O'Lielly: Women could never be in danger during pregnancy.

[edbermac]

Summary: On his radio show, Bill O'Reilly falsely claimed that it "is never the case" that a "mother's life is in danger" during pregnancy because "you can always have a C-section and do those kinds of things." In fact, several potential pregnancy complications, such as an ectopic pregnancy, which is "the leading cause of pregnancy-related deaths in the first trimester" or preeclampsia, which "affects up to one in seven pregnant women" can threaten the life of a pregnant woman.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200610160007

Thanks for the info, Dr Bill...

:sarcasm:

[ThomCat]

1. Yet one more reason why Bill O'Reilly is a dick.

Can we flog him now? Please?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

4. Be careful. He might like it.

:scared:

[ThomCat]

9. Then we haven't hit him hard enough yet.

x(
I'll fix that.

[Frazzled Educator]

52. No, let's just hook up his privates to a car battery.

That way, the smoldering prick never has children.

[Richard Steele]

54. Willful ignorance and demagogic assholery are a hell of a combination.

And in Loofah Bill's case, it's not just a combination
anymore; it's a time-tested FORMULA.

And to answer your question: yes.

[Hepburn]

76. I have to disagree with this...

...that Bill O'Reilly is a dick. A dick is a useful object. There is NOTHING useful about Bill O'Reilly.

He is a total idiot who would best serve himeself and the rest of society if he kept his ill-informed mouth shut.

[StraightDope]

2. And a woman who has been raped asked for it, right Bill?

:sarcasm: :mad:

[BlueEyedSon]

26. "Don't blame me it was the falafel!"

[greenbriar]

3. isn't domestic violence risen during a pregnancy?

somewhere I remember hearing that

[Lars39]

11. A woman is most likely to be murdered when she's pregnant.

[VeggieTart]

51. Yes, for some women...

...pregnancy can be the most dangerous time if she has an abusive partner.

[Quantess]

5. In a way, I'm glad he said that.

Now maybe he will get ridiculed in the same way Tom Cruise did, when he put his foot-in-mouth about post partum depression.

[central scrutinizer]

6. I am sure his words will bring comfort to many

A friend of mine, who was also my lawyer, died of complications related to pregnancy with her second child. I am sure her family will be comforted by these kind words from Bill.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

7. And this guy was a teacher??????? n/t

[zulchzulu]

8. Perhaps Bill offended his two women listeners...

Granted, they have to be pretty stupid to listen to him anyway.

[GainesT1958]

10. How does he know?

Has HE ever been pregnant?:eyes:

B-)

[yasmina27]

12. OMG

How can ANYONE say an absurd thing like that? Thank your supreme being (if you have one) that the technology exists to save the life of the mother in certain circumstances, but it's not always successful.

Does this mean he also agrees with late-term abortions (or as the fundies call it - late birth abortion)?

[NoodleyAppendage]

13. O'Jerkoff needs a C-section to remove his head from his ass.

Why do I even waste text and keyboard clicks on this piece of living shit?

J

[MissMillie]

ah... a rectal craniotomy!

that would be my prescription as well.

[FooFootheSnoo]

14. I wish I would have known that

when I was lying in the high risk ob unit!! I guess that fluid building up in my lungs due to pre-eclampsia was just all in my head? I guess the 209/110 blood pressure was just my imagination too? I could have saved myself some huge medical bills if I had known it wasn't possible for me to die.

[ThomCat]

17. I am glad you come through it okay.

:hug:

And I am really sorry that Pieces of Shit like O'Rielly are able to get away with spewing like this. x(

[CTyankee]

15. My daughter developed HELLP syndrome late in pregnancy

and was lucky enough to have a pregnancy far enough along that the baby could be born by C section. Her grandmother, which was her paternal grandmother, was not so fortunate. She died in childbirth from pre eclampsia.

This is an outrage. For many milennia women died in childbirth which today can be remedied by therapeutic abortion. If my daughter had been in her 4th month, or the beginning of her second trimester, she probably would have to have had a form of abortion O'Reilly would classify as partial birth abortion to SAVE HER LIFE.

I'm never so outraged as I am with antichoice MEN talking about pregnancy as if they know all about it. I don't even want to TELL you what I'd like to do to these guys.

I gotta go chill with a glass of Pinot Noir...

[Warpy]

24. I'll hold him down while you do it.

[CTyankee]

66. Then we'll both chill with a glass of Pinot Noir...

[sandnsea]

16. It's STILL ending the pregnancy ya' fucking dumbass

And ending it through an abortion is safer, which is why it's done that way. What a complete fucking idiot. And boomers are the first generation that overwhelmingly went to college. Some days I am SOOOO embarrassed by my generation. Good grief.

[boolean]

18. I nominate Billy for the next conservative idiot list!!

God, what an idiot.

[volstork]

19. Where did YOU go to med school, bill?????

As an OB/GYN who has been practicing my specialty for 15 years, I can say unequivocally that pregnancy puts all women in a higher-than-normal risk category, even women with normal pregnancies. During pregnancy, women are at greater risk for forming blood clots that can lead to stroke or pulmonary embolus. As edbermac mentioned, ectopic pregnancy is the leading cause of maternal death in the first trimester, and thousands of women's pregnancies are complicated by preeclampsia/eclampsia each year (which can lead to both maternal and fetal death). Due to advances in neonatal cardiac surgery, infants that would not have survived past their first few months are now living to childbearing age; for many of these patients, pregnancy is a great risk. Even something seemingly as innocuous as a connective tissue disorder (Marfan's, Ehlers-Danlos)can carry a 50% maternal mortality rate in pregnancy. This is by no means a complete list; that's why we spend years in training to learn to recognize and manage these complications.
But bill, obviously, the information you pull out of your ass trumps my years of training and practice.

[Iris]

22. but isn't this just so Republican? To take something so complex

and try to boil it down to a simple solution?

[Iris]

20. Having major surgery that practically cuts you in half is NOT dangerous?

What world does he live in.

[sakabatou]

21. :: head desk ::

[Warpy]

23. This is why IGNORANT MEN should never practice medicine

They need to leave it to doctors, and they need to leave decisions about a pregnancy to the woman whose body is experiencing it.

I sincerely hope somebody manages to get this sick bastard off the air and soon.

[Missy Vixen]

25. And his wife still sleeps with him?

>Bill O'Reilly falsely claimed that it "is never the case" that a "mother's life is in danger" during pregnancy<

If Mrs. O'Reilly didn't have a cause before to file, she does now. Who'd want to live with someone so desperately misinformed?

Julie

[ChairmanAgnostic]

27. eclampsia kills. Pre-eclampsia kills, ectopic pregnancies kill, and so

complications of stresses on liver, kidneys and the heart. I'll bet he is as good at Dx as Frist is at long distance.

[smirkymonkey]

46. My mother died of eclampsia.

She was 25 years old. My brother and grew lost our mother and my father was devastated. Nothing pisses me off more than a man's insistence that every pregnancy should be carried to term.

[Skittles]

59. so sorry, sm

I agree with you - this man's ignorance is outrageous

[smirkymonkey]

69. Thanks, Skittles!

:)

Wanna Kick O'Liely's ass for me?

[Skittles]

79. THAT SOB O"LIELY

what a pompous ass - my boyfriend's dad worked with Bill O's dad in Long Island - said Bill Sr was a real bully - gee, imagine that

[Maraya1969]

61. I am truly sorry sm.

:hug:

[smirkymonkey]

70. Thank you. I just wish more people knew how their ignorant

attitudes affect real life people. :hugs:

[Maraya1969]

28. Here is a woman that was forced to have an abortion or die. ME

And I really wanted that baby but it was in my fallopian tube. They caught it early and they ended up giving me a a cancer drug called Methotrexate which ended it.

And now I am crying because....I don't know why.

[moc]

30. I'm so sorry.

:hug:

[Rosemary2205]

Hugs

and a hanky. :hug:

[Straight Shooter]

32. I know why ...

:hug:

[ThomCat]

34. I'm sorry, Maraya.

:hug:

I am glad you survived.

[me b zola]

36. .

:hug:

[VeggieTart]

53. You're crying because there are serious schmucks in the world

Bill O'Reilly was minimizing and blowing off your pain and your fear. Shit, I just remembered that when my cousin was pregnant with her second child, she had gestational diabetes. Luckily, she's okay and has three daughters, but still...it's a fucking complication!

[Mad_Dem_X]

74. ((hug))

:hug:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

29. Hands Down, One Of The Most Ignorant Thing's I've Ever Heard.

Does he say those things with the knowledge that they are so wrong, but for sake of ratings? Or is he actually truly this fucking stupid...

...Ok, I'll lean towards the latter.

[Hav]

33. .

He has got many viewers, who knows..that could be a new dumb talking point for them. Unless they ever gave birth themselves of course.

[Akoto]

31. O'Reilly's little more than a willfully ignorant, perverted old bigot.

He cares for little more than ratings, which is why he caters to the small-minded people who'd take his word as gospel.

In the end, I'm convinced that the country is going to get past his kind (O'Reilly, Hannity, Nancy Grace, Glenn Beck, etc). In the end, they may have their money, but I'm betting it'll be hard to enjoy when their actions have left them alone and bitter in a world that no longer has room for them.

[Bunny]

50. Yes. They would all do well to remember Morton Downey, Jr.

and his sad but inevitable end. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Downey,_Jr.

[MGD]

35. Harvard is surely cringing collectively. nt

[skygazer]

37. Yet another brilliant remark from this idiot

What med school did he attend again? I sincerely wish men could become pregnant - I would wish a high-risk pregnancy on this ignorant jerk-off so fast it would make your head spin. :grr:

[City Lights]

38. Fuck you, Billo.

As usual, you don't have a FUCKING idea what you're talking about, so STFU!

[blogslut]

39. Right-O, Billy!

And all babies come out of the same place that you get your facts. </sarcasm>

I'll stand as an example of a woman that almost died from a bloodclot during childbirth.

[gaspee]

40. Loathe, loathe, loathe that man!

So, it was all of our collective immagination that until the 19th century, the leading cause of death, worlwide, for women was complications from pregancy?

And still is the leading cause of death for females 15-19 in developing countries?

If I ever run into Falafal head in the street, I'm kicking him in the nuts. Hopefully hard enough to rupture them.

[Iris]

42. "Hopefully hard enough to rupture them." But that'd be ok because

then the doctor could just remove them. No danger or harm to his life.

[ThomCat]

45. Exactly. He's not using those shrivelled little things anyway.

And they're non-essential. No harm done. :evilgrin:

[gaspee]

57. Exactly!

His life would never be in danger.

[Iris]

58. Right. Even if we used a loofah to rub them off. Even if it took 36 hours!

[rodeodance]

41. idiot!

[Crunchy Frog]

43. Childbirth still comes with a significant risk of mortality

even in developed countries. C-sections are associated with a considerably greater mortality rate than vaginal births.

Bill O'Reilly's pig ingnorance still manages to amaze me sometimes.

[MissB]

44. Stupid shithead.

MHO, of course.

[alarimer]

47. I'd like to see his medical degree

Of course he pontificates on a lot of things he knows nothing about.

[VeggieTart]

55. I don't know.

I mean, Bill Frist has a medical degree, and he tried to diagnose Terri Schiavo from a four-year-old videotape.

[NotGivingUp]

48. i wish he'd have to squirt a baby outa ol' one-eye!!

[Iris]

49. lol. It's interesting how certain men of his ilk like to minimize

childbirth. They really just believe it's a woman's duty and that's all there is to it.

[nam78_two]

56. Yes I too look towards idiotic, blustering talk show hosts

on a crappy propaganda network for medical info.

Thank you Doctor :eyes:

k&r

[struggle4progress]

60. C-Section Linked to Increased Risk of Maternal Death

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) Sept 01 - Pregnant women who deliver by c-section are more than three times as likely to die than their peers who deliver vaginally, according to a report in the September issue of Obstetrics and Gynecology.

The heightened mortality risk appears to relate to an increased likelihood of complications from anesthesia, puerperal infection, and venous thromboembolism, the report suggests.

The rising rates of c-section in many part of the world prompted Dr. Catherine Deneux-Tharaux, from Maternite Hopital Tenon in Paris, and colleagues to reevaluate the association between c-section and maternal mortality ...

In a population-based study, the researchers compared obstetrical factors in 65 pregnant women who died following delivery between 1996 and 2000 and 10,244 control subjects who delivered uneventfully in 1998 ...

Obstet Gynecol 2006;108:541-548
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/544101

Gettin a necessary C-section can sometimes improve maternal survival odds but it certainly doesn't eliminate the risks that women with problem pregnancies face ...

[REP]

62. Orally Has Never Heard of FSGS, PPH, Hyperemesis Gravidarum

The first two (focal segmental glomerulosclerosis, a kidney disease; and primary pulmonary hypertension, a cardiac disease) contraindicate pregnancy as the diseases are so serious a pregnancy and life cannot be maintained; the last is uncontrollable vomiting and diarrhea and the treatment is almost always termination of the pregnancy.

[Pachamama]

64. I suffered from Hyperemesis Gravidarum in my 2nd pregnancy...

...thought I was going to die....

Just so I can clarify some facts about the condition, they don't know what makes it happen other than being pregnant and it happens in about less than 1/2 percent of pregnancies. However, this said, if it goes untreated, the woman will die unless she a) treats the symptoms with medical assistance or b) terminates the pregnancy.

So, everyone including O'lielly might be saying, then fine, treat the symptoms with medical assistance - that is easier said than done. For starters, my "treatment" involved being home on bed rest for almost 7 months - not an easy thing for someone who is working or unlike me doesn't have disability insurance. In addition, I was on home nursing care covered by my health insurance - not something everyone in this country has. My home nursing care involved an IV in my arm where I got potassium and saline solution given to me to keep my hydrated since I couldn't keep anything down. I was throwing up every 15 minutes, heaving mucous and couldn't keep even water down. Every 4 hours, I would get a medication called Anzemet which is used usually for Chemo patients to help with the nausea from Chemo. It costs about $250 per dose - Do the math - $250 x 6 daily for 7 months - comes out to about $300K!!! I didn't have to pay a penny though - it was covered by insurance. Tell that to the single parent who works for min wage at a diner and has no insurance or disabilty and if she doesn't show up for work, is out of a job! Think she can pay about $300K for the drugs? In addition, I had a "Pick IV" that was surgerically inserted in my arm where a tube going towards my heart allowed me to be "fed". At about 6 months of pregnancy, my normally 125 lb frame in the non-pregnant state was down to 92 lbs. I was weak and atrophied and would crawl to the toilet. The Anzemet made me throw up every couple of hours instead of every 15 minutes - a big improvement, but still a miserable existence. I couldn't brush my teeth because the toothpaste and toothbrush would make me want to gag reflext and yes, throw up again. The stomach acid caused my teeth and gums to have serious problems too (similar to what Bulimics suffer). I suffered severed depression as I layed there in bed and just wanting to die. The reality though was that if I wasn't getting this medical assistance (costly assistance) that I would die. In third world countries where women wouldn't have access to the kind of treatment I was getting, would die usually of a heart attack induced by the dehydration from the vomiting and potassium imbalance. The only thing that could save the woman is termination of the pregnancy or the treatment that is unavailable to her. If she was a mother of several children, wouldn't an abortion to save her life and allow her to care for her children that are born already, be the right thing to do? Being opposed to the abortion that would save her life because you wanted to save the child is ridiculous because the unborn fetus would end up dieing anyway when the mother died.

So my question posed to Mr. Asshole Bill O'lielly is this: Women don't die from pregnancy? Bullshit. I guess in Bill's worldview and the view of the Bush Co. and Fundies in this country is that women like me should be forced to being pregnant and carrying a child even if it was a miserable existence. This is ofcourse assuming that they would guarantee health coverage for every pregnant woman at great expense. In my case, I wanted this baby. I chose to keep it and it was the most difficult ordeal I ever went through. I also refuse to ever get pregnant again. I would rather die than to have to be in such agony. I am glad that I have my beautiful daughter, but it was at a horrific ordeal that I wouldn't wish on anyone, except for perhaps Mr. Bill O'lielly and all the Fundies who want to force women to be pregnant against their will.

Pregnancy isn't all about a glowing twinkle in a woman's face and her feeling glorious. It can wreck havoc on a woman's body and it can kill. My experience made me Pro-Choice without any doubt. Pregnancy is a very personal choice and terminating one a very difficult and personal choice by any woman. I shudder at the thought that our country may become one that would force women to experience what I did if they didn't want to be a human incubator with tubes and drugs pumped in her. Or the other option - that she just dies.

[REP]

65. And It Doesn't Always Respond Well To Treatment

Even with treatment, retinal hemorrhaging can occur, and when it does, termination is the only thing that can be done. HG is a gravely serious condition - I don't need to tell you that, of course, but many people don't realize that 'morning sickness' can turn deadly.

I have FSGS. Terminating a pregnancy would not be a difficult choice for me at all. It's a forgone conclusion - should I become pregnant, I will become UNpregnant as soon as surgically possible. In fact, the abortion I had before my final diagnosis probably saved my life (it absolutely preserved my renal function).

Of course, me becoming pregnant would involve some miracles - I've had my fallopian tubes and endometrium burnt out! (Not because of the FSGS, either.)

[fudge stripe cookays]

68. God, Pacha. I am SO sorry for your ordeal.

I can understand completely why you are where you are.

I'm glad you have your beautiful daughter from it. But I could never have been that brave.

:hug:

[boolean]

63. O'Reilly: OBGYN

[tavalon]

67. Nice of him to talk so knowledgeably out his ass

Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has them and most stink. I'm an L/D nurse and I have seen many a situation that was life threatening for the mother and a number of cases where an abortion is the only solution.

That man deserves to be strung up by his balls and made to read William's Obstetrics until his balls come off.

[Beelzebud]

71. O'Rielly and Frist should start their own practice.

[noonwitch]

72. Until he's pregnant, he should just STFU

What does he know-does he even have any kids?

[Mad_Dem_X]

73. Gah! I just want to

kick this moran in the head! What a pompous, know-nothing ass!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

75. He must be getting his medical info from Bill Frist....

n/t

[npincus]

77. Loofah-Boy expanded on his thesis here:

[laylah]

78. Here's my e-mail to him

You insensitive bastard! A C-Section was not an option for me when I almost died from an ectopic pregnancy 23 years ago, nor would it be now! You are a boil upon the butt of humanity! What a hypocritcal, egotistic, narcissitic ass you are! Keith Olbermann is right...you ARE the Worst Person in the World...right next to your hero, *Dumbass.

Jennifer from Illinois

GAWD how I despise that poor excuse of a human being :mad: :puke:

[knitter4democracy]

80. OMG. What a f'n idiot.

Wait until a family member of his dies in labor or in the days after. Jerk.

[OzarkDem]

81. Or placenta previa

in which cases a woman in labor can bleed to death in just a few minutes.

http://www.emedicine.com/emerg/topic427.htm

Even the AMA says doctors don't need the GOP looking over their shoulder in the delivery room during a complicated delivery.