Congress Just made Bush King! Why take Rove's Foley bait?

[omega minimo]

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right.
Thomas Paine

[Twist_U_Up]

1. smoke and mirrors

they have been doing this for years and people keep falling for it.

[aquart]

2. Aww, you think Rove is controlling this.

Because he is, after all, the all-powerful Oz.

Nobody can fight his genius.

Nothing could ever possibly go our way.

Riiiiight.

Thank you for your concern.

[Bluebear]

3. Yes, that Rove, what a genius, He coevered this up for five years.

And only unleashed it now.

[LeftCoast]

4. Well, we all know that Rove is all-powerful (ha!), but I fail to see how

this helps the republicans in any way.

[BattyDem]

23. I agree. Why would Rove do this?

This situation is very bad for the GOP.

[uppityperson]

5. I laugh at this because they have taken so much from me.

they have taken away my rights, and kill others while encouraging others to kill more, and destroy the environment, and made a dictator to rule. I am fighting all that, and enjoy a chance to laugh at a stupid thing that will take some of them down.

[TayTay]

6. This is the arrogance of power, not bait

These people thought they were bullet-proof and could make up the rules themselves and decide who the rules applied to as they pleased. They also thought they would rule forever and that they could intimidate the nation into looking the other way forever. They were wrong. Arrogance, sooner or later, always catches up with you.

Karl Rove would be the last man on the face of this earth to cook up a sex scandal for the GOP that involved a 47 - 52 year old man soliciting sexual comments from minors over the internet. His whole career is built on making smears like that stick to Democrats precisely because he knows the power these charges bring.

It is well past time that we stop ascribing super-natural powers to Karl Rove. He is a cheap two-bit thug who will smear opposition candidates with anything he has. That is his method, it's not rocket science. People like that are uniquely candidates for being 'hoisted on their own petards,' so to speak, which is probably the case here. Or, as my mother used to say, what goes around comes around.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself, not that toad Rove.

[Journeyman]

7. Damn. Even at Nuremburg the prosecution had Conspiracy doubts. . .

but you give credence to the wildest flights of fancy.

[omega minimo]

9. Congress Just made Bush King

:evilfrown:

[Journeyman]

11. And Hitler was a totalitarian ruler. Infinitely more powerful. . .

than a mere King, and yet those who prosecuted the Nazi regime found room for doubt about the Conspiracy charges both while they wrote the ex post facto laws against it and when prosecuting under those laws. And all you can tell me is, Bush is a King, so I should believe every fantasy you concoct?

[omega minimo]

16. No

Bush is a King, so I should believe every fantasy you concoct?:puke: thats your trip

[Journeyman]

24. Ha, ha, ha. . .

You have difficulties believing what you write?

Congress Just made Bush King! Why take Rove's Foley bait?

[omega minimo]

38. What I wrote is

Why fixate on a sex scandal that emerged at the very moment that Congress approved Bush's Terror bill?

Why be so easily distracted?

Why call for INVESTIGATIONS into a sex scandal and not BUSHCO'S high crimes and misdemeanors?

I don't care about Karl Rove.

[tigereye]

40. no, the Rep house (overall, not Congress) is in serious disorder

I mean, the guy pretended to be protecting kids and was a burgeoning, if not actual, pedophile. It's classic Rep. hypocrisy.

[omega minimo]

44. Is that more important than Congressional complicity in Bushco's crimes?

[tigereye]

45. no, it's just one more symptom of it....

[omega minimo]

46. yep

:thumbsdown:

[rubberducky]

8. Well it did suceed in taking

Iraq and torture off the front page.

[never_get_over_it]

13. But sadly more people will get this scandal than

the torture bill - Merkins understand sex - not so much habeas corpus....

There is no reason in the world Rove would want this to come out five weeks before the election...if he wanted to get torture and Iraq off the front page he could have cooked up a terra alert - which they might just do to get Foley off the front page....

[fujiyama]

25. Actually if you look at it another way

it all ties together.

For the likes of Foley and Hastert, why would you expect anything like Abu Ghraib to offend them? Sexual torture and humiliation all tie together. It's all part of their mentality.

[marions ghost]

Exactly

When you base your entire political career on predation and submission--what's a little torture somewhere, what's a little sexual aberration? To them, these are not shameful behaviors, just PR problems.

The Neocons are sick, sick, sick.

[Spazito]

10. LOL, and how does this major scandal benefit the repubs

5 weeks before the midterms? A SEX scandal, a scandal that names directly or indirectly the House leadership as aiding and abetting a sexual predator, a scandal that the average Jane and Joe can understand and be disgusted, how does this possibly help the repubs???

[omega minimo]

12. Congress Just made Bush King!

A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong gives it a superficial appearance of being right.
Thomas Paine

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. And You Just Made Rove God!

I mean, after all, he is all knowing and all powerful and is the root of and cause of all things right?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Spazito]

29. Congress can unmake the king as easily as they made him

and winning the house, which this scandal has made even more likely, is the key to removing the king's crown and beginning the investigations.

[omega minimo]

33. are you sure

unmake the king as easily as they made him...
which this scandal has made even more likely...
beginning the investigations...

[Raksha]

14. Thanks for your concern. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. Bait? Oh Give Me A Friggin Break LOL This Is A Huge Story With All Sorts

of implications. Why on earth would you be wanting to diminish its importance? :shrug:

Do you not think DU'ers can discuss more than one topic at once? Do you honestly think this tremendously negative for the GOP scandal is not worthy of discussion here? Have you not seen the existance of the bunch of other threads that still talk about the torture bill?

Pretty perplexing why you would have such animosity towards the issue of Foley, when technically it is probably the absolutely most momentum gaining thing for the Dems that we've probably had in friggin months!

But yeah, maybe we should just sweep it under the rug and hope no one talks about it anymore. After all, it appears we can only address one topic at a time right? :eyes:


On edit: OH MY GOD I didn't even see the Rove reference the first time I read it. You think this is a Rove trap? Seriously? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[bklyncowgirl]

18. Everybody loves a sex scandal!

Most people who are not totally committed don't want to make of things like--well torture. On one hand they don't like the idea, but on the other they can buy the ticking bomb scenario where if someone isn't made to talk alot of people are going to die.

A sex scandal is so much more easy to understand. Everyone can have a strone and completely informed opinion. Remember Wilbur Mills in the Tidal Basin with a stripper, remember Gary Hart on the "Monkey Business" with a babe on his lap. Remember Bill and Monica, and Genifer, and Paula and--well you get the picture.

Here's a Congressman who turns out to be a sexual predator. A Republican, no less, Chairman of the committee on missing and exploited children, no less.

If you have kids, if you know any kids, you have an opinion and that opinion is (Unless you're a totally committed Republican) you are ready to hang the bastard by that anatomical part that he apparently wanted the teenage pages to measure.

[omega minimo]

19. completely informed opinion?

:shrug:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

22. Here, I'll Help

A completely informed opinion is one that is based on a wide enough array of sources to rule out inaccuracy and provide the one making the opinion with more then enough awareness to judge the situation fairly and with all information at their disposal to forge an educated and thoroughly aware opinion. This would be a more valid opinion than say one made based on knee jerk emotional reaction such as one declaring Rove as the mastermind behind anything and everything.

There. Now next time someone uses it you won't have to shrug in display of not understanding what it means.

Hope I've been a help. :hi:

[omega minimo]

36. "A sex scandal is so much more easy to understand."

You are so right. It is easier.

"Everyone can have a strone and completely informed opinion."

Opinions may be strong, but given the state of M$M, doubtful that they are "completely informed." :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

20. Just saw cnn.com - it's AMAZING the number of things Rove came up with...

... I mean, there are SO MANY stories that are unrelated to bush/tyranny - it's OBVIOUSLY rove!

More DUer genius.

:rofl:

[Trajan]

21. Cant think of two things at once ? ....

The world is a complicated, manifold, complex environment ....

Expand your mind ... Let yourself think ....

Enough of these 'one or the other' fallacies ....

[JeffR]

26. In re: Karl Christian Rove (a re-post)

In re: Karl Christian Rove
Posted by JeffR in General Discussion
Tue Jun 13th 2006, 12:43 PM
He's an evil genius. He's the poster child for Hard Right political cunning. He's got Democrats by the short hairs and he's preparing to yank them out by the follicles. He's invincible. He's unstoppable. He's Karl Christian Rove, mastermind of the Thousand Year Bushreich.

Well, no.

I don't doubt, in his little piggy heart of hearts, he wishes he were all these things. And I don't doubt that many progressives sincerely believe he is all these things. My take is a little different.

Karl Rove is a mere political strategist. His bag of tricks is as small as his wizened scrotum, and just like that portion of his pigment-free, endomorphic anatomy, it contains only two things.

Fear and smear.

Enough to get the job done, pretty much. With the massive enabling power of the conservative media machinery grinding out screeching symphonies of sycophancy and simpering pseudo-patriotic propaganda twenty-four hours a day, with the pussy-footing and hamfisted miscalculation of elected Democrats (not all, but most) who can't distinguish between "repose" and "oppose", with a huge proportion of the populace still so spooked by September 11 it is willing to have its Constitutional rights pissed on, Rove's handiwork has been so easy to accomplish that any mean-spirited 12-year old could have achieved exactly the same result.

America has spent fifty years lurching around with its right foot caught in a bucket. If you listen closely, the clang-clang-clang of that bucket bumping along the pavement of our "bridge to the 21st Century" sounds like words. Listen: "support the troops", "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here", "they hate us for our freedoms", "love it or leave it", "liberals cut and run", "Heartland", "Homeland", "Democrats are out of touch with mainstream American values", "get a haircut", "my country, right or wrong".

Oh, one more thing to add to the unfortunate genital metaphor above: dangling like a purple dolphin just above his little bag of tricks is the organ with which Rove - like so many similarly-endowed Republican strategists before him - has repeatedly screwed the body politic in every available orifice: cheating.

Minority voter disenfranchisement. Gerrymandered districts. Voting machine misallocation. Phone jamming. Ballot switching. Vote counting manipulation. And, if all else fails, drag an election through the courts, higher and higher until finally, Justices Pubic-Hair and Vaffanculo can tip the balance. Presto: Chauncey Gardiner is now the president. It's mourning in America.

Karl Rove's indictment - or lack thereof - never mattered a whit in the great scheme of things. His continued presence - or lack thereof - doesn't change the political calculus this November one iota.

Any Democratic candidate this year should already know that "fear, smear and cheat" will be the tactics of their Republican opponent. Any Democratic candidate will face the usual hot-button rhetoric, the usual shameless distortion of the truth, the usual Orwellian lexicon, the usual transparent appeals to fear, xenophobia and American exceptionalism. Same old same old. Any Democratic voter should know this too.

This will be so whether Rove is kitted out with an orange jumpsuit or whether his pudge is swaddled in the usual Armani. This will be so if the wrath of God descends on him tomorrow and casts him into the bowels of Hell where he can party at the feet of the Devil with Strom Thurmond and Richard Nixon.

Rove didn't invent the recipe for this little excrement soufflé. It's a traditional Republican dish, to which he added a little Tex-Mex spicing. Let's just say he's a decent cook, but he ain't no master chef.

In short, Karl Christian Rove is irrelevant. This is my first and last comment on him.

There's work to be done taking this country back. See y'all later.

[omega minimo]

27. Sen. Democrats that voted FOR the torture bill

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2279514&mesg_id=2279514


Carper (Del.)
Johnson (S.D.)
Landrieu (La.)
Lautenberg (N.J.)
Lieberman (Conn.)
Menendez (N.J)
Pryor (Ark.)
Rockefeller (W. Va.)
Salazar (Co.)
Stabenow (Mich.)
Nelson (Fla.), Nelson (Neb.):hi:

[JeffR]

28. But not because Rove told them to

[omega minimo]

32. !

:wow:

[Journeyman]

31. Excellent post, Jeff . . .

I've often wondered why more people on these boards don't understand the simple ideas you've written about and then I remember, too many on these boards lack a strong sense of history. If more read, and took the effort to understand as you have done, there'd be a lot less hysteria over the supposed "supernatural" endowments of a middling political operative like Karl Rove.

[JeffR]

34. Well said

Awareness of history is often the missing ingredient. And after a lifetime of watching these cretins in action, going back farther than I care to think about, nothing much surprises me or makes me fear their supposedly unstoppable machinations. Politics as usual has changed in its outward appearances, but beneath that skin, it's pretty much unchanged since Machiavelli.

[omega minimo]

35. Great post but as irrelevant here as you say Rove is

Hi JeffR :hi: .....well not really "irrelevant" but I don't care what kind or caliber of "evil genius" Rove is or isn't........

The point is, this sex scandal is another distraction -- whoever dropped it in the mix right now doesn't matter -- and the fact that Democrats are all atwitter about it is an indictment of us.

After the little snarky swipes b/w you and Journeyman about "too many on these boards lack a strong sense of history" and "hysteria over the supposed "supernatural" endowments of a middling political operative like Karl Rove" all I can say is a friendly :puke:

You're right: "Awareness of history is often the missing ingredient." And believe me "after a lifetime of watching these cretins in action, going back farther than I care to think about" that is why another sexed up weapon of mass distraction (whoever is or isn't wielding it) -- at the moment of Congress selling out America (again) and increasing the power of the Imperial Executive (again) and supposedly counting on Bushco's packed SCOTUS to correct their legislative transgressions -- is a problem.

Habeas Corpus? Oh look!!!! Shiny Sex Talk!!!!! OOOOOOOoooooooohhhhhhh!! UMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I'm tellin!!

So please don't misunderstimate my grasp of history. If we Americans NEVER learn to stay on topic and hold our unaccountable leaders accountable (however that is possible at this point) this pathetic cycle of empire building and totalitarian rule will continue "pretty much unchanged."

[JeffR]

39. Didn't mean to imply an ignorance of history on your part

But despite the nature of what's really at stake with the viability of American democracy - which you summarize well - it's inevitable that a sex scandal like this will have its own special resonance in a way that the Sec. of State "not remembering" Tenet's urgent warnings will not. I wish it were otherwise, but many people, and not all of them on the wrong side of the aisle, do go all a-twitter over something like this, or Senator Macaca's mother, or some such ephemeral nonsense. Naturally the MSM plays a role in this. Bush invades Iraq on a pretext of lies and the media rolls over for another tummy-scratch. Foley tries to seduce a page and all of a sudden the media is a pack of sharks in a blood-frenzy.

In the end, anything that makes Republicans look foolish, corrupt, perverted, incompetent, hypocritical and/or dishonest is a very good thing. That some are distracted by trivialities from the overarching issues is unfortunate, but as we've seen for the last half-decade, there will not be a Final Great Meltdown of the Crooks. They will have to die the death of a thousand cuts. Foleygate is not the fatal blow, but the Republicans are now hemorrhaging a little more because of it. For that, I feel only gladness.

[omega minimo]

47. It seems that lack of historical perspective or understanding government

is why the attention is SOOOOoooooooooooo easy to divert.

Too many don't understand US government enough to be concerned, aware, scared shitless.........

[JeffR]

49. Yeah, the 'politics doesn't interest me' crowd

whose communities, companies, families, friends and whose own lives are affected daily by what governments do or do not do. Drives me crazy.

[readmoreoften]

30. I'm glad there's an anti-GOP scandal, and we should maximize it.

But.

America just died. Foley's pedophilia isn't going to revive it.

[omega minimo]

37. "America just died. Foley's pedophilia isn't going to revive it."

And we didn't even have a funeral....................................





Somebody change the channel!!

[Beelzebud]

41. Why give Rove so much fucking credit?

Rove is not the fucking evil-genius mastermind that many say he is.

He's just evil.

If you honestly think this child sex scandal somehow helps the republicans, you are crazy.

I mean hell, why not go to the next level:

Karl Rove behind today's school shooting to distract voters!!!!

[omega minimo]

43. Sorry --that wasn't the main point (as already noted in the thread)

Distraction is distraction.

Hartmann is on air this morning talking about what it's distracting FROM...

[lumberjack_jeff]

42. Bwahaha: "so long as they're calling us the Grand Old Perverts..."

"they won't notice that we're actually fascists."

At risk of understatement, I think this theory is flawed.

From their perspective Jon Benet is a useful distraction. Terri Schiavo is a useful distraction. Masturgate is a catastrophe.

[jillan]

48. Grand Old Perverts!

:toast:

[slaveplanet]

50. Yep , this is eerily similar

to when the first Patriot act passed.

The Foley thing started breaking on Wednesday, and by Friday they get a vote of 100-0 to make Bush the Furher.

Eject one of their own, knowing they have the goods on everyone else as well. And then they all walk in lockstep real quick.

Having complete control of media in a way that would make the Soviets blush, having a complete and totally compromised Senate as well, and things get done.

We are about to enter even darker days.

[omega minimo]

51. There it is

:hi: