I found the most disgusting pro-life website EVER

[jmowreader]

Move all hard objects away from your computer and click on...

http://www.klanparenthood.com

[deadmessengers]

1. pro-life = anti-freedom

Pro-life my ass. How many of those people support the war in Iraq or capital punishment? If it's less than 90% of the people who call themselves "pro life" I'll eat my underwear. :grr:

[dsc]

5. You better start eating

I have never seen a survey in which less than one fourth of pro lifers are also against the death penalty. Given that Catholism is firmly against both abortion and the death penalty that shouldn't be a surprise. To name just a few of the successful politicians who are consistant on this point, Dennis K (before he changed on abortion), David Bonior, and the elder Casey. In addition McClaughin of the McClaughin group is also consistant in that regard as was Cardinal Bernadin.

[deadmessengers]

14. And the war on Iraq? n/t

[dsc]

25. Here is some stuff to back me up

http://pewforum.org/docs/index.php?DocID=91

Leads to a poll given by Pew.

There is a great table there that I can't copy.






Varying Opinions on Life Issues
The general public takes varying, and at times contradictory, attitudes toward the issues that constitute the so-called "culture of life." This also is the case for members of major religious traditions.

White evangelical Protestants overwhelmingly adopt a pro-life stance on abortion: 68% believe abortion should not be permitted at all, or should be allowed only in cases of rape, incest or to save the woman's life. A smaller majority of white evangelicals (58%) oppose making it legal for doctors to give terminally ill patients the means to end their lives.

In the case of stem cell research, half of white evangelicals say it is more important to avoid destroying the potential life of human embryos than to conduct stem cell research that may lead to new medical cures. At the same time, white evangelicals strongly support the death penalty for those convicted of murder; just 15% oppose the death penalty.

White Catholics also have inconsistent attitudes on life issues. Roughly four-in-ten take a pro-life stance on abortion (43%) and in opposing physicians being permitted to help dying patients to end their lives (42%). Just three-in-ten white Catholics (29%) say it is more important to avoid destroying the potential life of human embryos in stem cell research than to conduct research that may result in new medical cures. And about the same number (27%) oppose the death penalty.

For their part, seculars overwhelmingly dissent from pro-life positions on abortion, stem cell research and end-of-life questions. More seculars than white evangelicals or mainline Protestants oppose the death penalty for convicted murderers; still, only about three-in-ten (29%) express this view.

Some important notes that are made clearer in the table I can't copy. White Catholics are more likely to oppose the DP than the people as a whole and only very slightly (within MOE) less likely than seculars to oppose the DP. Evangelicals are actually more likely (though again within MOE) to oppose the DP than mainline protestants.

Incidently the list I gave you works for the war on Iraq with two deletions. Bernardin was dead by the time of the Iraq war and McClaughin supported the war. Though you can add both Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict to the list who are consistant.

[BlueEyedSon]

18. del del del

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26. See a later post for link

[rurallib]

2. How do you find out who put this up?

I'm not a tech geek, but am really curious who's behind this one.

[Cerridwen]

7. Here ya go - with a link to some info about the owner

Registrant:
Mark Crutcher

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: KLANPARENTHOOD.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.THEPLANET.COM
NS2.THEPLANET.COM

More about crutcher here (with picture):

http://www.prolifepac.com/html/who6mcrutcher.htm

edit to add another link to info about owner:

http://www.nuvo.net/archive/2005/03/30/mark_crutchers_obsession.html

This is one sick, twisted, (&^%$F#.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. I notice he has only ONE kid and has been married 25 years

Anyone else wonder how this guy avoided having 12 kids?

[BlueEyedSon]

16. Look at him, the only time he ever got busy was on wedding night

[Cerridwen]

20. LOL - 2 great minds....n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. That is baaad

:rofl:

[Cerridwen]

17. Did you look at him? I think his wife "avoided having kids"

:evilgrin:

Yeah, I know, juvenile of me to comment on his looks.

[proud2BlibKansan]

22. But funny and judging by his appearance,

most appropriate.

[BlueEyedSon]

23. What would he do if someone raped his underage daughter

if it was someone (racially, politically :)) repulsive to him?
if the pregnancy might be life threatening?

[rurallib]

28. Thank y'all

Notice his wife is named for her place of conception (Tulane or two-lane). Sorry, just had to.

[jeanarrett]

30. Looks like a cross between Rush and Rove--maybe their

ugly fucking lost brother.

[jmowreader]

32. How come fundies can't take a decent portrait?

This is a side commentary to the real issue, but why is it that when fundamentalists have official portraits taken for things like this, all of the pictures are out of focus, lit wrong and exposed wrong, and all the fundies look like they just got done changing their oil? "Yes, John, I know you've got half a pound of oily road dirt on your face, but don't worry, just put on your cheapest suit and you'll look great!"

[LittleClarkie]

37. Here's more on him

http://www.ldi.org/Pro-life_Group/Prolife_Activist/

[hyphenate]

9. Go over to

http://www.whois.net and enter in the domain name. It should come up with the information on the owner and who hosts it.

[BlueEyedSon]

10. Go here and complete the form

http://who.godaddy.com/whoischeck.aspx?domain=KLANPARENTHOOD.com

I did it, but I'm not comforable with the privacy implications of posting the info here.

[rman]

11. here's how

the standard tool for this is "whois", in the form of for instance www.whois.net (there are alternatives, see google).

enter the domain name in the search field, without the www part.

it comes up with some info and refers to the registration intermediary for further info. go to that website and enter the domain name again. it comes up with some more info.

[bluerum]

19. FYI - just go to any domain name registrars site and do a "whois"

search on the domain name.

[BlueEyedSon]

24. I bet he feels like he doesn't have enough control over his woman

and he needs to exert some control over many, many others....

[iamjoy]

3. Inflammatory Rhetoric

If we wanted to play that game, we could point to the millions of slave women forced to bear children they didn't want.

We could talk about the brutal regime in Romania where abortion was outlawed and a doctor who helped (or tried to help) a woman who had fallen prey to a back alley butcher could himself be brought up on charges.

It was legal to value women solely for their reproductive abilities and to place the well being of a fetus over the life of a woman.

[ComerPerro]

4. These people are arrogant enough when they call themselves pro-life

its even worse when they try to pretend that we are racists.

Actual quote from a conservative, pro-life person I know: "Hey, Condi Rice is too smart to be black anyway"

[BlueEyedSon]

15. Too smart to be hetero, too, it seems. Heh.

[hyphenate]

6. It's disgusting

but more important is the analogy of abortion to the Holocaust. It's such blatant shit that it's difficult to get through it without laughing. It wasn't enough to rile me, though, because it is all hyperbole.

[KingFlorez]

8. Sickos

They'll say anything to further their totalitarian cause. It's real funny they use this, since most radical pro-lifers are probably racist too.

[Bike Punk]

12. just the entry page

makes me not want to see whats inside. The very fact that they 'align' themselves with the Klan says everything i need to know about them.

[jmowreader]

31. They aren't aligning themselves with the Klan

This is worse.

The thesis of klanparenthood.com (he's also registered klannedparenthood.com) is that abortion has killed more blacks than the KKK ever dreamed of. The site is completely anti-Planned Parenthood and is NOT pro-Klan. He's even got a page up with all these eugenics comments that sound exactly like quotes out of Mein Kampf, but under each one is an attribution "Margaret Sanger, Founder, Planned Parenthood." (It looks like this--quotes are pulled out of my ass and you'll understand why in a second, but you'll get the picture...

Star-bellied sneetches are an inferior race, we must do everything in our power to eliminate them.
--Margaret Sanger, Founder, Planned Parenthood

The star-bellied sneetch is infecting our homes and hearths with anti-American liberalism.
--Margaret Sanger, Founder, Planned Parenthood

The only way to save America is to purify the sneetch race, and this we will do by convincing the star-bellied sneetch to abort copiously.
--Margaret Sanger, Founder, Planned Parenthood

I don't think this guy would know an actual Klansman if one walked up and kicked him in the ass, which he desperately needs. Yes, by an actual Klansman. Personally, if I lived between the owner of this website and the Grand Dragon of the KKK and was forced to go hang out with one of them, I'd go over to the KKK guy's house. There'd be no other choice. If you could somehow avoid talking about minorities, liberals and immigrants and just concentrate on sports and barbecue, he'd be much more fun than that other guy. That other guy wouldn't shut the fuck up about how gay atheists are making all the black Christian women pregnant so they have to get abortions. (Yeah, I'd say that too.)

[Totally Committed]

27. ANTI-CHOICE, not PRO-LIFE, please....

It is a VERY important frame.

Thanks,

TC

[bettyellen]

29. they are not pro-life and you know it! they are ANTI-CHOICE!!!

[jmowreader]

35. Well, no shit

I also know that some of our new members can recognize the term "pro-life" and identify with the people who call themselves that, but might not recognize the more correct terms "pro-fetus" and "anti-choice." So I'm just tryin' to help them out, 'kay?

We need to drop the "anti-choice" meme because that might suggest that those people, in addition to being against abortion, are also against letting the born starve, freeze, get beaten to death or die of the lack of medical care. You know, they might actually be pro-LIFE. Pro-fetus is the most correct term to describe those people--as long as you're a fetus you're precious and you Must Be Saved, but once your feet hit air you're on your own.

[bettyellen]

36. how would anit-choice suggest any of those things?

since when does reproductive choice= universal health care or prenatal care or welfare/ foodstamp funding?
they are THREE separate issues completely.


and fetus is WAY off base, they don't want the morning after pill, or any abortions performed BEFORE it's a fetus either. you don't actually conceive and instantly have a fetus in your uterus, you know.

Perhaps other DUers would learn not to use RW terminology if you didn't use it so blithely, and without comment.
they are anti-choice and anti-privacy. they want the govt in your bedroom.

pro-fetus doesn't begin to cover it, plus it just sounds soooo stupid.

[jmowreader]

39. I think they're all tied together

I've developed a profile of a typical "pro-life" person. They are:

* in favor of the government banning abortion, although the totality of their proposed ban varies. Some will allow it in cases where the mother's life or health are in danger, severe fetal abnormality, rape or incest. Others say mother's life only, and the most extreme PL viewpoint wants it banned with no exceptions even for the mother's life. If you are having an ectopic pregnancy (100-percent fatal to the mother if the pregnancy is not terminated) they call it God's will. Anyway, they want the government to ban abortion. They also want anything that can prevent a pregnancy from occurring to be banned. Sex is only for making more little fundies, don't you know? The woman is not allowed to enjoy sex in that community. The woman is to see sex as a Duty, a distasteful obligation that must be performed to fulfill the Bible's admonition to be fruitful and multiply. And believe you me, they're trying to get men to see it the same way.

* against any government-provided social service, to include any kind of public healthcare, AFDC, WIC, or anything else that gives government monies to the needy. Such services should only be provided by churches, who are free to deny them to anyone who doesn't attend the providing church.

* many are against public education--they believe in parochial schooling and homeschooling.

But let me tell you why I like using the RW's own terms against them. Let's say we all chose "anti-choice" as our descriptor for them. We can work all day long to try to convince the general populace that RW people are "anti-choice, anti-woman, anti-baby, anti-American." We can do this fairly easily because it's true. Then some RW comes along and says "we're not any of those things, we're Pro-Life." All of a sudden the jackbooted thugs kicking in healthcare facility doors because They Don't Charge Patients Enough For Their Services disappears and is replaced by soft fuzzy images of precious babies wrapped in pink sleepers--babies who were saved from the jaws of abortionists' forceps only by the grace of God and the love of a sidewalk counselor. If we use the RW term, it's different. If the general population comes to know "pro-life" as mothers being buried because their pregnancies killed them (ectopic pregnancy accounts for two percent of all pregnancies) or low-income Catholic children developing rickets because the only place their mothers can get vitamin D drops is at the Baptist clinic--who won't treat Catholics because they "worship idols"--the RW can't turn shit around on us.

[NMMNG]

33. WTF is this BS?

About 13 percent of American women are black, but they
submit to over 35 percent of the abortions.


Submit? Is he suggesting that someone is twisting their arms to have abortions? :eyes:


I am sure though that he'd be all to happy to make them SUBMIT to having the children against their will, should abortion be outlawed by him and his rabid anti-choice pals. :mad:

[PatriotGames]

34. And people call animal rights activists sickos.

[Clarkie1]

38. Please do not use the words "Pro-life"

Whenever a Democrat does so, they reinforce the lie.

Call them anti-choice or anti-freedom. Don't ever play into their hands by calling them "Pro-*"