Karl Rove still thinks the GOP is going to win in November

[ECH1969]

Is he living in delusion or what?

[maveric]

1. They will. The vote count has allready been determined.

Diebold Delivers!

[saracat]

15. Negative thinking doesn't help! Rove is just doing what

strategists always do, keeping his chin up and touting his party.Big deal.Do you seriously expect him to confirm they are losing? He has to shore up his base or they won't vote.

[aquart]

21. Thank you for your concern.

Demoralizing messages are, of course, necessary for any victory. For the other side.

[BootinUp]

27. I think you and many other

DU'ers will be pleasantly surprised this time.

[maveric]

29. I truly hope so.

After 2000 and 2004 I have lost faith in fair elections here in the US. I have tried to remain positive and renew my faith in the system, but my cynicism seems to get the best of me.
So I gues that if I dont have anything nice to say...

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. And when the results come in favoring the repubs due to a last

minute push that brought out the _______ vote, upsetting the confident predictions of the pollsters, will you admit that we've not had a democracy since 2000?

[BootinUp]

35. I have not been shocked at

any of the results since 2000. It is surprising to me that so many people are shocked at the vote counts. As to vote fraud, suppression, and other tactics used to skew the vote count I wonder why people think it is a new thing. It is an old thing and will always require efforts to minimize its effects. What makes people trust exit polls and pre-election polls more than the real poll?

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. Maybe because exit polls and pre-election polls have been used

for decades to uncover fraudulant elections? Maybe because when there is a 16 point swing from the pre-election poll to the actual polling and there is no verifiable paper trail to double-check the results, that would be enough to cause a civil uprising in most countries of the world? Maybe because the Jimmy Carter Center that certifies the fairness of elections worldwide would not certify our own election?

What's been going on is NOT business as usual.

[BootinUp]

41. what 16 point swing?

Your joking.

[RaleighNCDUer]

42. IIRC, the vote that ousted Max Cleland took his opponent from

8 under to 8 over - that's 16 points, unverifiable because of the Diebold machines that counted the votes. Yes, I used an extreme example, but there were many, many races that were outside the margin of error that went to the repugs over the past three elections, and many more that were excuseably within the MOE but still against expectations. And, of course, it isn't all Diebold - there's a whole range of dirty tricks which, if looked at individually, don't amount to much but when added together push the totals over the edge. And we are not seriously looking at the majority of them.

I'm not saying it's hopeless. I'm not saying don't vote. I'm not saying don't bother volunteering and working for fair elections. I'll be voting, and will probably be putting out flyers and door-hangers myself in the run-up to the election. For whatever good it does.

But when (or if) they win I won't believe that it is because they had a better message, or they were better funded, or they were better organized. It will be because they are a nest of criminals, cheating their way through the election just as they cheated their way through college.

[BootinUp]

48. But I am NOT surprised

Cleland lost. He was smeared by a vicious campaign in the South where Republicans are strongest, where people watch Fox news, listen to Limbaugh and Boortz. No surprise.

[onenote]

36. sure, but only if you'll admit you were wrong if the Democrats win?

Deal/No Deal?

[RaleighNCDUer]

39. Only if if holds thru 2008.

Then, when we start indicting the criminals, will I believe we have a chance.

[stop the bleeding]

2. probably cause the machines are rigged??? n/t

[ellenfl]

3. i am hoping he's made his millions and can now retire. eom

[blogslut]

4. Talk is cheap Karl

But then, so are you.

[Captain Hilts]

5. ACTING like you are ahead, when you're not is part of his schtick.

That was the whole idea behind not visibly changing anything after McCain beat Bush in NH in 2000. Don't let them see you sweat.

'Act' like you're head.

[Avalux]

6. He's in full bluff mode now.

What else is he gonna say? "I don't think we can win."? :rofl:

[Taoschick]

45. It's not surprising

To read he's claiming victory. That's his job.

When they lose the house and senate next month, perhaps they'll finally shitcan him. I can't see the right keeping him on the payroll after he blows the election.

[C_U_L8R]

7. Fat Poisoning

cutting off bloodflow to the head

[ellacott]

8. I don't think we should underestimate Rove

We still have a few weeks to go. Please don't count your chickens yet.

[blogslut]

11. Gotta have chickens to count

Karl Rove is pure smoke and mirrors and dirty tricks. We've all been to the puppet show and we can all see the strings.

[bdamomma]

16. I wouldn't let my guard down with these assholes abusing power

but, if they try stealing and fixing the vote again, we all have to make a visit to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Just get out there and VOTE.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

18. Rove really isn't all THAT

He's done nothing different since he helped shrub take the governorship of Texas, not one freaking thing.

[C_U_L8R]

19. Oh but those are plump juicy chickens

i eat republicans for breakfast
(underestimated or estimated)
yum yum

[izzie]

9. I am not so sure as you guys are that Dem. will win. Change

is slow. The other side do not read what we do and they think of govt. in a different way.

[Norquist Nemesis]

10. Last night I had a suddenly unexplicable feeling his October Surprise

will be a "leak" that he has turned in his resignation to Bush, effective November 1st. Think of the frenzy that would cause!

[oldtime dfl_er]

13. Whatever happened to his announcement

that he was going to stop the political stuff and concentrate on policy? or did I dream that?

[Norquist Nemesis]

17. Ah...I think that blew up with Katrina

Problem with Karl looking at an issue without a political lens is not in his DNA (or RNA..LOL!)

[bryant69]

12. well unless you can read his mind we don't know that for sure

But i know for a fact taht as a Republican Operative he's not going to admit that they don't have a prayer. A republican pundit can handicap the race somewhat honestly - but an operative can't.

It's like being a sports writer or the coach - no coach is going to say "we're going to lsoe the crap out of this one"

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[calico1]

14. He could really use some Crest White Strips n/t

[Donnachaidh]

20. I expect to see monkeys fly out of his butt first.

And do ANY of these nutcases know how to brush? While his teeth aren't as crepy as the Chimptator -- jeez louise! They HAVe good dental plans -- USE THEM!

[ellacott]

24. If you showed that pic to one of their followers

They would swear that you photoshopped it.

[ewagner]

22. they haven't played

their "trump card" yet...so they're still confident ...

I have no clue what their "trump card" is....but I sure as hell hope my tinfoilhat instincts are wrong....

[Jack Rabbit]

23. It's pre-election bravado

I've heard it from every candidate who was about to go down hard since Goldwater in 1964.

Don't take it seriously.

[tridim]

25. It's just like Joementum in every way

They're even fight for the same political party.

We all know how Joementum worked out in the 04 primary.

[shadow 99]

26. He is counting on polls underpolling GOP again. NT

[Virginia Dare]

28. Even if he didn't would you expect him to say otherwise?

Yes, he's delusional and out of touch, and probably has some dirty tricks up his sleeves, but I think it's mostly bluff and bluster.

[onenote]

37. exactly.

Seriously, does anyone think he's going to admit that they are doing badly?

[ComerPerro]

47. exactly, its his job

[Kansas Wyatt]

30. He's not aware most people suspect something wrong

Has been screwing with the elections in this country. Meanwhile, he advances a revolt.

[Peace Patriot]

31. I think you have to take into consideration what they've gotten away with

so far, and ask yourself, how did they do it?

We (the Democratic Party and all of its leaders and supporters) have not paid enough attention to 'how did they do it?'.

Our leaders, out of collusion, corruption or inattention and possibly fear. Rank and file out of powerlessness over party policy.

And, yes, I'm talking about...

DIEBOLD: Until recently, headed by Wally O'Dell, a Bush-Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser (a Bush "Pioneer," right up there with Ken Lay), who promised in writing to "deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush-Cheney in 2004"; and

ES&S: A spinoff of Diebold (similar computer architecture), initially funded by rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation (which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things). Diebold and ES&S have an incestuous relationship; they are run by two brothers, Bob and Todd Urosevich.

These are the people who "counted" 80% of the nation's votes in 2004, under a veil of corporate secrecy.

Also, SEQUOIA: The third major election theft industry player, which hired Republican Bill Jones, former Calif Secretary of State, and his chief aide, Alfie Charles, to peddle their machines--in an outstanding example of the highly corrupt practices that HAVA fosters-- "revolving door" employment, lavish lobbying, corporate secrecy, corporate lawyers writing our laws, and the heady power of multi-million dollar electronics contracts in government.

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I woke up this morning to a column by my least favorite California political columnist who is saying that not only is Schwarzenegger going to swamp Angelides, but all the down ticket races are going Republican as well, including Diebold shill and Schwarzenegger appointee Bruce McPherson (as Sec of State) beating election reformer Deborah Bowen--a clear cut case of bad government vs. good government.

At this point in the campaign, we're talking (or rather, he's talking) about money and about what the polls and pundits are saying. Not about what Diebold HAS said (except indirectly, re: recent past history, the Recall election and CA-50 under Diebold, and also Kerry votes getting shaved in '04 and added to Bush's popular majority in Republican counties only, also under Diebold). But something I've noticed about Rove and the Rovian mode (which this columnist often exhibits--Dan Walters, Sacto Bee) is that they create pre-written narratives to be used as post-election "explanations" of what happened, when they know full well that what is going to happen will have been highly manipulated. So, apart from actual polls (which may or may not be manipulated), the ground work is being laid for the populace to accept the results of electronic voting machines and central tabulators, run of TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by Bushite corporations, and, in this case, overseen by Diebold shill Bruce McPherson, who has zero inclination for oversight and is a proven operative of the coverup of Diebold's criminal activities, and of the extreme insecurity and hackability of their machines and others.

So I am not in a good mood this morning. They have the capability to steal it, nationwide. We, in California, are the MOST vulnerable state to a rigged election, considering who's in charge. But these fuckers are controlling (s)elections in almost every state. They choose our candidates in the primaries and who wins in the general election. They can create whatever kind of Congress they want to--and if it has to include a few more Democrats this time, for appearances sake, it will. But they will either be Bushite Democrats (like those who voted for torture and suspension of habeas corpus the other week), or their votes won't count for much in the face of a Bushite and Bushite Democrat majority. And those of us who object to Bushite corporations "counting" all the votes in SECRET will be told, "What's your beef--the Democrats won, didn't they?" And that's a best-case scenario. Worst case, they just steal the whole thing again. What's to stop them?

And then the gropers and the child molesters and the master thieves and the torturers and the genocidal mass murderers can get on with business.

I do think we can get our country back. But it is not going to be easy.

[RaleighNCDUer]

33. But really now, isn't that just negative thinking?

:eyes:

Our hopes trump the facts any day, right?

I wish i could be pleasantly surprised in November, but I don't expect it.

[Gregorian]

34. I'm trying to contact you.

Why are you ignoring my request to ask you a question? I don't understand. We're both on the same side of these issues.

Forgive me if I'm wrong. But it has been over a week since I first attempted to get your attention.

[onenote]

38. No, Karl Rove still "says" the repubs are going to hold the majority

I doubt he really believes it. But what else can he say?

[El Fuego]

43. He's living in Diebold, not delusion.

He probaby knows something we don't. Katherine Harris is oddly confident despite polls showing her being trampled ... makes me wonder what's going to go down.

[misternormal]

44. There's no need to place a lot of creedence...

... nor a lot of time into figuring out that Rove is just trying to dishearten the Democratic base, and to try and shore up a dwindling Republican one...

As has happened so many times in the past, in elections from small local ones to general elections... Some one will tout victory before the polls even open, and a certain percentage of the opposition will be of the mindset that it won't matter if they vote or not, and will stay home.

This is something that we can not allow to happen... We need to personally talk to our friends and get out the vote...

And then we can watch Rove and his cronies eat a big fat shit-burger.

[ComerPerro]

46. Rigged or not, he is paid to believe that

I would fire a campaign manager who didn't think we would win our elections.