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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:24 PM
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We Dare Not Speak Its Name
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/lang1.html

So when do we use the word? When do we actually say it? When do we, as clergy, take up the ministry of Ezekiel, and warn our people of that which is coming (Ezekiel 33:1-9)?

So far we have refused to say the word. So far we have not been so bold as to take up Ezekiel’s ministry. Perhaps we are afraid that even if we sounded the alarm our people wouldn’t listen nor would they understand (Isaiah 6). And so, because of our silence, our people are assaulted by fears and suspicions, drifting into sleep, moving step by inevitable step into the abyss traveled by all other empires before ours (Revelation 18).

The signs are clearly all around us. The mission and purpose of the United States is now that of a permanent war economy patrolling the globe and exterminating the infidels (1 Samuel 8). The office of the president, with the acquiescence of the Congress, is fast becoming the office of a supreme leader who can change law through “signing statements” and extinguish law through an assumption of war powers. We have become a nation that practices torture. We have become a nation that targets and kills civilians. We have become a nation that disappears people. We imprison people without trial. We monitor what we say, who we say it to, when we say it, where we say it. All of this in the name of freedom and all of this disguised as justice. All of this covered with the silence and blessing of the clergy who will not blow the trumpet.

The signs are clearly all around us. We have students spying on their professors. We have government agencies spying on us. We have our computer transactions monitored. We have our children accosted by military recruiters at school, through the mail, through the media, at the mall. Meanwhile the price of war rises into the multiple billions even as spending cuts slice through the poor and the working class. But, from the pulpit, we dare not speak its name: this name that has become the reality of our time.

Within the Church there is an irreconcilable divergence emerging (1 John 2:18-19). At its extremes we see the birth of Patriot Pastors in Ohio even as liberal churches become targets for IRS investigations. We see Justice Sundays and the growth of theocratic nationalism even as more are jailed because of their faith-based resistance to the further production of war. From the pulpits of the nation the Sermon on the Mount, christian identification with the poor, the declaration to love our enemies are all replaced with strategies of church growth or manipulations to infiltrate political parties. Congregations insist that clergy dare not speak its name. Congregations insist that clergy stay embedded in their role as chaplain and golf partner. They insist that clergy provide comfort and offer therapeutic guidance. And clergy, with paycheck in hand, and a desire for career advancement in heart, oblige their congregations with false words of “peace, peace” (Jeremiah 8).

But when does it get said? When do we clergy preach I Samuel 8, Isaiah 6, Jeremiah 8, Ezekiel 33, 1 John 2, Revelation 18? When do we prepare our people for the next act of terrorism and the next seizure of power? When do we clergy declare that allegiance to a military security state committed to permanent war is idolatry? When do we cease our support for the regime that sends troops out to oppress, dominate and die while it chants the empty slogan "support our troops?”

When, in other words, will clergy name the disease that is our present reality? When do we speak of it from the pulpit? What are we waiting for? What other signs do we need? Are we waiting for the inevitable arrests of dissidents? Are we waiting for the next invasion, and then the next? Are we waiting for further heresy trials, further church harassment, further cultural friction? Are we waiting until the waters of the coming economic flood finally bubble up under our own chins? When do we dare blow the trumpet and warn our people? When do we dare cast aside the comforts of popularity, prosperity, and privilege so that we finally speak its name? And having spoken it from the pulpit, from the Bible study, from out of each pastoral visit we make, having spoken the Word then perhaps we can lead our people in doing that which only the Church can do: casting out the demon while repenting for the sin of this republic now turned empire. Just like Jesus encountering the man in the tombs, we must begin this exorcism by naming its name: some might call it militarism but I think it is better understood as fascism (Mark 5).


Rev. Rich Lang is Pastor of Trinity United Methodist Church in Ballard. He is currently preaching on THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN A TIME OF WAR and can be contacted at trinity_ballard@yahoo.com or through www.tumseattle.org
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:28 PM
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1. What word?
"Humanity Finally Outgrows Its Obsession With God-Talk"?

No, wait. That's several words.

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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:42 PM
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4. "I think it is better understood as fascism "
The last sentence gives you the word. :P
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:14 AM
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25. I like your several words
'Humanity outgrows Obsession with God-talk'

then comes 'Humanity evolves toward global consciousness'
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:03 AM
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26. Those are good words too.
However I welcome with open arms the support of the religious left in our struggle against fascism. We need all the friends and allies we can get for the struggle ahead.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:29 PM
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2. kick
:kick:
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montanacowboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:39 PM
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3. Awesome simply Awesome
these churches need to start calling it what it is - facism pure and simple -

they need to step up to the plate and start being leaders of their congregations and educating them

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:44 PM
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5. K&R n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:48 PM
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6. Ezekiel 23:1-24 - don't expect the Pope to preach that either...
Amazing what comes out of that big book... :D

http://www.bible.org/netbible/eze23.htm

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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 04:08 PM
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17. Well, now I'm totally confused. What does squeezing breasts and fondling..
... virgin nipples have to do with all this?

And, um, will it be on C-SPAN?


:D
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:18 AM
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23. I understand your confusion.
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 05:25 AM by banana republican
First of all one of the key elements to understanding the bible is that it is in part a political commentary.

Think of it this way:

She lusted after her lovers, the Assyrians

She lusted after oil, power, economic influence.

She bestowed her sexual favors on them

Think of Rummy selling WMD to Iraq daring Ray-gun's administration. (e.g. Rummy screwed with Saddam)

She defiled herself with all whom she desired...for in her youth men had sex with her, fondled her virgin breasts, and ravished her...hey exposed her nakedness, seized her sons and daughters, and killed her with the sword. She became notorious among women, and they executed judgments against her.

Read the book "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" to get an idea of the perversions we are dealing with. This is way beyond any type of sexual thing but is best expressed that way (e.g. Although the image is reversed the message is the same. At the time this was written the Hebrews were trying to form alliances with Assyria & Egypt to avoid war. They were willing to do almost anything. But now we (the US of A) is Assyria fondling & raping the rest of the world),

“For this is what the sovereign Lord says: Look here, I am about to deliver you over to those whom you hate, to those with whom you were disgusted. They will treat you with hatred, take away all you have labored for, and leave you naked and bare. Your nakedness will be exposed, just as when you engaged in prostitution and obscene conduct. I will do these things to you because you engaged in prostitution with the nations, polluting yourself with their idols.

Well guess what is coming our way....

But we can allways repent(e.g. change direction).
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 08:27 PM
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20. Wow. That stuff ain't been redacted yet?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:48 PM
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7. fascismo
Main Entry: fas·cism
Pronunciation: 'fa-"shi-z&m also 'fa-"si-
Function: noun
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces1 often capitalized :

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality -- J. W. Aldridge>
- fas·cist /-shist also -sist/ noun or adjective often capitalized
- fas·cis·tic /fa-'shis-tik also -'sis-/ adjective often capitalized
- fas·cis·ti·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)le/ adverb often capitalized
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:52 PM
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8. I Thought It Was 'Conservation'
Now I have two words to remember not to use.

http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=19617
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Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:53 PM
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9. Wow.
Just wow.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:53 PM
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10. If nobody does the zeke thing
all I can say is DON"t go up on the roof to watch the empire burn.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:54 PM
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11. This is fantastic.. Good on him...K&R..n/t
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:56 PM
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12. Kicking, Bookmarking, and Recommending
:kick:
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:56 PM
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13. wow!
i know it's from LR's site but who gives a shit that was spot on and should be read by everyone says to us why we are so worked up.

thanks for sharing :toast:

peace
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 02:04 PM
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14. Fascism... n/t
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 02:57 PM
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15. The word is "idolatry"
<snip>

When do we clergy declare that allegiance to a military security state committed to permanent war is idolatry?

</snip>
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 03:16 PM
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16. Oh man, POWERFUL! Must read.
:kick:nominated.
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RJRoss Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 07:30 PM
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18. Great essay!
Although I'm an agnostic, I found that quite a powerful read. I used to live in Seattle, and I believe I might have gone to a meeting or two in that church's basement.
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 08:24 PM
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19. I was quite moved. And I'm not a Christian.
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:46 AM
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21. "Clergy with paycheck in hand ...oblige their congregations w/ false words
of "peace, peace".

Right the F on, Pastor Rich Lang. Testifyin'!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:46 AM
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22. Antichrist.
1 John 2:18
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 05:43 AM
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24. There we have it
Great article from a pastor. That's how religious men must fight these fascist fundies.
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DrunkenMaster Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:05 AM
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27. Damn Straight, Reverend!
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 11:11 AM by DrunkenMaster
At least one Christian in the country has their head on straight...now if others would only raise their voices as well.

On Edit: I sent the Reverend a short email of thanks. I hope others do the same: this is a brave move on his part.
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