Woodward is the Rosetta Stone.

[gumby]

He's the key that unlocked the door.

Woodward signaled that the Ruling Class is throwing Baby Bush under the bus. Hence, the Foley "scandal."

We now know that the Repubs knew about Foley a long time ago. The Repubs live in sin-city, so a little man-on-boy innuendo could be easily covered up. Clearly the "media" has been complicit in this and EVERYTHING that shills for Repubs and attacks the Democrats.

Now, Woodward has signaled the media that the Ruling Class has changed their minds.

You think this time-line is a coinkydink? Only Military Intelligence knows fer sure.

[Jackpine Radical]

1. To quote my wife when I read her your post--

"Makes sense to me."

[gumby]

10. Good to know

that I make sense to someone. Thanks.

[Eric J in MN]

2. If Republicans still control the House and Senate after the next election,

...what will you conclude?

That the Ruling Class still supports Bush after all, or that the Ruling Class wasn't powerful enough to put a check on him?

[gumby]

7. The Ruling Class is not a monolith.

Plus, the Ruling Class has recruited the Reconstructionist Religious Right as their 'base.' The Ruling Class don't give a shit about those people; just as they don't give a shit about us.

There are many strange powers at play here. However, I stand by my statement that Woodward has issued an important message to the "media" and the Ruling Class.

Only time will tell, but I think there is clearly a jumped-the-shark moment involved here.

[mod mom]

3. Isn't Woodward former Naval Intel? Guess they see * as a losing

proposition-in for a rocky road ahead-cuz he just don't like to lose.

[gordianot]

4. There is a noticable change of tone from Woody..

Just a couple years ago he was sniffing Bush and getting a brown nose.

[Generic Brad]

5. The ruling class damned well better give up on him

This rubber stamp Congress and Senate just gave Bush totalitarian powers. That means he now has the power to go after the ruling class if he deems them enemy combatants. If they are eliminated then Bush/Cheney win all the marbles. That is not going to happen.

I agree with you. The ruling class has decided the line has been crossed and they are going to swat down those who have gotten too full of themselves.

And in case Agent Mike is prowling -- I have no inside information to support me theory. It is pure speculation on the part of this humble plebeian.

[UTUSN]

6. I trust WOODWARD as much as I trust ShrubCo.

Why would Shrub and CHEENEE (or anybody) even TALK to him?

[gumby]

8. Because he has been a reliable resource?

Gee, the WaPo certainly cheer-led the Iraq war and has been in the Bush camp until now.

[Art_from_Ark]

26. bu$h had no trouble talking to him when bu$h was being interviewed

by Woodward for the book, "bu$h at War".

Of course, at that time, Woodward was going through his "Chris Matthews phase".

By the way, here's an excerpt from "bu$h at War"

"'We will export death and violence to the four corners of the earth in defense of our great nation." -- G.W.bu$h

[Malikshah]

9. Gilbert and Sullivan put it best with regard to "reformed" villains

Part from Song cut from the Second Act of Ruddigore...



Well, the man who has spent the first half of his tether,
On all the bad deeds you can bracket together,
Then goes and repents - in his cap it's a feather -
Society pets him as much as it can.
It's a comfort to think, if I now go a cropper,
I sha'n't, on the whole, have done more that's improper
Than he who was once an abandoned tip-topper,
But now is a highly respectable man!

Woodward may have begun to redeem himself, but it's one step. He's got much for which he must answer.

"Seeing the light" isn't enough at this point for someone who had the influence he had

His fellating of the regime over the last few years was reprehensible.

Folks-- forgiveness is divine, yes. Forgetting-- nope.

Remember and hold folks accountable for their actions.

[gumby]

12. Um, I don't think this is about "redemption" or "forgiveness."

I think this is Business As Usual.

That's my point!

[Malikshah]

13. I agree--but I wasn't responding to your statments but rather the

"Rosetta"-ing of Woodward (i.e. positive nature to his being)

[scarletwoman]

15. Um, "Rosetta stone" is not about "positive nature" - it's a metaphor for

a tool of interpretation.

And Woodward IS a tool.

sw

[Malikshah]

18. Uh...it's also a metaphor for a Key and/or a catalyst for change

A tipping point if you will-- which is already been used when describing his work.

The MSM has already referred to Woodward's work in such a vein--

As if the rest of us needed to wait until we were told by Woodward of the failures.

I agree that some view it as a Key in a different light, but my post was to bring up the point that Woodward must be held accountable for his actions.

[scarletwoman]

21. But that's not how the OP was using it. And I think you're thinking of

"Touch Stone", which fits your definitely far more accurately than "Rosetta Stone".

sw

[Malikshah]

25. Here's the sticking point

He's the key that unlocked the door.


Some will use that in a positive light.

The keystone that unleashes the dam...

[scarletwoman]

11. It's the Iran war plans -- making lots of factions nervous, I bet.

I'm sure the Saudis are not too keen on seeing a Persian shitstorm stirred up in their neighborhood. And there have been lots of hints lately that at least some folks in the U.S. military aren't too thrilled with the idea either.

Wall Street, Big Oil, and the multinational corporations probably aren't too big on setting up a possible confrontation with China over a war that might seriously interrupt China's energy supply.

Only Military Intelligence knows fer sure.

True, dat...

sw

[gumby]

14. Persia?

Where's that? :sarcasm:

[scarletwoman]

16. Heh. But I'd like to know what you think.

If the "ruling class" IS turning on bush -- or at least some factions within it, what do YOU think their motive is?

sw

[gumby]

23. I wish I was smart enough to answer.

I have no idea about anyone's varied motives.

However, once again, I think that piece-o-shit Woodward's "book" and the media's coverage of Repub "scandals" does fit a time-line.

China is ALWAYS in the background. They practically own this country.

Motive? (channeling Rummy) "Who Knows?"

There are MANY possible answers. We live behind a veil.

I don't know squat. I only try to see what's available.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. There was a point at which the powers-that-be decided Nixon had to go

I think.

I suppose the same thing could happen with Bush. He's been acting increasingly psycho. One wonders if he's talking to the portraits in the WH.

[JohnnyLib2]

20. When the time came, Goldwater led the party leaders to the kill

but, God help us, there was no Cheney waiting in line and Gerald Ford came in.

[gumby]

24. That's why Agnew went bye-bye

BEFORE Nixon did!!!!

How did THAT happen?

Answer: The "Media."

[SquireJons]

19. I have to say, that's what I was thinking n/t

[bbgrunt]

22. well, something is happening......with Olbermann on the loose

and Tweety spending a whole week on Macaca, something is beginning to rumble. I just hope it's not another aborted beacon of hope.