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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 07:42 PM
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Why do people tell stories about what Democrats say?
In this thread, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=208456
Carville is accused of saying Reid committed a crime by criticiing Democrats. The transcript clearly shows that to be totally false.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10909406/page/4/

MR. CARVILLE: I’d like to think that’s refreshing. And you know, it’s not the crime—we all make mistakes—the crime is, when you made a mistake, not to acknowledge one. And I think that Senator Reid that—and my hat’s off to him. And so many times this happens and people shout a whole lot the next day. He did that. It doesn’t take away from the central point: this Congress and this administration has a record, and what Abramoff has done is something that goes right to the heart of it.

And it is true, the Democrats need to be more reform-oriented. We argue that extensively in the book. As Paul pointed out, there’s some evidence that they are. The fact is, Senator Reid said, “A document that came out of my office went too far,” doesn’t detract at all from the real problems that are being faced in this Congress, the real corruption that really exists, the number of indictments that have come down already, the number of indictments that are getting ready to come down. The numerous and extensive contacts between Abramoff and the White House—all of this is going to come out. And I’ve got to commend Senator Reid, and I wish more politicians would do that. Again, we all make mistakes, he went out and acknowledged it the next day; my hat’s off to him. I thought it was a refreshing move he made.

What part of not do we have difficulty with. He clearly and without any ambiguity stated that the crime would have been not acknowledging that the tone of the document. I happen to think that Reid hadn't made a mistake by singling out the Senators, but regardless of that, Carville didn't call what Reid did a crime. We should stop telling stories about our spokesmen.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 07:56 PM
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1. "It's not the CRIME..."!
"it’s not the crime—we all make mistakes"

What the blankety blank do you think he's referring to when he says it's not the crime??? Clearly, in Carville's deluded mind at least, Reid's crime was outing the Repukes who colluded with Abramnof.

:eyes:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 08:01 PM
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3. For people who can read
the crime would have been not correcting the mistake of attacking specific Republicans. I think it is about as clear as it gets.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 08:09 PM
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5. So WHY is it a crime to NOT correct the "mistake" of calling out Pukes,
which was not really a mistake, but not a crime when one calls them out? If the second is a crime, logic would deduce that the first, calling them out to begin with, was also a crime. Carville is Mary's poodle, and they're both full of shit.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 08:19 PM
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6. For the same reason
it isn't a crime to shortchange a person at the market but it is a crime to shortchange a person at the market and then invest the proceeds in your retirement account after you were told you shortchanged the people.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 08:21 PM
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7. What?
That is a ludicrous analogy. He said "it's not the CRIME - we all make mistakes". Many a defense attorney has stated exactly the same phrase. It cannot be clearer. GIVE ME A BREAK.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 08:39 PM
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8. making a mistake isn't a crime
that was his point.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 08:44 PM
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9. NO. He clearly equated crime with mistake.
This is a stupid argument. Tell Carville we're not buying his crap.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 08:46 PM
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10. Were done
Clearly one of us, and I think it is you, just plain can't read. I don't know how much clearer he could have been. It isn't his fault that you can't or won't read the words he clearly said.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 08:49 PM
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12. Yeah? Well I suggest a trip to your optometrist asap.
So long.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 07:59 PM
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2. gosh, he sure says a lot there
why didn't he just say, "Reid did the right thing."
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 08:08 PM
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4. Who elected Carville "spokesman" for anybody other than himself?
He, and his DLC part-time Democrats, certainly don't speak for a lot of Democrats.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-22-06 08:48 PM
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11. I hereby fire James Carville...
There, he doesn't work for us anymore. (Wish I could.)
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