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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:44 PM
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Implanted Chips in Our Troops?
A Florida company wants to get under the skin of 1.4 million U.S. servicemen and women. VeriChip Corp, based in Delray Beach, Fla., and described by the D.C. Examiner as "one of the most aggressive marketers of radio frequency identification chips," is hoping to convince the Pentagon to allow them to insert the chips, known as RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) chips under the skin of the right arms of U.S. servicemen and servicewomen to enable them to scan an arm and obtain that person’s identity and medical history. The chips would replace the legendary metal dog tags that have been worn by U.S. military personnel since 1906.

The company, which the Examiner notes has powerful political connections, is "in discussions” with the Pentagon, VeriChip spokeswoman Nicole Philbin told the Examiner. "The potential for this technology doesn’t just stop at the civilian level,” Philbin said. Company officials have touted the chips as versatile, able to be used in a variety of situations such as helping track illegal immigrants or giving doctors immediate access to patient’s medical records.

And Liz McIntyre, co-author with Katherine Albrecht of "Spychips: How Major Corporations and Government Plan to Track your Every Move with RFID," said that VeriChip is "a huge threat” to public privacy.

"They’re circling like vultures for any opportunity to get into our flesh,” McIntyre told the Examiner. "They’ll start with people who can’t say no, like the elderly, sex offenders, immigrants and the military. Then they’ll come knocking on our doors.”


I relize this is from NewsMax, but I hadn't seen it anywhere elase. I got it in an email so I don't have a link. They seem to reference the Examiner, so I'll check to see if I can find a link to the whole acticle.

This is very frightening to me! I know technonlgy has it's benefits, butthis, hmmm.....

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:46 PM
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1. Woof, woof, meow, meow
In uniform? You're not more than an animal, nowadays, it would seem.

Hell, they can get the veterinarians to do this job, they've plenty of experience at it already.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:49 PM
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5. Yes they have, but here's two moreparagraphs from the article:
"They’re circling like vultures for any opportunity to get into our flesh,” McIntyre told the Examiner. "They’ll start with people who can’t say no, like the elderly, sex offenders, immigrants and the military. Then they’ll come knocking on our doors.”

In an e-mail to the Examiner, Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., wrote: "If that is what the Defense Department has in mind for our troops in Iraq, there are many questions that need answers. "What checks and balances, safeguards and congressional oversight would there be?” Leahy asked. "What less-invasive alternatives are there? What information would be entered on the chips, and could it endanger our soldiers or be intercepted by the enemy?”

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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:48 PM
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2. I thought your post said - Implanted CHIMPS in our Troops!!
I thought Bush** was going to war...harharharharhar!!
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:55 PM
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8. Well actually, by association it would be like having the chimp implanted
More absolute power and "control over every living soul,"
as Leonard Cohen sang.

Sure would make going awol a bit more difficult,
to say the least.
Damn, I would hate to be in the military
these days.
Pharma companies using soldiers as lab rats,
and now this bit of chicanery.
Those poor people; poisoned by DU weapons and all,
and then thrown away by the corporate powers
that be once they are done with them.

BHN
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:00 PM
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12. NO, not yet, anyway
You have to run a scanner over the area where the chip is inserted to read the data. They cannot track you from on high.

YET, anyway. All things in time, perhaps....!
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:05 PM
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15. If you were awol, and you scanned on a random traffic violation-
They would nab you.
And yes, I would bet eventually they would
love to track us from satellites.

Ever see that movie where people were implanted
with something like that and the jackboots
could zap them from afar?

I have no idea what it was called, but
I'm sure the people who would like that
kind of control over the serfs were watching and inspired...

BHN
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:33 PM
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31. They'd first need the RFID reader, but why bother in your
scenario...if you are AWOL and get bagged on a traffic violation, they will nab you NOW. Didn't you know that?

The cops get the name of every kid who is AWOL over 30 days (that's the point of no return; the deserter mark). Those names go into the database that the coppers can access from their car computers...that long walk back to the cruiser, with your license...they're looking you up to see if you have any warrants. Anyone AWOL/+30 would pop and be asked to step out of the car, turn around, and off they'd go to the pokey to be picked up by the 'military return specialists' who run around escorting these kids back to their commands or HQ installations to face charges.

RFID chips are in use now, in pets, in shipments of jeans and grapefruit, passports, you name it. The Chinese use them to prevent their people from wandering off and asking for asylum, though they haven't yet (that we know) implanted them. They're embedding the things in clothing, tires, all sorts of goods.

It's too late--that ship has sailed. A good article that goes indepth on this matter, here: http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/169


RFID 101

Invented in 1969 and patented in 1973, but only now becoming commercially and technologically viable, RFID tags are essentially microchips, the tinier the better. Some are only 1/3 of a millimeter across. These chips act as transponders (transmitters/responders), always listening for a radio signal sent by transceivers, or RFID readers. When a transponder receives a certain radio query, it responds by transmitting its unique ID code, perhaps a 128-bit number, back to the transceiver. Most RFID tags don't have batteries (How could they? They're 1/3 of a millimeter!). Instead, they are powered by the radio signal that wakes them up and requests an answer.

Most of these "broadcasts" are designed to be read between a few inches and several feet away, depending on the size of the antenna and the power driving the RFID tags (some are in fact powered by batteries, but due to the increased size and cost, they are not as common as the passive, non-battery-powered models). However, it is possible to increase that distance if you build a more sensitive RFID receiver.

RFID chips cost up to 50 cents, but prices are dropping. Once they get to 5 cents each, it will be cost-efficient to put RFID tags in almost anything that costs more than a dollar.

Who's using RFID?

RFID is already in use all around us. Ever chipped your pet dog or cat with an ID tag? Or used an EZPass through a toll booth? Or paid for gas using ExxonMobils' SpeedPass? Then you've used RFID.

Some uses, especially those related to security, seem like a great idea. For instance, Delta is testing RFID on some flights, tagging 40,000 customer bags in order to reduce baggage loss and make it easier to route bags if customers change their flight plans.

Three seaport operators - who account for 70% of the world's port operations - agreed to deploy RFID tags to track the 17,000 containers that arrive each day at US ports. Currently, less than 2% are inspected. RFID tags will be used to track the containers and the employees handling them.

The United States Department of Defense is moving into RFID in order to trace military supply shipments. During the first Gulf War, the DOD made mistakes in its supply allocation. To streamline operations, the U.S. military has placed RFID tags on 270,000 cargo containers and tracks those shipments throughout 40 countries.

On a smaller level, but one that will instantly resonate with security pros, Star City Casino in Sydney, Australia placed RFID tags in 80,000 employee uniforms in order to put a stop to theft. The same idea would work well in corporate PCs, networking equipment, and handhelds.

In all of these cases, RFID use seems reasonable. It is non-intrusive, and it seems to balance security and privacy. Other uses for RFID, however, may be troublesome.

Visa is combining smart cards and RFID chips so people can conduct transactions without having to use cash or coins. These smart cards can also be incorporated into cell phones and other devices. Thus, you could pay for parking, buy a newspaper, or grab a soda from a vending machine without opening your wallet. This is wonderfully convenient, but the specter of targeted personal ads popping up as I walk through the mall, a la Minority Report, does not thrill me.

Michelin, which manufactures 800,000 tires a day, is going to insert RFID tags into its tires. The tag will store a unique number for each tire, a number that will be associated with the car's VIN (Vehicle Identification Number). Good for Michelin, and car manufacturers, and fighting crime. Potentially bad for you. Who will assure your privacy? Do you really want your car's tires broadcasting your every move?....Consider the human body as well. Applied Digital Solutions has designed an RFID tag - called the VeriChip - for people. Only 11 mm long, it is designed to go under the skin, where it can be read from four feet away. They sell it as a great way to keep track of children, Alzheimer's patients in danger of wandering, and anyone else with a medical disability, but it gives me the creeps. The possibilities are scary. In May, delegates to the Chinese Communist Party Congress were required to wear an RFID-equipped badge at all times so their movements could be tracked and recorded. Is there any doubt that, in a few years, those badges will be replaced by VeriChip-like devices?



Read the whole thing, and weep.
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:18 PM
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25. Yup, that's how
the god damn conservatives "support the troops" - I'm impressed...
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:49 PM
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3. The really bad news is...
People in the military would not have the
option of refusing a chip if the decision to use them
gets a green light.
Scary shit- for certain.
BHN
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:00 PM
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11. Fascism has arrived!
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:49 PM
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4. The really bad news is...
People in the military would not have the
option of refusing a chip if the decision to use them
gets a green light.
Scary shit- for certain.
BHN
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:54 PM
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6. Then we can start wearing the tranquilizer bracelets
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 01:58 PM by Mabus
This is the abstract from a patent issued in Oct. 2004.

Lockable tranquilizer bracelet

Abstract

A tranquilizer bracelet which can be locked onto A wearer's wrist. The bracelet contains A power source, an electronic control module, and means for injecting A tranquilizing agent into the wearer. Instructions can be sent to the control module remotely, such as by using radio transmissions. The bracelet is provided with A lock to secure it to the wrist. It can only be opened using A mechanical key or electronic code. Thus, once the bracelet is installed, it cannot be removed by the wearer. In the event that tranquilization is necessary, A remote signal is sent to the control module. The signal activates A mechanism within the bracelet which causes the injection of the tranquilizing agent. Anti-tampering mechanisms are also provided, which will produce an alert signal if the bracelet is somehow removed by the wearer. http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,800,070.PN.&OS=PN/6,800,070&RS=PN/6,800,070


on edit: The patent number is 6,800,070
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:01 PM
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13. No WAY!
These corporate fascists are SO out of control.
All the little crowd control devices they are
coming up with tells me they are scared to death of us.
Scared of what we will do when the whole truth is revealed.
BHN
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:13 PM
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20. There are so many things we don't know about
Like dynamite these types of things do have practical usage, for example, the moving of dangerous prisoners from one facility to another. But, as with other things, it depends on how people and the government utilize these things. You'll recall that the reason Dr. Alfred Nobel created the Nobel Prizes was because his invention was used to kill people, not help them, as he originally intended. Personally, I wouldn't trust the current government with this bracelet. I have no doubt that this invention could easily be misused in the wrong hands.

Hell, imagine if Green and his fellow rapists had access to this type of bracelet before they went to visit Abeer and her family.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:19 PM
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26. And what of Abeer...down the memory hole?
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 02:21 PM by BeHereNow
God, that whole scene makes me crazy.
We have not heard jack shit about the case since
it broke.

And I'm with you, I don't trust the BFEE with any of the
technology available to them.They would be perfectly happy if
we would all just die.

As a matter of fact, I think that is their plan for us.
BHN
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:21 PM
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28. She got replaced by JonBenet
Sad isn't it? Just plain sad.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:33 PM
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30. Oh, that's right- Abeer was BROWN. Benet, Blonde...
We are the sickest fucking culture on the planet.
BHN
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:54 PM
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7. 666
:shrug: I'm just sayin
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:59 PM
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10. Well you're saying what some of us are thinking...
That's for certain.
I sincerely hope that people are
going to stand up against this shit and SOON.
It's like watching sheep ambling along to the slaughter.
BHN
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 01:58 PM
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9. I thought they were already doing this
I had read an article several years ago indicating that the military wanted to be able to identify body parts of military personnel on the battlefield so that families would know for sure if their loved one was dead. They were doing this with chips like the ones in the article.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:02 PM
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14. No, this is not done currently (nt)
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:07 PM
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16. I thought that was the excuse for taking DNA samples of everyone
No more 'unknown soldiers'
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:07 PM
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17. I do't know. I hadn't heard of it before, except in animals.
I know the vets have been injecting micro chips in dogs & cats for years, but no people that I know of. If you notice, Sen. Laheyis questioning it too, which means if they're already doing this,at leat some Cenators don't know about it.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:07 PM
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18. A smart enemy will learn to target these little devices in order to
find out where troops are massing
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OldSiouxWarrior Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:16 PM
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23. RFIDs aren't that powerful.
Your scanner has to be real within a few feet of them, like almost close enought to touch.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:10 PM
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19. Better than having implanted troops in my chips!
:shrug:
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:14 PM
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Shhh... don't give them any ideas!
Good pun P#6!
BHN
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OldSiouxWarrior Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:14 PM
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21. This could turn the conservative Christians against the military.
Right now, conservative Christians make up a large number of the people enlisting in the military. The military academies, over the past few years, have become strongly evangelical.

As Lerkfish noted, this sounds rather close to the description of being required to take the number of the beast - 666. It will scare the daylights out of lots of Christians and they won't take it. And lots of them won't enlist because of it. It could cause the service to be seen as Satanic.

This could really hurt recruiting efforts.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:27 PM
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29. Welcome to DU OSW
Trouble is, the RW X-tians have no idea what the
bible actually says...a witnessed by their actions.
Actually you are correct, lots of the gun toting bible thumping
troops wont go for this idea at all.
Of course they have no problem killing brown people,
but heaven forbid they take the mark of the beast.

The hypocrisy is mind exploding, no?

A complete lack of logic-
Kill brown people, that's okay.
Get chipped, nah, jeebus wouldn't like THAT.

Shaking head in utter disbelief,
BHN
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:14 PM
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22. Hmmm -
wonder why the idiot Rethug Fundies aren't howling about this - sounds like "the Mark of the Beast" to me. But I suppose anything is ok with these hypocrites so long as there are $$$$$ to be made.
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OldSiouxWarrior Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:17 PM
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24. They probably don't know about it - yet. This could change much. NT
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:56 PM
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34. We can only hope -
but I think you may be right, always assuming that the Fundies get their collective heads outta their asses and wake up to what's going on. If the 'pukes lose the Fundie vote, they'll be screwed for the next 100 years....
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:19 PM
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27. Timothy McVeigh Kept Saying The G-Ment Had A Chip Planted In His Ass n/t
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:46 PM
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32. One way to thwart this -
Edited on Tue Aug-22-06 02:47 PM by libhill
would be to spread an "urban legend" or rumor, that the liberals / Democrats are pushing for this so we can come take their guns - then watch the ass hats come out and riot in the streets. If they realize that it's actually a conservative or Repuke-corporate idea, they'll dutifully march to their doom like the stupid fucking sheep that they are. :)
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libhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-22-06 02:53 PM
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33. What better way -
to keep track of the C.I.A.s latest Manchurian Candidate fall guy?
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