the explanation of the term, I hadn't heard that before. I'm not sure what makes a person "seem beardy" but I do appreciate the explanation.

As for the term bitchy, the reason it's come into common usage to mean petty, backstabbing, short-tempered, conniving, etc. isn't that those are inherently female traits. It's because those traits have been stereotypically attributed to women.

It's kind of like how "gay" has come to mean anything unlikable or stupid. My kids in school sometimes say "eww, that's gay." (Or at least they did til I put it in my classroom policy that that's not tolerated.) The fact that it's come to have a negative meaning isn't a coincidence - it's all wrapped up with the word's history. So if you use the word gay to mean bad, I hear "this is bad just like being gay is bad." And when you use the word bitch to mean conniving and petty, the undertone of the stereotype is embedded into the meaning.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

142. "Beard" is a term specifically referring to wives/girlfriends who provide

"cover" for a gay man masquerading as hetero.

The "beard" I presume represents the masculinity lacking in the male. But the term as used in the post you are responding to was not, I think, the meaning you were thinking of, but this specific meaning of women who provide cover for the "down low" gay man.

[flyarm]

171. i say Lindsay Graham...thats my guess!!..and i am sticking to it! n/t

[TheDebbieDee]

4. It'll probably be somebody obvious, like Lindsay Graham!

[DURHAM D]

5. He is not on the list. n/t

[TheDebbieDee]

6. Really? Color me surprised! Where is the list, anyway?

I'd like to check it out!

[DURHAM D]

7. blogactive.com - I don't know how to do the "link" thing. n/t

[INdemo]

60. Here's the link....

http://blogactive.com/

[hang a left]

208. aah, just scrolled down to your post. My first thought as well.

responded upthread.

[AlCzervik]

8. David Vitter, thats my guess.

[DURHAM D]

9. I have two guesses -

Thune of SD or Cornyn of Texas

[AlCzervik]

10. i've thought about Thune before, it could be him but i reallt think

wether Vitter is outed or not that he is gay. The most hilarious one imo would be Sessions.

[SammyWinstonJack]

I hope it's Cornyn! I can't stand that jerk!

[ewagner]

105. I think you're right

If I remember correctly, the current Governor of Texas was supposedly linked with a gay encounter and Coryn was close to "Governor Goodhair" according to Molly Ivans.....

we'll see but I that scandal was hushed up very quickly.

[Rockholm]

13. Thad Cochran. (MS)

[pacalo]

114. I'd love for it to be Vitter.

Back in 2002 when Vitter was running for governor, he was exposed as having had an 11-mo. affair with a prostitute in New Orleans.

As Vitter geared up in 2002 to run for governor, his bitter race against Treen came back to haunt him. A Treen supporter, local Republican Party official Vincent Bruno, blurted out on a radio show that he believed Vitter had once had an extramarital affair.

The Louisiana Weekly newspaper followed up. Bruno told the paper that the young woman had contacted the Treen campaign in 1999 because she was upset that Vitter was portraying himself as a family-values conservative and trotting out his wife and children for campaign photo ops. Bruno, who declined to comment for this story, and John Treen interviewed the woman, who said she had worked under the name "Leah."

But after nearly a year of regular paid assignations with Vitter, the lawmaker asked her to divulge her real name, according to Treen, citing the account he said she gave him. Her name was Wendy Cortez, Treen said. She said Vitter's response was electric. "He said, 'Oh, my God! I can't see you anymore," John Treen told me, citing the woman's account to him and noting that Vitter's wife is also named Wendy. And Wendy Vitter does not appear to be the indulgent type.

And the juiciest, most ironic part of the Salon story...

Asked by an interviewer in 2000 whether she could forgive her husband if she learned he'd had an extramarital affair, as Hillary Clinton and Bob Livingston's wife had done, Wendy Vitter told the Times-Picayune: "I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me."

more of Salon article here

[liberalmuse]

11. I don't like this "outing" thing, unless...

the person being outed is a homophobic "family values" hypocrite in Congress. Being that the list is 100% Republican, the odds are he is.

Spelling is such a small thing, and yet...

[Gabi Hayes]

21. agreed....pugs will use this just like Macacawitz is using Webb's

statements about women in the military aginst him in NORTHERN Va, where all the wimmins' libbers are

just as they love to play the race card with the likes of Clarence Thomas, or any other Pugtom who gets criticized for being a RW trog

[hootinholler]

88. That being said...

GAWD I hope it's Roberts.

-Hoot

[KansDem]

186. THAT would make my day!

:D

Pat Roberts on Civil Rights
Click here for 11 full quotes on Civil Rights OR background on Civil Rights.
Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
Voted YES on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
Require 90 day delay for compliance before ADA lawsuits. (May 2002)
Limit interstate class-action lawsuits to federal courts . (May 2002)
Rated 20% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)

On the Issues

[eleny]

23. Looks like he will be outing a gay but anti-gay voting Senator

http://www.blogactive.com/

[smoogatz]

87. Perfectly appropriate, IMO.

The public has a right to know who they're voting for.

[Mabus]

106. He *is* a homophobic "family values" hypocrite in the Senate

http://www.blogactive.com/2006/01/mister-senator.html

Mr. Senator:

Tomorrow you will be faced with a vote that may have the longest after effects of any other you have cast in your Senate career.

Tomorrow you will decide if your political position is worth more than doing what is right for others like you. For others like you, Mr. Senator, who engage in oral sex with other men. (Although, Mr. Senator, most of us don't do in the bathrooms of Union Station!) Your fake marriage, by the way, will NOT protect you from the truth being told on this blog.

How does this blog decide who to report on? It's simple. We report on hypocrites. In this case, hypocrites who vote against the gay and lesbian community while engaging in gay sex themselves*.

***

UPDATE: Some of you have asked if he will be outed tomorrow. No. The blog will report on this closeted Republican Senator between tomorrow and a time when it may most impact the reelection effort of the Senator. Just because the Democratic establishment has given up the fight for our Nation, doesn't mean this site will...

As for why out this one and not others who are also "homophobic, family-values hypocrites"? I believe Mr. Rogers has proof of this Senator's indiscretions. Not just rumors but proof.

[stepnw1f]

12. hmmmmmmm.... who will it be?

Probably the most rabid anti-gay legislator there is in the GOP. It wouldn't surprise me....

[DURHAM D]

15. That would be Inhofe of Oklahoma -but, I don't think its him. n/t

[City Lights]

14. Here's the list:

Robert F. Bennett (R-UT)
Jim Bunning (R-KY)
Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Thad Cochran (R-MS)
Norm Coleman (R-MN)
John Cornyn (R-TX)
Larry E. Craig (R-ID)
Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Jim DeMint (R-SC)
Michael B. Enzi (R-WY)
James M. Inhofe (R-OK)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
Mel Martinez (R-FL)
Pat Roberts (R-KS)
Jeff Sessions (R-AL)
Richard C. Shelby (R-AL)
John Thune (R-SD)
David Vitter (R-LA)
George V. Voinovich (R-OH)

http://blogactive.com/

[DURHAM D]

18. Thanks for your assistance. n/t

[City Lights]

24. My pleasure...

:hi:

[MidwestTransplant]

22. Martinez, Coleman or Cornyn is my guess

2nd tier candidates are Thune and ol' Saxby.

[DURHAM D]

25. A lot of nervous Senators are probably having a serious

conversation with their wife tonight. A conversation that they have put off for years,if not decades.

[City Lights]

35. I have no idea who will be named, but I'd like it to be

Inhofe, Craig, Chambliss, or Sessions.

edited to add Sessions

[TroglodyteScholar]

92. Chambliss would make my day..n/t

[elehhhhna]

75. Let it be coleman. lol

[gully]

205. I'd love that! But, I doubt it is.

He's known as a womanizer.

[moc]

91. God, how I hope it's Cornyn.

I truly hate that SOB.

:mad:

[LSparkle]

28. OK, let me get this straight (!) -- only ONE of these guys ISN'T ...

having sex with men?

Hi-larious, I tell you!!!

[eleny]

32. no, he claims that only one *is*

[LSparkle]

43. Oh man, I have to go home now ... My brain is obviously FRIED

[calico1]

48. ROFL! n/t

[eomer]

164. I think that should be: he only claims that one "is"

I think that's what you meant so please take this as a "friendly amendment".

(IOW, he's not making any claims about the other 19, one way or the other).

[sandnsea]

37. God let it be Jeff Sessions

I've always had my suspicions about him, but lord knows I've got NO "gaydar" because I didn't have a clue about Foley or anybody else really. Somebody's sexual orientation doesn't enter my mind.

[Parche]

49. sessions

Sessions is the biggest ignorant windpipe in the Senate

[in_cog_ni_to]

68. Voinovich. Remember when he started crying on the Senate floor over the

Bolton nomination (? was it)....who wants to bet he was threatened by the repukes with THIS info?

My guess is Voinovich.

[IndyOp]

72. I think Voinovich was crying because he is a decent man -

who was terrified about the goals of this administration. He could be a decent, gay man - of course - but I didn't take his crying to be 'gay' or 'straight'.

:shrug:

[lebkuchen]

212. Agreed. Voinovich. He has 3 kids, 7 grandkids

loves to saber-rattle Iran and commit troops to war, but has no military experience himself.

He's got the family "cover" (he probably "inadvertantly" refers to his wife a dozen times a day) and the macho "let's go to war cause I'm tough" image down pat.

If not gay, then bi.

[roguevalley]

109. Isn't Imhofe? And I ask that having both Don Young and Ted Stevens

in my state. I thought Imhofe was the worst. :)

[calico1]

38. Norm Coleman I bet. n/t

[TahitiNut]

69. Yep. That's my bet. Normie, Normie, Normie.

:eyes:

[calico1]

74. Did I miss something?

:shrug:

[Generic Other]

129. He certainly SEEMS obsessed by gay issues...

:shrug:

Coleman opposes the legal recognition of same-sex marriages or civil unions by either the federal or state governments.

* As mayor of St. Paul, Coleman voted against an effort to repeal a city law which prohibited discrimination based on sexual orientation.
* Coleman refused, the eight years he was Mayor of Saint Paul, to sign a city proclamation celebrating the annual gay pride festival, even though his two predessors and seccessors have.<9>
* While running for Governor of Minnesota in 1998, Coleman's campaign ran radio ads that attacked his DFL opponent Skip Humphrey for his support of same-sex marriage.
* In his 2002 Senate campaign, Coleman pledged support for a proposed amendment to the United States Constitution that would ban any state from recognizing either same-sex marriage or similar civil unions.
* In 2004, Coleman voted to end a bipartisan filibuster on that proposed amendment to the Constitution (Senate vote 155, July 14, 2004). The vote failed 48-50. He voted again with proponents of a constitutional amendment prohibiting same-sex marriage in June 2006.<10>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_Coleman

[Dinger]

44. Gotta Be coleman

I'll be shocked if it's anybody else.

[leftchick]

45. Burr!!!!!

Please let it be Burr!!!

[FreeState]

51. It is...

Here is my guess...

Blog active asked this in the beggining of Septemeber:

Does anyone know the date after which candidates for Federal office cannot be taken off the ballot and replaced with another name in North Carolina, Georgia, Illinois and Texas? Thanks!

So it looks like it is one of these:

Richard Burr (R-NC)
Saxby Chambliss (R-GA)
Johnny Isakson (R-GA)
John Cornyn (R-TX)

[DURHAM D]

61. Sorry - none of these guys are up for re-election.

He has some House members on the list also - perhaps saving a surprise from one of those three states for later.

[eleny]

70. Chambliss is overdue for visit from karma

[Scout1071]

Please let it be Pat Roberts, please let it be Pat Roberts,

oh pretty please.

I doubt it is, but this Kansan would laugh.

[zulchzulu]

54. So what do we do when the guy gets outed? Stone him to death?

I don't give a rat's ass if some guy is straight or gay that votes against gays. It's the laws that are passed that are the problem.

It just makes Dems look bad by even considering it an "issue". We should be more above board than that.

[DURHAM D]

66. "Its the laws that are passed ...." What do Senators do?

[w13rd0]

103. Stone him?

No, he gets offered a book deal, and then we dress him up and force him to lead the next pride march!

[mondo joe]

124. What do we do? We exploit their political vulnerability.

The anti gay party is actually fine with gays but just tote the line to pander to fundies.

That's a wedge.

[Selatius]

158. A destructive wedge to use against Repubs.

Politics is a dish best served cold.

[Cha]

58. When I first read about this my

first thought was "norm coleman"..but I wasn't going to say anything. I see he's on the "list", though.

How weird is all of this?

[dflprincess]

81. I don't think it's Norm Coleman as he has quite the reputation

for chasing women. Unless he's over compensating for being Gay, after all, that's what Ann Coulter said Clinton is doing.:evilgrin:

[Doctor_J]

98. Inhofe would be the most riotous

I just hope they go through with this - not chicken out.

[OzarkDem]

108. Voino is on the list?

Now that would be too funny..

[fujiyama]

121. That is like

a "worst of the worst" list.

I think it's Norm, or maybe Bunning, who is also batshit crazy. I have to say I lost some respect for KT when they reelected that lunatic.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

122. If Minnesota gossip is correct, it's NOT Norm Coleman

:evilgrin:

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

182. Indeed, Lydia.

:evilgrin:

[chat_noir]

16. The List on blogactive.com

[confludemocrat]

31. My "gaydar" tells me it's Jeff Sessions of Alabama or Vitter of LA

they simply look gay

not gay myself (not that there's anything wrong with that) but believe they are spottable

[nealmhughes]

53. Every time I see Little Jeffie on TV, I always think he missed his calling

as a beauty pageant promoter or poodle groomer... No flames please, just good natured stereotyping that many years of Advanced Gaydarology have enabled me to hone to a fine level...

But a very close friend of mine did an internship with his office around 02 or 03 and says that he "acts mighty gay, but I don't think he is".

I've always wondered about Miss Lindsay Graham also....

p.s. I'm a raging gay homosexual faggot myself...but it never stopped my female undergraduate students from flirting, since I know how to change my own oil and put in a new toilet as well as bake a quiche from scratch....

[pacalo]

116. I've got the same "gaydar" feeling about Vitter

(& Sessions, too, now that you mention it :) ). Something in the way they carry themselves & the voices.

[TheDebbieDee]

17. Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas is gay?

What decent, self-respecting homosexual would want to bop him?

[DURHAM D]

20. My thought exactly - but, if he is paying ... n/t

[LSparkle]

30. Depends on whether he's taken his "memory pills" or not

[blm]

57. LOLOL

.

[Union Thug]

26. Bwahahaha.... The hypocrites deserve it. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. My Guess Is Jeff Sessions...

eom

[berni_mccoy]

29. This is 100% WRONG. I don't care who is being outed, hypocrite or not

outing a homosexual is absolutely wrong. We should not be looking forward to this, but insisting that Ed Shultz does not air this crap.

[Lurking Dem]

33. I heartily agree.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. What About The Hypocrisy?

What if a black person who could pass for white was a member of the Klan?

By the way I don't see anything shameful about being gay....

[calico1]

41. Exactly.

It's the hypocrisy. Aren't they hurting gays? Why would anyone want to defend them?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. If A Closeted Gay Dem Or Rep Was Supporting Pro-Gay Policies.

I would argue strongly to leave them alone...

But when you oppose in your public life what you favor in your private life your private life should be fair game...

[calico1]

50. My feelings exactly. Why would any

gay person want to defend people like this?

[berni_mccoy]

52. Is it ok to torture our enemies because they do it or are evil?

You can't selectively practice a technique that is completely wrong because one group justifies its use. Otherwise, you slip down the slippery slope.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. Torture Is Mala Per Se

I don't see how outing hypocrites is intrinsically evil...

[calico1]

59. Oh please...

Don't compare this to torture.

[sandnsea]

46. Wrong wrong wrong

Sorry, you don't get to hide behind a group of bullies who are smearing the group you're a part of. It isn't about being a hypocrite, it's about creating a hateful environment for gays and slandering everybody who supports gays, and not being honest about being one of those supposedly sinful gays while you're doing it. The Republican Party cannot concoct a phony morality based on gay bashing and then wink and nod when their own party is full of gays.

[Auntie Bush]

76. Now we know why Jeff Gannon was there so often.

He certainly had a lot of customers. Probably some Democrats too. Damn. That's probably why the story was hushed up so completely..

[roguevalley]

110. What about outing white supremists? Is it okay to not out their links

to extremist groups because they vote against a group? To me, its the same thing only worse. You are voting against your own group.

Would not outing nazis posing as jews be something people would feel badly about doing? Same with this issue. there are 'nazis' hiding among the 'jews' and killing them with their self loathing hatred.

[spoony]

156. You don't see the difference there???

Being a nazi white supremicist is inherently BAD and "outing" them is a service.

BEING GAY IS NOTHING LIKE BEING A NAZI!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

157. I'll See You And Raise You

Bashing gays is inherently BAD and "outing" gays who do that do them and all gays a service. That's a first step of freeing them from their self loathing...

[spoony]

160. Awfully presumptuous

(First of all, I wasn't commenting on the matter, just on the making such an asinine comparrison between outing gays and outing nazis)

But I'm very uncomfortable, to put it lightly, to decide for another person--no matter their party--when and how they deal with the often difficult matter of coming to terms with their sexuality, especially if they have such ingrained negative prejudices against gay people.

I'm no saint but this WILL rip people's lives apart, and I want no part of it.

[BR_Parkway]

161. Under cover, they have been trying to rip my life apart - they declared

war, decided we were sub-human, stoke the fear of The Gay and win elections. We're sick of it. They asked for this fight, knowing the risk they took that someone would find out the truth about them - and they fought it to win power, prestige and elections.

It was a gamble on their part - and yes, plenty of closted gays do some pretty self destructive things to push themselves out of the closet when they can't muster up the courage to do it for themselves.

And I say this as an openly out gay man, after 3 ex wives and 4 kids

I don't know, or care to know your orientation spoony. But I do care to not be used by these hypocrites any longer. I do care that my family not be devalued by these two faced SOB's so that they can get re-elected. And I'm fully supportive of publically disclosing the huge gap between their words and their actions.

Perhaps you should read this DU post:

Opposing "Outing" Is, In And Of Itself, Homophobic
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2410495&mesg_id=2410495

[mondo joe]

180. Of course politics and lies rip people's lives apart.

Who do you think chose to risk that?

[roguevalley]

227. I personally don't give a damn about this. They are hurting others

who are both in the closet and out. they deserve to be outed just like any other hater. forgive me if my sense of justice and niceness is different. to me, this is justice.

[pampango]

165. We have to out gays to prove that outing gays is inherently bad:( n/t

[mondo joe]

181. But outing gays isn't inherently bad.

And in many cases they are already KNOWN to be gay in the right crowds who keep it an "open secret".

[pampango]

183. There you have me. If it isn't inherently wrong, then I just grew

up in the wrong era. The right to privacy and acceptance of the sexual orientation of others are just so too important to me to sacrifice for the sake of partisan and electoral advantage.

Hopefully, you are right and we do not erode the former for the sake of the latter. I can't change, but I hope I am wrong in this instance.

[mondo joe]

184. You seem quite confused.

Who doing outing isn't acceppting sexual orientation?

And what right to privacy from the press do you think public figures have?

Moreover, what right do you think public figures have to commpell the press or citizens to be complicit in keeping their secrets?

[spoony]

185. So why is this plan being launched like shock and awe?

I'm not saying they aren't hypocrites. Or that their hypocrisy hasn't hurt people. But there's something about using a person's sexual orientation against them--because it is against them, it's to humiliate and expose them--which is just too far into the dark gray of the gray area for my taste.

[mondo joe]

188. Because it is politically advantageous to exploit this weakness.

It's not against them - it's against their anti gay platform.

[roguevalley]

226. you miss my point or I stated it badly. there is nothing different for

me between a closeted white supremist and a closeted gay who legislates against gays. they are both haters perpetuating hate crimes. Get it? (This is for the original poster to this side bar who is under the impression -FALSE IMPRESSION!!!!! - that I equate nazis with gays. SHEESH!

[spoony]

228. You stated it QUITE badly

And continue to do so. The groups you're talking about--white supremicists and nazis--are ALL haters and ALL inherently bad, so there's really no comparing "outing" them with outing gays, who are obviously NOT all haters nor inherently bad. That you'd continue to defend such a noxious analogy tells me there's not much point in going any further on the matter with you.

[donheld]

145. Hypocrites indeed should be outed

Whether it's homosexuality, klan membership or whatever. I look forward to Ed Shultz or anyone else who does so.

[orleans]

150. (out of the closets and into the streets! out of the closet and

into the streets!)

enough of this "christian values" "family values" crap!

when you are anti gay in your legislative dealings it comes down to THE HYPOCRISY!!!

(the same went with george allen and his racist bullshit)

[flyarm]

172. and if said senator or congressman is being blackmailed by the

White House or Pentagon..do we not have the right to know that..or how about a foreign nation..say Israel or Putin? do we not have the right to know the truth? if we are voting for these people and they are supposed to be representing us..and they are blackmailed like Hoover did to many ..who is being represented their lies or us??

If a person can not be honest about who they are..what else are they not honest about??

So who had their arms twisted to destroy our Habeas corpus?..and were their arms twisted because of their hidden life??

There is much more important things that effect 300 million Americans..but if one can be compromised to destroy our constitution..then i say out them..they had every right to out themselves..but when one hides truth..in one regard..they are hiding other things as well...and they are blackmail bait..or subject to coercion..and that certainly will not benefit 300 million Americans.

If they don't want to be outed, they should have gone into another field ..that didn't effect 300 million people, a constitution , the bill of rights, the possibility of wars, or the economy of this nation, and the health and well being of an entire citizenry!

they made a consious choice of becoming a public figure..and a representative of the people..
therefore their life is open to public scrutiny, simply because the public that vote for said person have the right to know who they are voting for honestly!

fly

[Gman]

36. Is he/she up for reelection this year?

If not what's the point in doing this?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. To Expose The Hypocrisy...

eom

[malaise]

39. The Democratic member of the Ethics Committee

said another person's name has been called in association with the page scandal (another Rethug).

[confludemocrat]

42. wanna guess again: John Thune, SD n/t

[democrank]

62. This is flat out wrong.

I don`t understand why any Democrat would support this.

[DURHAM D]

64. Its the hypocrisy. n/t

[Dr Fate]

82. Because Democrats should tell the truth about GOP liars & hypocrites...

...as opposed to letting them continue to attack us from their seat of dishonesty and hypocrisy.

[hogwyld]

117. I support it because it make the repugs look bad

And reveals their hypocrisy. I support anything that will humiliate, imprison, or destroy the repuglican party.

[mitchtv]

120. homophobes deserve it

Actually they deserve worse. How can you defend a gay baiting puke?.This is a war over MY freedom.

[mondo joe]

125. Nothing wrong with an informed electorate.

Nothing wrong with being gay.

Plenty wrong with hypocrisy.

[NoPasaran]

63. Do box turtles count?

10,000 quadloos on Cornyn!

[pampango]

65. I was comparing this outing of gays with the "outing" of

communists in the fifties by Joseph McCarthy. I wondered than whether this outing campaign might get out of hand, just as McCarthy's did.

Now there is a "list" of secret members of the target group. The comparison gets more and more interesting. I guess that as long as we can put the genie back in the bottle after the election, it will have served a good purpose.

[Dr Fate]

80. Which blacklisted Americans were being liars or hypocrites?

You are confusing innocent victims of the past with our not-so-innocent attackers of present.

[pampango]

162. Perhaps you know more about the McCarthy era than I do, but

my understanding is that some of his "victims" were "guilty" and some were not. He did become known for having a "list" of known communists.

His lists were more political weapons to bludgeon his opponents than well-researched documents. How does that compare to a list of 20 senators, in which 19 were included for some unknown reasons, when only one is "guilty." You could make the argument that the other 19 are being included, "on the list", for political reasons rather than the result of careful documentation.

[Raksha]

149. Selective outing will ALWAYS hurt Republicans more than Democrats.

That's because we don't use homophobia to GOTV.

[Johnny Appleseed]

67. I hope it's Coleman... (nt)

[Ian David]

71. Are those Vegas sportsbook people taking bets on this stuff? n/t

[StellaBlue]

78. Please let it be Cornyn

PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE

[Bucky]

146. Sorry, but those box turtles were female

and frankly, they've had better.

[Dr Fate]

79. Good-if it is a 100% factual accusation, then I have no problem. n/t

n/t

[la la]

83. Jeff Sessions n/t

[MelissaB]

85. Oh, please! Oh, please! Oh, please! This Alabama girl would just love

that. I'll even take Shelby. :rofl:

[B Calm]

123. I would almost bet it's Sessions!!!

[texasleo]

84. Santorum

You read it here first.

;)

[David Zephyr]

89. I hope they hurry up and do it with Dreier.

This will be great fun.

[Mabus]

90. Mister Senator - Mike Rogers making good on his promise from 1/30/06

Mike promised to give us this information a long time ago and now he's making good on it. See
http://www.blogactive.com/2006/01/mister-senator.html

Here's another clue taken from the excerpt below: "Your fake marriage, by the way, will NOT protect you from the truth being told on this blog."

I say, "go west young man."

Monday, January 30, 2006
Mister Senator...
This post will be read by thousands and thousands of people... It's directed at ONE person.

Mr. Senator:

Tomorrow you will be faced with a vote that may have the longest aftereffects of any other you have cast in your Senate career.

Tomorrow you will decide if your political position is worth more than doing what is right for others like you. For others like you, Mr. Senator, who engage in oral sex with other men. (Although, Mr. Senator, most of us don't do in the bathrooms of Union Station!) Your fake marriage, by the way, will NOT protect you from the truth being told on this blog.

How does this blog decide who to report on? It's simple. We report on hypocrites. In this case, hypocrites who vote against the gay and lesbian community while engaging in gay sex themselves*.

When you cast that vote, Mr. Senator, represent your own...it's the least you could do.

Michael Rogers
blogACTIVE.com

*While votes on many matters are considered, votes "FOR" either the Alito nomination and the Federal Marriage Amendment are enough to qualify legislators for reporting on this site.

Ladies and Gentlemen.... if they want a cultural war, I'll give them a fucking cultural war. Fasten your seatbelts, it's gonna be a bumpy 2006."

UPDATE: Some of you have asked if he will be outed tomorrow. No. The blog will report on this closeted Republican Senator between tomorrow and a time when it may most impact the reelection effort of the Senator. Just because the Democratic establishment has given up the fight for our Nation, doesn't mean this site will...

[DURHAM D]

95. Thanks for posting the back story. I have only recently

starting reading blogActive - had not seen this item.

OP

[Mabus]

100. I don't think a lot of people knew or remembered.

Just wanted to make sure that everyone knew that Rogers said he would do this earlier this year. I don't want people to think he is only doing it as part of a "Foley Fallout" thing. He's been talking about it for some time.

[DURHAM D]

104. There is thread floating around here tonight

about outing - grew out of this post.

If I had known this background I would of included and maybe the conversation about outing would not have taken off again. Frankly, I don't care what straight people think about outing. If we want to purge our group of the hypocrites that is our business.

[Mabus]

111. I met Mike earlier this year

My husband and I were attending the Take Back America conference in June. I met Mike there. I remembered his blog entry (it was posted here on DU) and I asked him about his outing people. He was very clear that it was about outing people who actively worked against the GLBT communities. I agreed with him.

I mean, if he wanted to he could print every rumor he heard and ruin a lot of careers. I'm also sure he could print a lot of what he actually knows and ruin a lot of careers that way too. The point in outing this particular "Mr. Family Values Homophobe" is because he is a hypocrite.

[David Zephyr]

93. Puulleaaaze! It's Normie Coleman, folks.

And he deserves being outed for being such a sanctimonious shit and for his unforgivable gamesmanship after the great Paul Wellstone's passing.

It's Coleman.

Yippeee!

[Dinger]

102. I Remember When That Sick Bastard Said He Was "99% Better Than Wellstone"

Looking for the link. Be right back . . . .

On edit, Here it is:
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0413-04.htm

". . . Specifically, people had been offended by this passage in the Capitol Hill daily: " 'To be very blunt, and God watch over Paul's soul, I am a 99 percent improvement over Paul Wellstone,' Coleman said . . . When pressed about the remaining 1 percent, Coleman sidestepped the issue . . . ."

[David Zephyr]

107. I remember it, too.

And I'm still pissed, Dinger.

I wish Paul could be around today to see how correct he was!

[poofer]

175. Yes I sure hope so

I can't stand to even look at him any more than I can stand to look or listen when the idiot* comes on tv. We also need to get rid of Pawlenty and it sounds good so far here in Minnesota.

[Pachamama]

94. My money is on Sessions of Alabama....

Although poetic justic would be that ultra-homophobe Inhofe....

:kick:

Normally I would be opposed to "outing" people against their will, but anyone, regardless of party affiliation, who is a closeted homosexual and yet votes against gay interests should be called out for their hypocrisy.

[Catherine Vincent]

97. I'm betting Lindsey Graham.

It's obvious.

on edit: I read up thread that it's not him. Okay I'm going with Thune. Jeff Gannon did work to get him elected after all. :-)

[David Zephyr]

99. Well, Graham is also gay.

So how do they eliminate it down to one when Coleman and Graham are both gay.

Also, Orin Hatch is homosexual, but his closet is like a fallout shelter.

[JI7]

154. Lindsey Graham is already out of the closet

this is someone who will be outed for the first time i assume.

[Perky]

177. He is not out of the closet...lol

He could no longer be a reserve JAG corps officer if he was.

[wishlist]

217. Fundy S.C. would have never elected Graham if he was openly gay

Although many DUers assume he is gay, his family values base including the Bob Jones crowd in S.C. does not make that assumption considering his military status and that he is so self-righteous.
But Repub attack ads were used in a threatening way against him when he spoke out against Bush's Social Security privatization plan and instead favored raising the wage cap and just tweaking SS. I suspect that the RW power base must think he is vulnerable to pressure him that way.

[blogslut]

118. Pimping Thune is how Jimmy Dale

...got his big start. Hmmm.

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

101. Norm Coleman

Would be my guess.

[Johnny Appleseed]

112. From Coleman's main page:

[Bucky]

136. Is this kid on the right his son?

I see a resemblance

[Johnny Appleseed]

137. Don't think so...

it just said young republicans, though of course I could be wrong. Don't know what his family looks like. And, oops, it didn't come from the main page:

http://www.colemanforsenate.com/index.asp?Type=GALLERY&SEC={0758A96B-EB5E-4CD4-B44D-3B0AC149037A}

[Johnny Appleseed]

140. damn, I guess he does have a 20 year old son too lol

so could be. Just thought that pic was sorta humorous in the current context.

[smoogatz]

115. God, let it be Inhofe.

How perfect would that be?

[Imagevision]

119. I know Frist is retiring but I hope it's him...! bigtime!

[chill_wind]

126. If only DU was as full of zealots anxious to "Out" all the closeted

Republican DINOS of our own, hiding in the Dem party and voting for the kind of broadly destructive policies that harm not just a faction of Americans-- but ALL Americans.

Do we need to list all those treacheries?

Gay activists and your straight fans here-- do as you will, rationalize it every way you you want, but don't be surprised when the message gets completely lost in the vindictive hate and retaliation and it all comes back to bite you-- and us as a party-- in the ass.

And it will. Revenge and this kind of blackmail- and that's what it is- only begets more revenge.

Yes, the Republicans are vile hypocrits. That's not news. They're vile hypocrats about **everything.**


An apropos quote I saw a while back.....


"Conservative Christians threaten gays to convert with dire promises of Hell in the next life. We, on the other hand, threaten gay Republicans with Hell in this life, by outing them and smearing them and making them the subject of public ridicule and stripping them of their sexual privacy."

[mondo joe]

128. This isn't revenge or blackmail.

It's not hate either.

It's letting the light of truth in.

[chill_wind]

130. The truth of who is sleeping with who

does not interest me. The fact that Republicans are vile hypocrits doesn't require the documentation of a McCarthyistic list of names of homosexuals, either.

Law-breaking is another matter.

This IS revenge, dressed up in the same kind of politically sanctimonious self-righteousness we've come to despise THEM for. This shit will only escalate and blow up on us down the road. Count on it.

[mondo joe]

132. Orientation isn't who is sleeping with who.

That's insulting.

And when you have a track record in successful politics your "count on it" will mean something.

[chill_wind]

133. It ISN'T?

Are we reading the same thread??

All the salivating anticipation and gleeful hand-rubbing at the prospective humiliation of this whole which-one-oh let it be THAT one I hate- he just LOOKS gay guessing game thread doesn't have a certain manifest vindictive tenor?

OK.

[mondo joe]

134. That's joy at hitting a political Achilles Heel.

You might want to avoid political message boards.

[chill_wind]

138. Avoiding political message boards, mondo joe? Not a chance of that.

Even when it sometimes means going against the tide of pack behavior or groupthink. Some of us clearly disagree. That's the way it goes.

[mondo joe]

141. Okay - but if you're intimidated by exploiting a political

vulnerability, I hope yours is an ever shrinking proportion of democrats.

[chill_wind]

153. I'm not intimidated. By "numbers" or labels. I reject the rank GOP

premise being eagerly appropriated here that "the ends justify the means."
I've always relegated that to the fascist party I despise.

We don't beat them by becoming them. By using sexual orientation, carefully selecting it out only among the ones you hate, as a political tool and bludgeon.

We don't beat the vile vengeance by perpetuating it. We don't get our rights to privacy and civil liberties back as Americans by selectively trashing them as a party and socially paving the way for even greater acceptance of encroachments. Even IF we're talking about the rights of rat-bastards.

Civil libertarians ARE a seeming shrinking proportion in the rank and file Dem party, at least vocally. If that puts me in an unpopular minority on this issue so far, so be it. All I can do is hope more will speak out their conscience.

[mondo joe]

170. But there is NOTHING wrong with this means.

Your opinion is informed by homophobia.

There is NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING wrong with being gay or acknowledging it.

[Dr Fate]

198. I see. If we out republicans, they will continue to attack us. Wow.

They use those tactics against us whenever they feel the need as it is.

Your "They will be mean to us if we do that" argument does not make sense- they already are mean to us and already sling mud at as even when we do NOT provoke them (See various Clinton "scandals", Swiftboat Vets, etc, etc, etc,)

This is like saying "If you hit the bully back, then he will hit you a second time."

[BlooInBloo]

127. I'll believe it when I see it. (truthout)

[Johnny Appleseed]

131. It does sound too good to be true but

it will be good for Ed's ratings tomorrow I suppose. And if it's a hoax a lot of people will be pissed. I doubt it's a hoax.

[Infinite Hope]

144. Coleman is married...

to a blonde so he'd be having sex with a woman. I've always thought McConnell looked gay and perhaps it's Graham. I haven't seen the list of potentials.

[Bucky]

147. So you're saying to be gay, he'd have to be living a lie? But then any GOP

Any gays living in the Republican party are living a little bit of a lie. The party has come to stand for anti-gay and pro-interfering in peoples' private lives.

[Bluebear]

152. "I've always thought McConnell looked gay"-You actually typed that here?

And you quote Dr. King?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

163. You Raise An Interesting Point...

The last thing I want to do is be racist, sexist, or homophobic but when does making certain oberservations make you any of those things...


If a gay person has "gaydar" does that make them homophobic...

[Infinite Hope]

189. It's called gaydar...

I can read people extremely well and usually end up predicting many things before they occur based on just reading people. When seeing him on TV, whether speaking or not, it set off my gaydar. That shouldn't be too new of a concept.;-)

[Bluebear]

211. "Gaydar" isn't a new concept, but I don't care for the term.

but that's just me.

[Infinite Hope]

221. There's nothing wrong with the concept...

It's just like being able to sense when someone is lying or telling the truth...being serious or being comical.

It's just a matter of reading people and situations.

Gaydar is not the same as profiling, which I think is what bothers you. In fact, gaydar often defies profiling and typical stereotypes by sensing that a stereotypical gay personality is actually straight or sensing a straight personality is actually gay. True Gaydar isn't about stereotypes at all.

[JI7]

155. Coleman's wife lives in Hollywood, if he is gay they most likely have

an arrangement. and many gay men have had sex with woman plus had kids. look at Mcgreevy, the guy Arianna Huffington was married to and there are many more.

and McConnell is married to a woman also . Graham is already out of the closet.

[Infinite Hope]

190. Graham out of the closet? Since when...

he was still denying it last I heard which was about 6 months ago.

[calico1]

166. Former New Jersey Gov. Jim McGreevy

was also married (to a blonde).

[wicket]

169. You've never heard of a closeted gay man marrying a woman?

Wow, that's some rock you've been living under.

[Infinite Hope]

191. It's always possible....

and happens often enough. But I'm from Minnesota and while I always thought he was a bit gangly, that isn't enough for me to really sense him being gay. It wouldn't shock me if he was gay, but I think of all the people on the list, about half the others are more likely than Coleman.

[wicket]

214. That came out much snarkier than I intended

And for that I apologize.

[orleans]

151. it's not up on ed's website for tuesday...has he changed his mind?

if so, maybe they can call into RANDI RHODES!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

159. People Are Mentioning

People here are mentioning Jeff Sessions and John Thune because they have that super scrubbed Ivory Boy look... It would be the ultimate pisser if it was someone like Pat Roberts or Jon Cornyn... That would blow yall's Gaydar to Hell...

[kevinbgoode]

167. It can't be Cornyn. . .he loves his box turtles

eom. . .

[Infinite Hope]

192. Not mine...

John Thune set off my gaydar when I was interning last fall and saw him in hearings. I would consider him a strong possibility. Far more likely than Coleman.

I don't know enough about Sessions and haven't seen him to speak of.

[mod mom]

173. I think it is Barbara Mikulski. (Or has she already been outed?)

[peacetalksforall]

178. This entire plan is questionable. If I were Ed Schultz I would not

participate. My objection centers on the theatrics of it which is trick like - meaning Rovian. I always prefer that Democrats not go the dirty Atwater / Bush Sr / Rove / Bush Jr way. Not just dirty - filthy. I can't even stand McCain for taking the crap they put on him and I'm so troubled about Clintons' friendship with Bush,Sr. So, I'm afraid it would get out of hand.

I have typed the word hypocrisy more than any other word on these threads. I disdain them for their hypocricies.

We have to look at our own walking the trick line balance if this theatrical game goes through, though it is an extremely mild form of a trick (list-radio broadcast-no lie?) compared to Bush Sr and Bush Jr through Atwater/Rove. BlogActive should act on their own if they are going to do it.

Questions not asked as I read through the thread:

What about this person't family?

What about the accusation that not even Dems honor privacy - that no one in this country can have a secret.

What about our opposition to data mining and political use of spying.

It would be more honorable to stop the outing, but make a big deal out of the ability to do so.

I think the event planned for tomorrow is juvenile And posse/hanging like.

Yes, yes - I have my favorite on the list, but will this boomerang?

[Infinite Hope]

194. Amen.

There's a discussion about whether it's right to out people on another thread. It does pose many issues.

[RubyDuby in GA]

179. Sweet Jesus! Let it be one of the asshats from Georgia.

Half this state's population's head will explode!

Please oh please oh please let it be Ol Sackofshit Chambliss, but I'll take Isakson too. I've been good this year. Please oh please oh please let him be from GA!

[Fleshdancer]

187. I vote for Cornyn because TX politics is fun that way

Just ask our Governor and his friends. :D

[alfredo]

193. I have heard over the years that McConnell is gay and the

marriage to Elaine was a marriage of convenience. I don't know, and I don't care. He needs to be run out of office for other reasons.

[WilliamPitt]

195. This is just ugly.

[Sammy Pepys]

196. And what big difference will that make?

Is everyone expecting the Republican electorate to demand the resignation of this supposedly gay Senator after he's outed? That's a pipe dream.

And then what? Now you've just buried the argument that Republicans are hostile to the gay agenda.

[Dr Fate]

197. Wrong- the hypocrisy/secrecy proves their hostility to the gay agenda.

You are part right about #1- but lets see them all on TV splitting hairs , flip-flopping & back-tracking on thier past statements.

#2 you are wrong about- this does not show that Republicans actually are tolerant of gays- it shows that Anti-Gay Gay Republicans have to live in shame & secrecy, and that they are dishonest, hypocrtiical, craven & cynical enough to vote against their own interests.

[Sammy Pepys]

199. #2

I'm not saying it will show them to be tolerant of gays, but it will make any argument of them being intolerant that much weaker because the likely response on the side of the Republicans will be largely indifferent. The kind of reaction everyone thinks they're going to get from the Republicans from an outing like this is not going to happen.

[Dr Fate]

202. Its not about how loyal Repubs will act- its about how fence sitters...

...and swing voters will act. Of course the 25 percenters will stay loyal. I

To a large degree, it will take away or neutralize a weapon (gay baiting on ballot iniciatives)that they use to get fence sitters who would otherwise vote DEM.

And it will only make our argument of them being intolerant that much weaker if we let them frame it that way- or if they drop their divisive anti-gay agenda like a hot potato- (which would also be a desired result and a win for us)

If it forces them to appear more tolerant by not scap-goating gays for political gain, then that is a good thing.

[Sammy Pepys]

203. That's very wishful thinking....

The social conservative fence-sitters are going to care less about who's gay and who's not and more on the issues they're willing to push....especially if you're talking about an incumbent.

As far as framing the argument, you open up a great big can of worms with an outing campaign. You're pratcically handing the Repubs an opportunity to run with it to their hearts content. Think about what the argument will be for outing them in the first place. Establishment Repubs will be thanking you for it later.

[Dr Fate]

204. It is not wishful thinking to know that this is an effective wedge issue.

They do not call it a "wedge issue" for nothing. You are incorrect to say that "Gods, Gays & Guns" does not keep many voters from the DEM ballot. At the least, outing will make anti-gay gay Republicans shut up about the issue, at least to an extent.

The rest of your paragraph makes little or no sense to me. Are you saying the Anti-Gay Gay Republicans will be all over TV yelling about how unfair it is to be outed as a lying hypocrite- or that they will be all over TV smearing DEMS (Something they do anyway, whether provoked or not)?

Sorry, but after the past 6 years, I am leary of any strategy that suggests we hold back damaging facts about Republicans. You seem to be arguing that this will HELP anti-gay gay Republicans and hurt us- I'm not seeing it.

What, exactly will the anti-gay, gay Republicans "run with" and "thank us for"?

[Sammy Pepys]

210. How Reps will use it....

1) They'll call it McCarthyite, which it is.

2) Reps relish the opportunity to appear as big tent as possible....witness the Michael Steele campaign. All this does is give them another opportunity to do so. They're not going to spoil it.

3) They'll point out the strange irony of the Dems using someones sexuality for the purposes of demeaning them politically, and giving the Reps that talking point makes me sick.

4) And though it's not a talking point, they'll realize they have little lose from a Dem outing campaign. No one really cares that Barney Frank or Tammy Baldwin is gay, and Mark Foley's problems have little to do with his being gay. There is no movement among the Republicans to expose and flush out any homosexuals who may be working for them.

There is simply nothing for the Dems to gain from this, and the whole object of it is a bit unsavory to say the least.

[Dr Fate]

213. You could craft a caution list like that for any agressive DEM strategy.

1.) They'll call it McCarthyite, which it is.

Response: No one is being black-listed here, we are just letting voters know that that their anti-gay gay representative is a lying hypocrite- if they want to "black-list" him by voting him out, or forgive him, that is their call.


2) Reps relish the opportunity to appear as big tent as possible....witness the Michael Steele campaign. All this does is give them another opportunity to do so. They're not going to spoil it.

Response: If they are such a big tent, then why are they opposed to gay civil rights, and why they do feel the need to hide & cover up their own sexuality?

3) They'll point out the strange irony of the Dems using someones sexuality for the purposes of demeaning them politically, and giving the Reps that talking point makes me sick.

Response: We are not deamining them b/c they are gay- we are pointing out the fact that they are hypocrites who feel the need to constantly lie to their base. Lying is still wrong, isnt it?

4) I agree. I dont see how this helps them or hurts us. They have little to lose, we have little to lose as well- considering they constantly throw mud at us regardless of whether we provked them or not. Besides, if they turn the tables, then they cant call it "McCartyite" anymore- so #1 & #4 neutralize each other.

I've been reading excuses for not fighting or taking Repubs to task for years- in every case, it turned out we should have gone for it.

If we could come up with as many ways to fight the GOP as we come up with excuses for not fighting them, we might just win an election or two.

We agree to disagree- I say we label liars & hypocrites as "liars & hypocrites."

[Sammy Pepys]

215. I say we label the same the same...

...but this is not the way to do it. It's a recipe for failure. I work on Capitol Hill, and the Republicans who are paying attention to this are lapping it up. They couldn't be happier.

[Dr Fate]

216. The claim that you "work on captial hill" makes me distrust your strategy.

I've heard "people in the know" tell us to "Keep your powder dry" and "lets not go after that one" many times.

They were wrong in every single solitary instance.

If Republicans tell you "we are happy about this"- then they are lying. In case you dindt know, that is what they do.

Sorry- but the old "If we do that, the Republicans will be mean to us" excuse has never impressed me- they will slam us, lie about us and drag us through the mud no matter how many free passes we give them and no matter how meek, agreeable and submissive we act.

The fact that you are making these arguments from the position of being locked into Beltway conventional wisdom makes me know I am right even more than ever.

We agree to disagree- I've seen the "lets not go after this" strategy handed down to us from the Beltway many, many times before- and those folks were dead wrong every time.

[chill_wind]

220. Beautifully said. nt

[Dr Fate]

223. yes- reasons for not fighting the GOP are so "Beautiful" and inspiring

If we could come up with as many "Beautiful" ways to FIGHT the GOP as we come up with nail biting, hand wringing excuses for NOT fighting them, we may get somewhere.

[chill_wind]

225. Then substitute "intelligent" or "observant", then.

If you're having even this much trouble completely selling your arguments and rationalizations to what should arguably be (in your own mind) the political choir right here at DU, but ISN"T proving to be, then good luck selling it as a winning Dem "strategy" to the voting populace at large.

[Dr Fate]

229. You cant show me an instance where backing down ever worked for us.

I'm not having any trouble convincing Democrats that we should fight Republicans tooth & nail- it is a slim majority and a frightened belt-way leadership that needs that convincing.

Can you name one instance where we allowed the GOP to lie or be hypocritical and then we won an election as a result? I can name several instances where we backed down and refused to make an issue of GOP lies, hypocrisies and controversies and then lost fights and elections. I have over 6 YEARS worth of examples.

Can you at least adress my refutations of those "beautiful" excuses for not telling the truth about the GOP- as opposed to merely stating that they are unconvincing to you and one other DUer?

Whether the frightened-of-their-own shadow DEM establishment or a minority of DUers agrees with the rest of us or not is not the issue- the issue is whether our past strategy of non-agression has ever worked (it has NOT)- and whether the GOP strategy of being very agressive has worked (it HAS).

[devilgrrl]

200. Forgive for not giving a rat's ass.

:boring:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

201. Man - these guys all need some good shrinks... They all hate themselves.

I'm a former psych social worker and I find this just mind boggling. To see so many people who were willing to be so hateful towards others like themselves is stunning.

It would be one thing if they were Democrats. I think that some of these people wouldn't be able to win in their "red" districts as Democrats.

[Imagevision]

206. Shultz is going to out someone because their gay? or is it related to

playing with underage kids in the page program?

[Dr Fate]

209. I am assuming it will be a hypocritical, Anti-Gay Gay man. n/t

n/t

[Mabus]

219. It is unrelated to the page program

Mike Rogers wrote a "Mister Senator" letter back in January which can be found at http://www.blogactive.com/2006/01/mister-senator.html

at the bottom of this blog entry is this: Some of you have asked if he will be outed tomorrow. No. The blog will report on this closeted Republican Senator between tomorrow and a time when it may most impact the reelection effort of the Senator. Just because the Democratic establishment has given up the fight for our Nation, doesn't mean this site will..

There was a bit of a buzz on DU back in late Jan. and early Feb. over this blog entry. Mike said he would out the Senator "at a time when it may most impact the reelection effort of the Senator." Apparently Mike thinks the time is now.

[autorank]

218. "a U.S. Senator" Just one?;) n/t

[greiner3]

224. I heard Thune was a leader in the drastic turn around;

SD took, especially with regards to the abortion issue.

Bunning is a real slime ball.

Voinovich votes maybe 25% Dem, although he got off his criminal charges through bribes, and who knows, some head!

Yeah, Sessions would bring about the fastest recall in history. Lol, locals might just string him up!

Screw Roberts!

It would be great if Inhofe is gay. My brother, the fundie, lives in Tulsa and loves repugs and hates gays. What a combo!

I've heard of most of the rest, however other than being repugs I don't have anything especially terrible against them. Could it be ALL of them are gay?

On edit; I have it on very good word that ex-congressman John Kasich is/was gay. That was the reason he dropped out of politics and also the reason why he can't re-enter them. Being gay is not the problem, his hiding it and being a fundie, conservative liar. I can't say how I heard about this. My father told me and he died. He did not say how he heard of it though. I know, but he was an honorable person. I believed him.

I just Googled the asshat and surprise, surprise, he has his own Fox show, filling in for O'reilly 'as needed.'