If somebody tried to overthrow me, I might call him "The Devil" too

[Wetzelbill]

Especially if I was a democratically elected leader, the first indigenous one in my nation's history, and wanted to use my country's greatest resource to cultivate social programs for some desperately suffering people. Yeah, I'd be pretty pissed at that guy who tried to do that to me. I'd be liable to say anything about him, whether it was over the top, hyperbole or not.

[pitohui]

1. i agree EOM

.

[knowbody0]

2. the audience's response was very telling

most of the world sees him like this, but have genuine fear of the bully with the biggest guns. Chavez is president of the fifth largest oil holes on the planet, he's not paranoid, he's a survivor.

His charm and charisma with the press amaze me, he makes everything personal.

[Wetzelbill]

4. and you know, I'm not sure if it is right, I hate the idea that

another country's leader comes to our house and dresses down the sitting American President, but Chavez has a legitimate problem with Bush. If he wasn't so savvy, he could have gotten killed in that coup. I don't care who you are, if somebody put forth an action like that, which could have ended in your murder, well, you probably have a right to be mad. Calling Bush "The Devil" is not a rational thing to do, in terms of statesmanship and international relations, however, Chavez hates the guy, for a pretty good reason too. You can't expect him not to pop off like that. Bush is lucky Chavez doesn't punch him out in some meeting, because that's what the hell I would do if somebody almost had me killed. It's a sad state of affairs when the U.S. President gets clowned out by two other leaders the way he did. That would never have happened to Bush Sr. or Bill Clinton. No way.

[Robbien]

6. Chavez has been calling Bush the Devil for two or three years now

He says it all the time. Almost like second nature to him. Bush's name is Bush the Devil in all Chavez's public speechs.

I don't believe he could refer to Bush in any other way.

[nicknameless]

14. Pope John Paul II allegedly expressed concern that * was the anti-Christ.

http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen04222003.html

Excerpt:

Bush's self-proclaimed adherence to Christianity (during one of the presidential debates he said Jesus Christ was his favorite "philosopher") and his constant reference to a new international structure bypassing the United Nations system and long-standing international treaties are worrying the top leadership of the Roman Catholic Church. Well-informed sources close to the Vatican report that Pope John Paul II is growing increasingly concerned about Bush's ultimate intentions. The Pope has had experience with Bush's death fetish. Bush ignored the Pope's plea to spare the life of Karla Faye Tucker. To show that he was similarly ignorant of the world's mainstream religions, Bush also rejected an appeal to spare Tucker from the World Council of Churches - an organization that represents over 350 of the world's Protestant and Orthodox Churches. It did not matter that Bush's own Methodist Church and his parents' Episcopal Church are members of the World Council.

Bush's blood lust, his repeated commitment to Christian beliefs, and his constant references to "evil doers," in the eyes of many devout Catholic leaders, bear all the hallmarks of the one warned about in the Book of Revelations - the anti-Christ. People close to the Pope claim that amid these concerns, the Pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament. Before he became Pope, Karol Cardinal Wojtyla said, "We are now standing in the face of the greatest historical confrontation humanity has gone through. I do not think that wide circles of the American society or wide circles of the Christian community realize this fully. We are now facing the final confrontation between the Church and the anti-Church, of the Gospel versus the anti-Gospel." The Pope, who grew up facing the evils of Hitler and Stalin, knows evil when he sees it. Although we can all endlessly argue over the Pope's effectiveness in curtailing abuses within his Church, his accomplishments external to Catholicism are impressive.

According to journalists close to the Vatican, the Pope and his closest advisers are also concerned that the ultimate acts of evil - the September 11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon - were known in advance by senior Bush administration officials. By permitting the attacks to take their course, there is a perception within the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy that a coup d'etat was implemented, one that gave Bush and his leadership near-dictatorial powers to carry out their agenda.

The Pope worked tirelessly to convince leaders of nations on the UN Security Council to oppose Bush's war resolution on Iraq. Vatican sources claim they had not seen the Pope more animated and determined since he fell ill to Parkinson's Disease. In the end, the Pope did convince the leaders of Mexico, Chile, Cameroon, and Guinea to oppose the U.S. resolution. If one were to believe in the Book of Revelations, as the Pope fervently does, he can seek solace in scoring a symbolic victory against the Bush administration. Whether Bush represents a dangerous right-wing ideologue who couples his political fanaticism with a neo-Christian blood cult (as I believe) or he is either the anti-Christ or heralds one, the Pope should know he has fought the good battle and has gained the respect and admiration of many non-Catholics around the world.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

21. Did He Mention The Devil's Disciple And The Devil's Advocate ?

Perhaps The Devil Is In The Details No Sympathy For the devil
:nopity:

[nicknameless]

23. Nice

:thumbsup:

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. Chavez's fight is with George Bush, not with the American people.

Bush is making all kinds of reckless foreign policy decisions and now working with the Republican Congress to make sure he doesn't get held accountable for them. Let's face it, I wouldn't be surprised if he gives the order to assassinate a leading head of state. Would you?

[Wetzelbill]

22. fuck no I wouldn't be surprised

that chickenshit is capable of doing anything. Sure he wouldn't have the sand to knock the fluff off a cup of cappuccino if he had to do it himself, but as long as he can sit back like a coward, sure. :)

[eleny]

3. It's why I like Mike Malloy so much, too

Some people just put the right name to a stink.

[driver8]

5. Exactly. I posted almost the same thing on my veterans' board.

One of the freeper's wrote, "In a presidential election, what party would Chavez support? If your pick matches his, maybe you should change who you vote for."

I told him that if there was a man and a political party that wanted me dead, there is no way in hell I would support them in any way.

I then asked him who Hitler would support? I wrote that if your vote matched Hitler's, maybe you should change who you vote for.

Why are freepers so fucking arrogant?

[Wetzelbill]

8. yeah what is he supposed to do

bow down and let the U.S. rape and pillage his country all in the name of ideology and greed? The guy was a paratrooper, he doesn't back down from anybody, let along a wimp like Bush.

[IChing]

7. Well someone did overthrow my government

by election fraud and voter intimidation a long time ago,
got a lot of New Yorkers killed, started an illegal war,
let thousands die in New Orleans, shall I go on?

Diablo for sure
and not the video game either.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

11. Getting to know Hugo Chavez...

Well, I gotta say ... he certaintly sparked my interest with his UN speech ... so, I set out to get a clearer picture of this man who's been a well-known target of BushCo. I figured ... there must be something likeable about this outspoken man if he's able to inspire such animosity and discomfort in our self-serving, amoral leaders.



I just spent a very interesting and enjoyable hour watching.... "THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED" ....I recommend it HIGHLY if you have the time and some interest. He's quite inspiring and charismatic.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5832390545689805144



I also read, enjoyed and recommend.... Jeff Cohen's, "Go to Venezuela, You Idiot!"

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0706-32.htm

[FoxOnTheRun]

16. It shows you on which side the MSM really is

[lapfog_1]

9. Yes but there are much, much better ways to do it

ones where you let everyone know just what a moron your opponent is, how evil they might be, and
still win people over to your way of thinking.

[Wetzelbill]

10. you are probably right

yeah, I see that.

[alittlelark]

12. He made it jovial.... he did a great job

That's why he got such an astounding ovation for his '15 minutes'. He said what 100 other counties wanted to - but don't have the oil resources to support them.

Chavez spoke for all the 'little people' that make up 98% of this planet.


VIVA CHAVEZ!!!

[rman]

13. I too might point out the US history of overthrowing progressive

leaders all over the world, i too might make a clear distinction between the US government and the US people.

[farmboxer]

15. I remember when the late Pope called Bush the Antichrist

Yet the Republican news media said nothing about it. I do not see why there should be that much outrage because Chavez called Bush a Devil. Bush is for torture, he cuts funds for things like meals on wheels, Vet's benefits, etc. What about Halliburton giving our troops poison water? I don't need to list every evil thing Bush stands for, everyone knows. Democrats need to speak out instead of hiding and being so wishy-washy, Bush will do all he can to destroy them no matter what.

[wagthedogwar]

18. from the 'Devil made me do it' department

Paris video of the Song

--very timely--
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0fWY-0tkTM

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

19. Unlike Chavez, Chimpy was not democratically elected...

...in '00 or '04 and BushCo most certainly has tried, and will again, to topple Chavez by covert, illegal means. Chavez shows no fear and BushCo really hates that in a leader of a Latin American nation whose resources they'd like to plunder.

[Nobody]

20. Truth is the best defense against namecalling

Dear George,

So someone called you a devil. Might wanna start some slander proceedings. But you're going to have to be ready to prove that this is not true. Hugo Chavez will try to prove that what he said about you is true. Fortunately for him and unfortunately for you, he can.

* Even Alcoholics Anonymous says that you're an alcoholic even if you don't drink now. If ever you were dependant on booze, you are an alcoholic your whole life long.

* Devil = Evil.

* Is torture evil? I and many others think it is. Does he condone this sort of evil? Yes. Does he try to lie and say it isn't torture? Yes. Will he try to change laws so he can allow it to happen? Yes.

* Putting money in your own pocket while taking out of those who have risked their lives for you is evil. He is responsible for signing legislation to reduce veterans benefits soon after starting the war in Iraq. Meanwhile, Halliburton was handed no-bid contracts that allowed for them to harm soldiers (poisoned water anyone?)

* His regime is also responsible for not ensuring that soldiers were adequately armored. When they began scrounging, they were forbidden to scrounge.

* He has been milking a national tragedy for political gain.

* Lies lies lies lies lies. I'm not talking about the kind of lies about whether something looks ugly on you, I'm talking about lies that ruin reputations, destroy US credibility, and harm people's futures. Not to mention causing the death of thousands. The biggest lie of all is why we went to war in Iraq.

Shall I go on?

Hugo Chavez called George Bush a devil because he is able to back that up with verifiable facts.