LSD Mystery: In 2002, Justice Dept. OK'd Dosing Detainees

[elehhhhna]

By Justin Rood - October 13, 2006, 3:18 PM
After reporting yesterday that lawyers for Jose Padilla accused government interrogators of forcing their client to take drugs similar to LSD or PCP, more than a few people wondered if I had been slipped a couple tabs myself.

...

So I was surprised to discover that in 2002, Justice Department lawyers carefully considered the issue and advised the White House that it was okay. In their view, it was acceptable to force detainees to ingest "mind-altering substances," as long as it was not intended to cause months-long bouts of serious mental illness.

How do we know that? Because in August 2002, the Justice Department gave then-White House counsel Alberto Gonzales a 50-page document saying so. And a follow-up document in 2004 reaffirmed it.

(When they make cocaine & Jack Daniels mandatory, we'll know that Bush will be taken into custody quietly. E)

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/

[Jacobin]

1. Geeze

They'll get GREAT intel with that. :-)

[Sydnie]

2. Yeah, that should lead to some reliable information, shouldn't it?

What were they thinking? Get them high then question them? :wtf:

Dumb as dirt, all of them.

[Warpy]

13. I remember feeling I knew the secret at the heart of the universe

when I was tripping. I remember writing it all down.

What I couldn't do when I sobered up was read it. It was total nonsense.

You can tell the junta's drugs of choice are alcohol and tobacco. If they'd ever experimented with psychedelics, they'd know better.

[HeeBGBz]

22. Yeah, I figured out the meaning of life and how to be happy

But I forgot it when I came back down.

[symbolman]

3. Yeah, the answer to the Universe and everything in it is

42 of course.

"So what do you know about the attack on the World Trade Center Mr Terrorist?"

"I Smell YELLOW!"

Actually when the Pentagon was asking for ideas on this "war" I'd wanted to write to them and say, "Listen, if you make a fine spray mist that you can float down into the caves of terrorists or during a hostage situation, then these religious fanatics will be so FRIED ON GOD, that you could just walk in and take the hostages OUT without firing a shot.."

But do they listen to me? Naw, they just fuck it all up as usual :)

[dipsydoodle]

4. Didn't do Frank Olsen

too much good : http://www.frankolsonproject.org/

see also http://www.wintersteel.com/files/ShanaArticles/MKULTRA.htm

[Double T]

5. There are no boundaries for bushco's abuse of power........

the entire administration and MUCH of congress has totally run amuck.

[Ian David]

6. See also: Project MKULTRA

Project MKULTRA
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Declassified MKULTRA documents

Project MKULTRA (also known as MK-ULTRA) was the code name for a CIA mind-control research program that began in the 1950s.<1><2> There is much published evidence that the project involved not only the use of drugs to manipulate persons, but also the use of electronic signals to alter brain functioning.<3>

It was first brought to wide public attention by the U.S. Congress (in the form of the Church Committee) and a presidential commission (known as the Rockefeller Commission) (see Revelation below) and also to the U.S. Senate.

On the Senate floor, Senator Ted Kennedy said:

"The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over 30 universities and institutions were involved in an 'extensive testing and experimentation' program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens 'at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign.' Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to 'unwitting subjects in social situations.' At least one death, that of Dr. Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers."<4>

Origins

Headed by Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, MKULTRA was started on the order of CIA director Allen Dulles on April 13, 1953<5>, largely in response to alleged Soviet, Chinese, and North Korean use of mind-control techniques on U.S. prisoners of war in Korea.<6> The CIA wanted to use similar methods on their own captives. The CIA was also interested in being able to manipulate foreign leaders with such techniques<7>, and would later invent several schemes to drug Fidel Castro.

In 1964, the project was renamed MKSEARCH. The project attempted to produce a perfect truth drug for use in interrogating suspected Soviet spies during the Cold War, and generally to explore any other possibilities of mind control.

Because most of the MKULTRA records were deliberately destroyed in 1972 by order of the Director at that time, Richard Helms, it is impossible to have a complete understanding of the more than 150 individually funded research projects sponsored by MKULTRA and related CIA programs. <8>

Experiments were often conducted without the subjects' knowledge or consent.<9>

The experiments

Central Intelligence Agency documents suggest that the agency considered and explored uses of radiation for the purpose of mind control as part of MKULTRA. Other early efforts focused on LSD, which appears to have formed the majority of research as time went on. Experiments included administering the drug to CIA employees, military personnel, doctors, other government agents, prostitutes, mentally ill patients, and members of the general public in order to study their reactions, usually without the subject's knowledge.

The experiments often took a sadistic turn. Gottlieb was known to torture victims by locking them in sensory deprivation chambers while under the psychedelic influence of LSD, or to make recordings of psychiatric patients' therapy sessions, and then play a tape loop of the patient's most self-degrading statement over and over through headphones after the patient had been restrained in a straitjacket and dosed with LSD. Gottlieb himself took LSD frequently, locking himself in his office and taking copious notes.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. Didn't the Nazis do stuff like this to people?

Except they didn't have LSD then, otherwise they would have used it.

What a terrifying experience for someone who probably has never done mind altering drugs.

[elehhhhna]

9. 1) Nazis did lsd experiments, unsuccessfully. 2) We've done this before:

Allegation of medical experiments on "war children" ( European children fathered by US soldiers)

In conjunction with the claim brought before the courts by the war children in 1999, a motion was filed in September 2000 to national headlines alleging 10 war children had unknowingly and involuntarily been subjected to medical experiments with LSD during the 1950s and 1960s. It was further claimed that these experiments were approved by the government and financed by CIA, the american intelligence agency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_children

[hootinholler]

16. What makes you think they stopped?

They just moved over to the OSS which became the CIA. It was a more quiet side of operation paperclip.

-Hoot

[Ian David]

8. I think Bush is using these detainees as oracles to guide him on policy

And we thought Nancy Reagan was weird for consulting a private astrologer.

Bush has turned Gitmo into a combination torture-chamber and Oracle.

"I see a vision of Jim Morrison... and he's standing on a levee in New Orleans... he says to ban stem-cell research... Now please, take the electrodes off my testicles."

[Bandit]

10. I thought using chemical warfare was against Geneva Convention

That is what this is you know...Since the government now thinks it is okay to use LSD I guess the hippies would be justified in dumping some in our water supplies..:shrug: Might save the planet if they did..

[elehhhhna]

11. You hippie freaks and your quaint Oldeurope nostaligia...

sheesh.

[H2O Man]

12. That's ugly.

Hallucinogens can and do have very different effects on various individuals. Thus, while it would seem that this is a cruel and unusual punishment in general, for a significant percentage of the population it risks a lifetime of very negative effects.

[hobbit709]

14. The chances of getting real information that way

are about as good as telling the future from goat entrails. And speaking for myself as an old acidhead it wouldn't work on me at all in terms of getting info.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Well, this explains...

the terror warning about Sentient Purple Clouds from Altair IV.

[michael_1166]

17. They want to destroy the detainees minds

just because they can. It's the same goal like with any other torture. This is not about extracting information at all. It's the playground of sadistic bastards, pure evil. Which is just another name for the US government.

[Warren DeMontague]

18. If psychedelics DON'T cause "months long bouts of serious mental illness"

then they must be lying to all those kids in D.A.R.E. classes. :think:

[Warren DeMontague]

19. Play "Picasso Moon" and he'll break!

No Bob NOOOOOOO!!!!!

(Little Deadhead joke, there.) :hippie:

[tomreedtoon]

20. Does anyone in government EVER learn anything?

It was my understanding that after the 1960's experiments, the government decided that LSD had no useful applications at all. Only idiots like Ken Kesey thought it did.

Why in hell did they start using it again? Are they like those "doctors" in "Medical Block Buchenwald" who did fatal stuff to prisoners, claiming that it was "useful research?"

[Warren DeMontague]

21. Ken Kesey was anything ***but*** an idiot.

Maybe his definition of "useful" wasn't the same as the Government's. :think:

The government wanted to figure out how to use LSD to brainwash people, and found it incredibly ineffective in that regard. :think:

I agree, it's incredibly immoral if they're trying that sort of thing again, but I'm really not sure why that should an excuse for yet another round of DU hippie-bashing and bad mouthing of anyone who ever claimed anything positive out of a voluntary psychedelic experience (Jerry Garcia, Bill Gates and the gents who formed Apple Computer spring immediately to mind, to name just a few)

:think:

[Phrogman]

23. A full blown acid trip during a gitmo style torture session, HOLY SHIT!

Give us ideas for the chimp next year!

[Swamp Rat]

24. YET IT IS ILLEGAL FOR REGULAR CITIZENS TO TRIP WHENEVER WE WANT?

:wtf:

:eyes: Oh yeah, like I'm sure the information interrogators extracted is reliable. :eyes:

:eyes: Fuck! Our government is run by a bunch of wooden-headed Howdy Doodys! :eyes:

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Are you kidding? We spend $40 Billion a year to keep dangerous criminals

like this individual from terrorizing the population with their pernicious non-violent drug offenses:



:sarcasm:

Just like alcohol prohibition, it's a waste of fucking time and resources.

[Swamp Rat]

26. "The Dude abides"

Love that movie - one of my all-time favorites! :smoke: