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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:15 PM
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Fundamentalists are Disowning the Republican Party
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 04:15 PM by sparosnare
I've heard two news reports today that they (as a group) have not received what was expected from working to elect Republicans - they believe they ARE the Republican Party, not just a fringe part of it, and now with this scandal, are embarrassed and disgusted. They will probably stay home and refrain from voting in a few weeks, wanting nothing to do with those currently holding office. That includes Bush - instead of doing what was promised, he has beholden himself to big government and corporations.

I didn't expect such a ramification from the Foley scandal, but if the Republican base stays home, it's good news for us.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:17 PM
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1. The Perfect Storm?
Perhaps.

After Hubris ALWAYS comes Nemesis. Always.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:25 PM
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9. The strangest things can cause it -
I think you may be on to something. :hi:
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:17 PM
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2. From your keyboard to God's modem!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:17 PM
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3. All the lugnuts are off the wheels......
ride's getting mightly wobbly. Wreck impending.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:21 PM
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6. It's that "Oh shit" moment
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:35 PM
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19. LOL!
You know how this turns out.....
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:18 PM
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4. I expected it: Sex scandals are all these fundies comprehend
Killing, lying, stealing, reality don't dent their thought processes, but sex, that wakes em up.

Sad, really, that that is the only thing they hear over speaking in tongues.
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Vexatious Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:19 PM
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5. If Rove gets wind of this
he'll be out there reminding the fundies that it was Bush that put 2 christian fascists in the supreme court.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:22 PM
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7. I think they should start their own party then they can have full control
That's what I told my now full blown nutty-fundy neighbor. They, too are displeased about a child molesting homosexual in "their party".

It's sad, they used to be a nice family and we did backyard cookouts together.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:23 PM
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8. From one of the interviews (wish I could remember name) -
they aren't starting a third party, but will prefer to act as a "third force" to influence both Republicans and Democrats alike.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:36 PM
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12. They can just stay over there with the republicans
I want no part of pandering to them. Regular Christians are great, I love them to pieces and welcome them with open arms. Not the extreme fringe nuts, however. The republicans are the ones who lead them to believe they were special so they should have to deal with them now that they know they're not.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:25 PM
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10. Maybe they finally figured out they were being played.
Edited on Tue Oct-03-06 04:28 PM by SoCalDem
Time to repost my old letter I wrote to them..

My dear Republican friends,

Posted by SoCalDem in Editorials & Other Articles

Sun Aug 15th 2004, 06:52 PM



My dear Republican friends,


So, are you done being "played"??.... Have you "seen the light"??

Right about now, some of you must have noticed that your "boy" is tap dancing as fast as he can, yet he seems to be getting boos instead of rose garlands..

For over 30 years, you have been "played". The people to whom you have trusted your futures, and your children's, have let you down...again..

....These fat-cats at the top of your "party" know full well that some of you don't like "dark people", so they have carefully crafted language that you lap up with a "wink, wink, nod, nod". They have no intention of carrying through with their carefully couched plans to re-segregate and return to the "good ole days" that they pretend to long for.. They like the days NOW.. They are making tons of money by rotating in and out of industry and government.

....The republican-masters at the top of the heap, got that way because THEY control the taxes that they pay. They throw the peons a bone now and then, and let them think that they too are getting a tax break...finally.. But Look at those utility bills, your insurance co-pay, that college tuition bill, the grocery bill...look at the latest rent increase or the increase in property taxes.. That $10 extra every week in your paycheck doesn't BEGIN to cover the increases in the things you pay "hidden" taxes on. Roads are not free, power plants are not free,bridges are not free, city government is not free.. Taxes pay for these things, and when the revenues go down, the COSTS of those public services go UP. It's a fact of life.The extra money you were supposed to have , to help boost the economy, just ends up in another rich man's pocket...along with the hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of tax cuts HE got.

....They know that some of you are truly religious, so they came up with a "bone" for you all too.. They ooze "faith" from each and every pore when they are talking to you all and asking for votes, but behind closed doors, they continue to cheat on their wives, abuse their kids, and do all the things that they profess to hate. True faith is more than carrying a Bible around, or saying "God Bless Anerica every time a microphone and camera are near. Faith is what you have in your heart, your soul...not what dangles from a shirt sleeve or drips off a lying tongue.


....They know how you all loathe the "welfare queens" ..Ronald Reagan told you all about them.. The ones with the fur coats and Cadillacs, out to collect their food stamps..She was a made up myth.. The real welfare queens are visible when the fat cats look in the mirror. They "rent" public land for pennies to graze their cattle...they take kickback subsidies for their corporations, and then they lay you and your friends off.. They tell you about all the wonderfully diabolical things they have in store for those "damned immigrants" , but they are the ones who offer jobs to them.. Why?? Because they know that the immigrants will be too afraid to dare ask for a raise, or bathrooms or decent wages, or health insurance..These workers get hurt on the job, and then have to go to emergency rooms. which raises the cost for all of us.. The reason they get hurt is because these same fat cats have bribed our legislators to "ease" the safety requirements on the job.. If they end up blind in one eye, it's no biggie to the bosses.. immigrants have TWO eyes..

....These same politicians know that if you ever got some truth , you might see through their lies, so they have made sure that the airwaves are chocked full of people who "sound reasonable", yet seem to always agree with only their ideas.. Didn't it ever strike you as odd, that no matter what time of day you turned on the radio for all those years, you rarely (if ever) heard an opposing opinion? These fat cats at the top, have tons of money, but they still needed to "push your buttons" and "ring your bells" to get you out to vote for them. They had to have a perpetual way to get your attention..and they needed to keep you "upset and angry" enough to turn out on election day.

About those buttons and bells:

....Abortion is always a bell they can ring, and their Pavlovian supporters start salivating. Whether your unknown-to-you neighbor has an abortion, or does not, should be of little consequence to you, but over the years, they and their preacher friends have somehow convinced a lot of you, that by inserting yourselves into the crotches of all women, you are endearing yourselves to God Almighty. Do you really think that you are getting "extra credit" for screeching epithets at women who may be entering a clinic for a pap smear, or that God will praise you for encouraging "physicicide"?
Ask yourselves , truthfully, if you would welcome the child of YOUR 13 year old who was raped..or would you just quietly call a doctor-friend, who would "help" in such a situation?

....Guns are always a fun issue for them too. They know that a lot of their supporters are gun aficionados, so they try to scare you into thinking that the next knock on your door will be Ted Kennedy coming to collect all your guns.. Cars are registered, and yet, unless you miss payments,no one is coming to take your car away from you. In case you haven't noticed, there are democrats who like guns too.

....School vouchers are another interesting wedge issue, since it hits on several of their "issues". "Upper-Crusty" Private schools probably see the government vouchers as valuable as toilet paper for their little scions who attend, but for the storefront Bible oriented schools, these are manna from heaven.Vouchers themselves are not the problem, as much as they are a clever way to funnel public tax money into private enterprises, while weakening the public schools that most people choose for their kids.. This should be an issue for you to be on the "other" side. Taking public money for private use seems like something that fiscal conservatives would be against. Somehow, they have managed to convince a bunch of you that with that $3,000 voucher in your hand, it's "next-stop-Exeter" for little Jim Bob , jr... What that voucher will do for you is allow other fat cats like Bill (the Gambler) Bennett to sell some of his software so he can hit Vegas in style..Neil (Asian girls have sex with him for free) Bush also is into the private school scams, so your vouchers help him pay his alimony and child support.

....School prayer is always good for a few hoots too. Every religious kid on earth has prayed in school, but organized prayer in school (unless it's a religious school) is NOT OK. This does not mean that God has no place in school. God can be in each student's heart and soul. Teacher-led or school sanctioned public prayer is NOT for public school, and deep down you know it. It's an interesting issue to drag out of the closet every election year.

The flip side of "your" issue is this... If Susie Jones can lead the Lord's Prayer, and all are expected to chime in, how will YOUR child feel when Mohamed leads the prayer from the Koran, or a Jewish child leads the prayer, or a Hindu child, or a Sikh child, or a Buddhist child? Will your child behave respectfully, or will they come home and after telling you, will YOU run to complain to the school board?? Like it or not, we ARE a pluralistic society, and the "new people" who have come here with their faith and customs, are allowed to have the same rights as you have.

....What if you found out that the two elderly "sisters" who have lived in your neighborhood for 30 years, are really not sisters? What if they had babysat for your kids, and you had invited them to Thanksgiving Dinner? What if you had liked them for all those years, and THEN you found out that they were gay? Does that make you a bad judge of character? Does that mean that somehow your children will "turn gay" because you found out about them? Will your marriage suddenly crumble to dust because someone you thought was an old maid, turned out to be a lesbian? Will they now expect you to "join them"?? or will they just be what they have always been...your neighbors. Ask yourself about your own children.. What would you really do if your own child was gay? Would you disown a 12 year old who told you he thought he liked boys "in that way"?? Does that make you a bad parent for raising him "wrong"??

....That brings us to the "wacky environmentalists" and their "junk science". Have you ever wondered why so much energy , money and attention is paid to discredit scientists who have spent their lifetimes trying to figure out how to save lives and make our health better? Why WOULD that be?? Hmmmm ..Maybe it's because the tale they are telling us contradicts the corporate masters of your politicians who allow these same companies to pollute your water, air and soil. Is it OK for your baby to get "a little" mercury, arsenic,plutonium, or any other toxins out there?? Do you know what your baby's "upper limit" is regarding tolerance of toxins.?? The "slow" child at 5, may have been poisoned as a baby, and you will NEVER EVER get an answer.. Isn't it better to try whatever it takes, to eliminate ALL toxins from our food chain, and from our air and water?? How is that a BAD thing?? To hear Rush & the gang, one would think that people who legislate for money and corporations who are in it for the money, actually do have your best interests at heart.. Do they?? Is it worth your health or the lives of your children, if they are wrong?? If the environmentalists are wrong, all you get out of it is cleaner air, cleaner water, safer food.. That's a BAD thing??

....Last but not least , we have that "icky" war thing.. I know that most of you wrapped yourselves in the flag-cocoon with him, and probably thought that we did "need" to attack Iraq, but isn't it a shame that nothing has turned out the way he said they would.. Flag worship is NOT the same as Patriotism..True Patriotism is a mature love of country.. Patriots love their country, but they are grown up enough to support their country with full knowledge, that their country can make mistakes. Flag worshippers love their country like a jealous lover, ready always for vengeance and spite.

Soldiers keep dying, and we are no closer to the Iraqi Dream that they told you all about.. You know the one.. The one where they race alongside the Humvee, throwing kisses and flowers.. Here are a few facts.. There never were WMDs..(well there were, but those were the ones that his Daddy gave Saddam, and Clinton destroyed 99% of them, and the rest were rusted pieces of junk).. The only things thrown at the humvees were rocks and bombs.

Bush KNEW there were no WMDs.. He LIED.. You all jumped for joy when Clinton was coerced into a lie about sex, yet can so easily ignore a BIG FAT UGLY LIE that has gotten over 2,700 soldiers, and untold Iraqis killed..Shame on you !..There were ZERO Iraqis on the planes that crashed into our buildings..ZERO..ZERO..

Do you really believe, deep down in your bones, that George W cares one iota about the welfare of the Iraqi people?? Of course he does not. It's about enriching his contractor friends, and his daddy, and of course, himself..when he leaves office. It's about the "Grand Plan"..the one where the US controls the world.. It's almost a James Bond-like fantasy, only it's NOT A MOVIE.. Real people are spilling real blood,thousands of them, and the end game is not one that he could have predicted. He failed to plan for what happens after the tanks, and choppers, and Humvees "won the war"..

The Iraqi people have been a civilization for thousands of years, and they are very capable of handling their own affairs. Lots of people around the world feel that OUR leader is a dangerous man. Should their feelings count for nothing?? If they had the military strength, what would happen if they decided to "remove" our leader? Would you take up arms against them?? Of course you would. This mis-adventure is turning out badly because it was unnecessary from the beginning.He was hell-bent to have his "war", even though he had a perfectly appropriate opportunity many years ago, but was too scared to go. He needed to be the wartime hunky president in a padded flight suit.. It's always about the photo-ops.

....If you sit down and play a game of "pretend" you will see the light.. Here's how you play.. Read any article and every time the word "Bush" appears, substitute "Clinton".. Do a "gut-check"..Tight, uneasy, angry, conflicted?..

You have been "played", but it's not hopeless. Imagine YOUR job out-sourced.. Imagine YOUR insurance gone... Imagine yourself homeless.. Imagine your own child stricken with a preventable cancer.. Imagine your own freedom ...gone.. It's almost there.. But there is still time..

No one is telling you that you MUST vote for Kerry, or any other democrat...just that you take the time to think for yourself..analyze what you read.. Read foreign papers.. There is actually "news" in other places, and things that happen here DO affect them too.. They have a stake in what happens here..

It's called empathy.. Look it up.. It's helpful and it really does not cost that much.. The returns far outweigh the cost.


edited to update dead soldiers (original said "almost 1000"..:(..)
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:49 PM
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15. That's a great letter!
Maybe they have figured out they're being played; sure did sound angry, they've been "betrayed".
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:31 PM
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11. My family are all fundamentalist. They say: We know now about Foley, who
else is out there that we don't know about?

Most people's first thought is - what if that were MY child? People of any and all political parties can relate to this incident and are repulsed by it.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:41 PM
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21. My family tried to say that, but then I responded with The List.
Come on now. Anyone paying attention has seen how prevalant predation and sex addiction is in the Republican party. Fundamentalists are beyond amazing when it comes to the capacity to live life behind rose colored blinders.
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DaveJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:41 PM
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13. Same here...
My wife has a fundie friend who said today she's "never been so disgusted with herself in her life" for voting for for those people.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:45 PM
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14. fundys
Have them form their own party, WE dont want them in the Dem party we have 'Fun' without them
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:54 PM
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16. They've never really gotten anything: abortion is still legal.
Aside from some funding through the faith-based initiative I really can't think of what they've gotten from this guy specific to their agenda. The anti-gay marraige bills from the last election were referendums; the Republican Party can't properly take credit for their passage.

If I were to ever get in an argument with a Republican about abortion, I wouldn't have to really talk about whether or not a fetus is a human being or accuse them of trying to control women (which I think has always been the worst strategy to compel people, to put thoughts in their heads for them); all I'd really have to say is "the Republicans are never gonna do anything about that".
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 04:56 PM
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17. That's what one of the guys was saying -
abortion is still legal, marriage definition isn't part of the Consitution - a few other things. Their core issues have all been ignored and they're pissed.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:00 PM
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18. why would fundies -- the very people who so often CREATE
child sex abusers abandon their political bedfellows?
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-03-06 05:41 PM
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20. In reality, this country is too big and diverse for just two political
parties. And we should abolish the Electoral College and initiate some form of Instant Runoff Voting.
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