C-SPAN WJ: Frank Luntz & Anna Greenberg

[KharmaTrain]

Think what you will about the guy and that racoon that lives on his head, Luntz is a brilliant pollster and said that 47% of people he's interviewed catagorize themselves as "angry and mad as hell and not gonna take it anymore". He's laid low this campaign and is polling for Faux (a reason their numbers aren't as biased as usual). He also had a falling out last year with the booshies, so I think he's quietly hoping to see the Repugnicans take a beating.

Cheers...

[Skidmore]

1. Luntz can only sit and say "but Dems do it too."

Frankie is looking a lot like your stereotypical "terraist" this morning. Very scruffy indeed.

[KharmaTrain]

2. It's The Best Way To Dress That Pig

Look at how every problem the Repugnicans inflict upon themselves, the first thing they do is look for a Democratic equivelent as though that innoculates them from their own slime. Frankie doesn't look very convinced in this talking points. I remember the days when he had that look like the cat that ate the canary. Today he looks like he's coming off a long bender.

[liberaldemocrat7]

31. Refutation of that scandianvian Republican Frank Luntz

We should send the scandinavian Republicans back to Scandinavia.


The oil companies lowered the prices on their own to help the Republicans before the election.

National Security: The Republicans failed to defend America on Sept 11, 2001. Republicans appear weak on national defense, national security and terrorism.

The Medicare part D program only helps low income people, and not middle income people where they only get a 20 percent discount on average.

[acmejack]

3. He is still a scumsucker.

[KharmaTrain]

4. Agreed...He's Spinning His Ass Off

The most telling thing he let slip is how in '02 and '04 people saw Repugnicans as people as they could trust but today people don't trust either party.

He's trying to play the low expectations game...something I expect we'll hear a lot more as election day nears...and it looks as though Repugnicans will take a beating. They've started with the "Democrats have no ideas" shtick (which Luntz surely had a hand in) and will move next to "both parties are bad" (trying to slide the slime from one side onto the next) in an effort to drive down interest in the election.

[thepurpose]

8. It obvious all the bullshit he is spinning. For example what the hell the

difference does it make what label you give immigrants crossing the border to work here.

[KharmaTrain]

17. Read The Code Words...Racism Wrapped In "Law & Order"

The terms "illegal" and "alien" are both very negative...something to hate or fear. Undocummented is technical and benign. Remember, Luntz plays with words. He keeps talking about the "intensity"...that's what he's trying to wrachet up here.

[Cassandra]

29. We should give him a carding comb full of wool...

so all that spinning would produce something useful.

[thepurpose]

5. Ok Luntz is spining like crazy. Just because the demos don't vote for a

bill doesn't mean they are not strong or weak on any thing. If its a bad bill no one should vote for it because it does not solve a problem it creates more.

[femmocrat]

6. I'm trying, but getting sicker by the second.

"What part of illegal don't democrats understand?" Augh!!! Look thee to the White House and Congress, you a-hole!!!

Then he was whining about the democrats running negative ads? OMG!!! Anna Greenberg is doing a great job shooting him down, fortunately!

[Kurovski]

7. He still make sfalse claims about Dems,

as the Democratic pollster pointed out on the program.

He is deranged, immoral filth, pretty much.

[DemReadingDU]

9. Luntz - spin spin spin

interesting debate this morning

[KharmaTrain]

10. Anna's Taking No Quarter

Luntz tried the nice guy act hoping to disarm her and be able to throw his spin without being called on it. Anna's wise to his crap.

Ironically, Luntz just stated his position on the immigration problem as that professed by most Democrats. Talk about spinning yourself completely around.

Now he's trying to lecture her? I can see steam coming out of his ears. LOL.

[ClintonTyree]

11. Luntz is a brilliant man.........

just think what he could accomplish if he put his efforts to good use instead of making it easier for the Republicans to control the world?
My message to Frank: come into the light. Leave the darkness behind and make a REAL difference in the world. Let the Republicans sink in their morass of lies, graft and corruption. Help the world instead of abetting it's destruction.
I don't suppose I'll get a reaction from Frank. He sold his soul to the devil a long time ago. Too bad. He could be a positive force in the world but he chooses to lie down with dogs instead. :shrug:

[thepurpose]

13. Sorry Frank is effective not necessarily the same thing as brilliant.

[thepurpose]

12. Anna just put up very good point about GWB did the same cross the party

line bull shit until he got elected.

[Philosoraptor]

14. hey frank, what about your boy's 'guest worker' program?

bush wants the mexican slaves to be here.

[Kurovski]

15. Now he's practicing the Republican's favorite technique

of making things personal and deflecting from the topic at hand.

As someone else mentioned, he's lecturing her.

It's obvious and really obnoxious.

[KharmaTrain]

16. He's Putting On A Clinic

All the techniques the wingnuts are taught...well Luntz wrote the damn book. He's attempting to make her look "unreasonable" so any of his lies sound "reasonable" and when she confronts him, he's losing it.

Another amazing Luntz statistic...80% of people would vote for a third party...or someone different (note the someone different). What that's really saying in 80% of the people in this country don't like the one party rule.

Anna's done her homework.

[thepurpose]

18. Okay. Anna against Frank and the idiot callers is not a fair fight.

They should have brought on Limbaugh and Hannity to make this a little bit even.

[xchrom]

19. frank ''death tax'' luntz is an historic figure.

you're right -- he is brilliant -- and he's showing how he works right before our very eyes on c-span.

he knows that americans at their heart are knee-jerk -- and he knows how to cut through and get people to dance like puppets.

luntz is right up there with strauss, weyrich, gingrich in making the republican party it is today.

[KharmaTrain]

20. He Wants Immigration To Be The Issue

Have we heard Frank mention Iraq once yet? Not gonna.

Seems the one few "nuggets" he can pull out of his ass is "illegal immigration". He wants this to be a big issue cause its one of the few that can energize independents to vote for Repugnicans.

[acmejack]

21. Frank "you don't know seniors"

Uh, Frank... Maybe those us that rely on these meds do know something about these things you damned prick! This man never fails to infuriate me! He is an unabashed liar!

[acmejack]

22. Oversight hearings?

Surely you jest, Frank! One funny fellow...

[KharmaTrain]

23. He's Shilling For Chris Shays Now

He's condescending and attempting to lecture Anna with spin. He's giving lots of red meat to the wingnuts. It'll be interesting how many of his talking points end up on hate radio and on Faux Noise later.

[derby378]

24. Anna Greenberg seems like a pushover

Doesn't know how to frame, can't hold her own against Luntz. Can't we get a streetfighting Democrat to debate this moran?

[KharmaTrain]

26. Luntz Is Trying To Box Her...

When you get into a "framing game", Luntz can then disarm a critic and just blow non-stop talking points.

Anna's problem is she is mad and it's coming across in a negative way, while Luntz is turning his anger into a rhetorical tool and relentless in trying to call Anna "unreasonable"

He'd pull the same trick against anyone you put up there and he will only back down if you hammer him. Left unchecked, he'll spew half truths that feel good, sound good...simple answers that are easily framed. Anna's doing a good job shooting them down as they come and knocking him back a peg.

[xchrom]

34. i despise luntz -- but i thought greenberg couldn't shine his shoes.

he was brilliant at key holing the issues -- and cornering democrats.

do i think it's probably too little to late for the november elections -- i don't know.

but the democrats need to learn from and need to learn to battle luntz.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

32. IMO, she appealed to thinking viewers, while Luntz tossed out red meat

to the Pavlovian dog audience. Where do immigration and financing the UN fall in the list of voters' priorities every pollster must know by heart?

The Hudson Institute, which apparently paid for what I'd bet was crudely biased question wording, must be giving Luntz a bonus for "disseminating the findings" on ostensibly nonpartisan cable shows.

[DemReadingDU]

25. What part of illegal immigration don't you understand!

edit to add - caller to Frank

[Skidmore]

27. Luntz' s response to the nurse who was the mom of a soldier was

laughable. Talk about BS. He feels her pain and he has a friend on a ship. The fool. She was calling him on his lie on Republicans conducting oversight of the war. She called him on his lie about the pharma law. All he could do was say he empathized in 500 words. That's a tactic that needs to be derailed. If Rs empathize, then why haven't they acted on the true concerns of the nation. More talk. Smoke and mirrors, like the earlier caller about illegal immigration pointed out. Weasel words.

[DemonFighterLives]

28. I failed to see Luntz as brilliant

All he had was republican spin and seemed to want to attack Anna rather than answer a damn question from a caller. Always comparing reps. to the dirty dems. who have no plan.
Main point- we haven't been attacked since 911. I assume that leaves 911 on Clinton, so dubby gets a free pass. Crying about 5Billion spent on something, but no mention of the 500 billion spent on Iraq causing death and destruction and making the world less safe.

Anna did the best she could and her very best was rolling her eyes at one of the goofy callers. :eyes:
:dem:

[Kurovski]

37. I see Luntz in the same frame as I do Coulter, both have learned

how to raise personality disorders to the level of a useful art.

They really should be going up against politically informed psychologists.

Or more practically, democratic pollsters and such should begin to take seminars in the emotional and mental health issues used manipulatively by Republican operatives. They should learn how to function in life with them as one would learn tools to deal with a hopelessly ill and disruptive, non-cooperative family member.

I'm absolutely serious.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

30. Caller who talked about taking Mom to the Dr really 'jumped the shark',

didn't he?

It sounded as though he was adding his own embellishments to the Republican script he was reading--I had to tune away for a few minutes, it was so smarmily insincere.

What I was wondering was, how do all the Republican operatives who call in get paid, or are they volunteers? Does somebody at the RNC have accounts which include voiceprints of the people they've hired to demon-dial until they get through? It seemed like there were only two Democratic callers, and about thirty Republicans, most posing as 'Independents'!

What do all those Republican callers get out of it?

[qanda]

35. All the callers seem very scripted this morning

I'm not hearing many Democratic callers at all. This is the worst I have ever seen it. Even the callers on the Democrats line are either very neutral or just flat out rightwing. Hmmmm.

[Kurovski]

38. Dittoheads have a tendency to sound scripted.

anyone speaking about points not arrived at through their own critical thought process have that unconvincing ring to what they say.

But there will be many professional operatives out to attempt to undo the damage the covered-up Foley scandal has wrought, I would guess.

[butterfly77]

41. The closer it gets to the election ..,

The more they will be calling in pretending to be dems or independents.

[Kurovski]

36. And also there was one of those "I used to be a Democrat " callers

Who attempt to make it somehow damning to Dems that they themselves changed their party affiliation.

In this guy's case I wish they'd be honest. he left the Democratic Party in the 60's because of their stance on welfare, and I have the sense that he was telling the truth.

But I wonder sometimes if the true story isn't "I left the Democratic Party because they no longer supported my racist views of the world." It's pretty much a fact that has poisoned the south to Dems. even LBJ said that we'd lose them for generations when he signed Civil Rights legislation.

I think some Republicans on C-Span get satisfaction out of expressing their contempt for average Americans whom they view as the "other", to answer your question.

[Gabi Hayes]

39. I called in one time and said I used to be a Nazi, but changed over

to the GOP because the Nazis were too tame for me!

[Kurovski]

40. LOL! Hi Gabi!

:hi: You powerful-good trouble maker, you.

[Nimrod2005]

33. WRONG ---- YOU can NEVER EVER trust these fucks, never...nt

[Catherine Vincent]

42. I just finished listening to this.

All the calls to the pollsters were against the democratic pollster except one or two. Republicans were definitely calling on all three lines that morning. All of the comments by Luntz were about how Democrats do this and how Democrats don't do that. He was pathetic.

And the Dem pollster just made a comment that the last time she was on the show there were no Democratic callers. She picked up on that too!