We've lost Conneticutt... The Republicans will re-elect Joe Lieberman.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

And that really sucks.

I hope I am wrong.

[ShortnFiery]

1. Flame Bait ! eom

[liberaldemocrat7]

70. Look up Liberman's campaign contributors

and then call some of the companies that make consumer products and threaten a boycott unless Joe drops out.

Ok, I found some of the largest contributors. I suggest people call some of these companies en masse and tell the CEO, unless Joe drops out, you will not buy their products again.

Aetna Insurance looks like a good candidate.




1 Lehman Brothers $144,250
2 United Technologies $128,650
3 Purdue Pharma $84,000
4 Hartford Financial Services $72,100
5 Irell & Manella $69,200
6 Aetna Inc $65,750
7 Citigroup Inc $61,350
8 Sempra Energy $60,050
9 UBS AG $54,350
10 Guardsmark Inc $51,200
11 Wise Metals Group $49,000
12 Plastech Engineered Products $46,000
13 National Westminster Bank $44,500
14 St Paul Travelers Companies $38,319
15 Kleiner, Perkins et al $37,600
16 Goldman Sachs $36,500
17 Schiffrin & Barroway $35,550
18 Schulte, Roth & Zabel $34,250
19 Merrill Lynch $33,650
20 Richman Group $33,400

Percent of Contributions Coded:

[DoYouEverWonder]

2. The majority of CT is Dem

Ain't gonna happen.

[AtomicKitten]

34. actually the majority of CT is independent (eom)

and I think it's rather premature to stick a fork in it

[DoYouEverWonder]

40. I stand corrected

However, I don't think the Repugs are going to get that many of the non-affiliated votes. The only support they have left are the hard core Bushbots and Lamont is turning out to be a formidable candidate.

[AtomicKitten]

46. he certainly is

:)

[phylny]

37. The Governor of Connecticut, M. Jodi Rell, is a Republican. n/t

[Ian_rd]

74. Have you seen the polls? It WILL happen unless something drastic changes.

[DoYouEverWonder]

76. Who did the poll?

Karl Rove? Don't believe the M$M bs.

[Double T]

3. I think you are right.........

unfortunately.....

[AlCzervik]

4. because if Joe loses it's all about Bush even though CT voters have

many other issues with Lieberman that never seem to make it on to the msm. The gop can't let Joe lose because imo he is their canary in the coal mine.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. My crystal ball is blurry.

How did you get yours to clear up?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

57. WD40....

Works every time!

[sendero]

6. We'll see..

... I remember all the folks here who were ADAMANT that Lamont couldn't win the primary.

There is a lot of time between now and Nov and there is a LOT OF ANGER against Republicans. I'm not so sure going puke is going to work out for Joe.

[Imagevision]

66. I believe within 12 more weeks Lamont will kick Joe's butt bigtime!

Lieberman stating today he thinks Rumsfeld should stepdown says it all, too little too late Joe, now, gtf outta here!

[aquart]

7. Sure. Republicans are really energized to run to the polls this year

And ignore their own candidate.

Yup.

Can you even imagine a more demoralizing, party-destabilizing vote?

I'm licking my chops over this.

[The Magistrate]

8. Mr. Lamont Has A Pretty Good Chance, Sir

He needs to put himself forward to the state's electorate in a positive manner, and increase his name recognition there. A good deal of Lieberman's expressed support is little more than his greater familiarity to people who do not pay a good deal fo attention. The state is small enough good retail politics can readily out-weigh some of the cable-news swill being focused on the contest. Lieberman's identification with Bush and the war will be a continuing asset to Mr. Lamont, eroding support for Lieberman more and more as the actual casting of ballots nears.

[Bluzmann57]

9. Thank you for your negative attitude

Just what was needed on this beautiful day. Why don't we just wait and see how the people of Connecticut vote in November?

[LaPera]

26. LAMONT WILL WIN! There is no doubt. Democrats win the senate in CT.

Lieberman is a republican, who masqueraded as a Dem - but was a mole in the Democratic party, now running as a mole Independent!

Good riddance!

We know where Republican Lieberman stands...even if he had won as the Democratic candidate...he would still of voted with Bush & the republicans on important & crucial issues.

Glad Liberman is gone from the democratic party!!!

Lamont will WIN!!!
:bounce:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

65. I really hope that happens!

[Placebo]

10. Don't think it can't happen, everybody!

Lieberman has an extremely good chance of winning in November, unfortunately.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

11. Thankfully, If So, Hopefully He Will Still Caucus With The Dems.

So in some way it may be a win-win situation.

[dbt]

12. Let it happen, then.

Right out in the open. We shall soon see a Thing.

:evilgrin:
dbt
Remember New Orleans

[Olney Blue]

13. If Lieberman is really that strong, he would have smashed Lamont

in the primary.

Lamont is in play, and he's viable. I trust Connecticut.

[Swamp Rat]

14. Yep

[Name removed]

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[Tom Yossarian Joad]

63. I forgot how I replied,

But I didn't realise it pissed anyone off.

I think I just agreed with you?

Oh, well.

[Kagemusha]

15. Can't lose what wasn't yours to begin with.

Just saying.

[w13rd0]

16. key to democrats winning in CT

is making sure everyone knows that Joe Lieberman is Bush's choice for CT. Dry up the remnant of Democrats that want to still vote for him, while making him unpalatable to the wingnuttery of the right. A vote for Joe is a vote for "politics as usual". Joe claims he wants to put aside partisanship, but his "independent" campaign is BASED on partisanship. Having been rejected by the democratic primary voters of his state, like a salivating dog, he prances across the isle to lap at the bowl of gruel besides Bush's stinky feet. His spouting of right wing talking points hurts democrats in down ticket races, and his being a best friend of Fox makes sure his nuttery is heard as the "voice of independent democrats" on the talking head shows.

He sullies what he could have considered a fairly distinguished three term career in the senate, and his legacy, with this bullshit. No one will remember his marching for civil rights. They'll remember him for the last six years, his votes on the bankruptcy bill, the Iraq war, Alito and Roberts, flushing the enron investigation, and all the other ways in which he has enabled this president, and finally, for his whining in his teacup over the CT primary voters rejecting him and calling for change. He's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he was indeed the WRONG VP pick in 2000. A whiny, petulant child of a man that gives in to bullies, employs bullies, and himself does his own fair share of bullies, with a moral compass that can't seem to distinguish principle from bone-headedness.

[Midlodemocrat]

22. And, if Lamont comes out swinging against Schlesinger and talks

repeatedly about his stance on gay marriage, abortion rights and the fact that he is practically in bed with the BFEE, it may well swing more conservative rethugs FROM Lieberman to Schlesinger.

The conservative parts of CT are old money wealthy. And they are very outnumbered. The conservatives that I knew when I lived in New Caanan, Darien and Stamford voted their pocketbooks.

[HockeyMom]

28. Bush approval ratings in Connecticut

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=06fb0f8b-0867-4068-b2d4-9783b80eb806

Pay close attention to the Independent approval rating. The key is not just Lamont's antiwar stance, but Lieberman's ties to BUSH and his policies.

Speaking as a former Independent, the way Loserman lost the Democratic Primary, and THEN declared himself a "democratic" Independent, would make me very angry.

Mr. Lieberman is not an Independent. He is a sore loser trying to win anyway he can.

[Cocoa]

17. what do you base this on?

[elehhhhna]

21. a desperate need for lots of attention.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

61. Would that fall into the purview of a personal attack?

That stinks from you. Differences are cool/ so are discussions/

What you proffered is not.

[elehhhhna]

94. You are right. I'm sorry

turns out I have a hellacious form of the flu today. It was obviously coming on yesterday, and I out of sorts & was rude and obnoxious.

I'm sorry

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

97. Don't give it a second's worry! I wish I had a nickle for every time

I've done the same sort of thing.

Hope you get to feeling better!

:toast:

[Eric J in MN]

18. If there were a televised debate between Alan Schlesinger and

...Ned Lamont, that might shift Republicans from Joseph Lieberman to Schlesinger.

[Midlodemocrat]

19. Oh fer cryin' out loud.

Why don't we all go into a corner, curl up into a fetal position and just cry ourselves to death?

Lamont has a good shot. CT is a very BLUE state.

[buddhamama]

20. I grew up in CT.

have family there still so I am fairly confident when I say I think you're wrong.

[wakeme2008]

23. Schlesinger IMHO is not going to roll over and tell Repugs to vote for

Joey.

IMHO Lamont is going to win :)

[msongs]

24. he/she posted the moan and groan thread and disappeared? nt

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

89. Still here...

I'm afraid that Leiberman might win. I don't like that.

If he were a true Dem, he would have stepped down after the people spoke with their vote.

[Speck Tater]

27. They are the BORG. Resistance is futile. (nt)

[A-Schwarzenegger]

29. Try starting a non-hysterical thread some time.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

30. Smacksmacksmacksmacksmack.

The sound of my forehead hitting the keyboard.

[jmowreader]

31. I don't think that's the case

There are two classes of Republican in Connecticut: extremely old money, and rich Repukes who work in NYC (mostly in the financial industry--stockbrokers, bank executives, merger-and-acquisition guys) but don't want to live there.

Joe Lieberman can't sit too well with either of these groups...because, while he's a de facto Republican, he ran for vice president of the United States as a Democrat. Therefore, he's either Still a Democrat or A Very Bad Republican.

In reality, no one's really sure what the fuck Joe Lieberman is. He votes with Bush. He votes against Bush. He votes his constituents' pocketbooks this week then votes to clean them out the next.

There is a bona fide Republican on the ballot in Connecticut; if he gets off his ass and reminds the voters of Connecticut that he's actually running for a senate seat, he might get some of the vote. But I think Lamont is going to Washington in January.

[cali]

75. As someone who grew

up in New Canaan, I can assure you that the monied folks you're talking about (more and more of whom are voting dem btw) I can assure you that those folks will not be voting for Schlesinger.

[jmowreader]

82. Or any other Republican, for that matter

George W. Bush may turn out to be the best friend the Democratic Party ever had.

By November, we're probably going to be looking at around 3000 American KIAs--and if anyone ever drops the number of guys who were wounded in action then died of those wounds, and adds it to the number of people who died before they reached the medical system, we're probably looking more at six thousand guys. Anyway, it's a lot of troops.

By November, the financial triple-whammy of ARMs adjusting to the point where people can't afford their mortgages coupled with a shit homebuyers market and the Bush Bankruptcy Act will turn a LOT of current homeowners into renters...and turn a lot of mortgages into worthless paper.

Gonna be lots of joblessness, and we farted away much of America's wealth-creation capacity. There are four wealth-creating industries: mining, agriculture, forestry and manufacturing. Agriculture belongs to big business, forestry is going away due to clearcutting, and manufacturing is either in Mexico or on the other side of the Pacific Rim. And I assume that lots of American ore is being smelted in Chinese plants because we have environmental laws and they don't so much. Service-based economies aren't all that sustainable.

[kentuck]

32. I don't think so...

How many Democratic votes do you think Joe will lose in the general election that he got in the primary? That means he has to get 3 Republican votes for every two Democrats he loses in the General? I doubt that he will get the same 48% he got in the primary? I would guess he might get 30% tops? And how many Repubs do you think will actually vote for Joementum when it comes time to pull the lever?? My bet would be that he would not get 50% of the Republicans. Thirty percent of Democrats and fifty percent of Republicans would only get Joe up to about 30-32%. He still loses.

[Raffi Ella]

33. well who would've ever thought LIEberman

could ever have lost to Lamont in the first place?

It happened though, didn't it?

:dem:

[Greyhound]

35. Don't buy into the M$M disinformation campaign. n/t

[Cha]

36. Get a Grip!

Down with Defeatism!

[Me.]

38. Can't Agree

Yes some will support him, the hardliners, however it is a state filled with moderates and Lowell Weicker, who is well respected in the state and bears no love for hapless Joe, has stated his intent to use his influence with mod. pubs and indies on Lamont's behalf. In addition one week in politics is a long time, over two months is an eternity. I predict that by the end of Sept. he will manage to shoot himself in the foot. He's feeling like a victim right now and having a real pity party but I can see how in time, with no real new message, people will get tired of his whine and looking at his petulant puss.

The time to throw in the towel is after the votes have been counted.

*shadow government*

[survivor999]

39. Not gonna happen!

[rooboy]

41. Even if Lieberman wins, the only loser is Lieberman.

He was running with the dogs anyway, but if he wins as an independent he'll have no power in the party whatsoever. And he'll hate that.

[lutefisk]

47. Isn't it likely he'll officially become a Republican after winning?

The move will be promoted as uniting a dividing Nation, or some bs like that. I think Joe is going to win, and I think the bastard will be some kind of star after switching parties. Defeatist, shmeetist- that's my prediction.

[Blue Belle]

93. If he wins as an Independant...

Will he lose his placement in seats on committees? Will he lose his committee seats? How does that work.

I don't think Leiberman will win, I was just curious what the rules were.

[ComerPerro]

42. So what. He hasn't been a Dem for several years now

[hlthe2b]

43. Well, as long as we don't lose Connecticut............

:evilgrin:

[B Calm]

44. We kicked the SOB out of the Democratic Party! Far as I'm concerned

we already won!

[Caoimhe]

45. So goes the war... so goes Joe and the neocons... n/t

[deacon]

48. All Lamont has to do is keep tying Joe to cheney and bush AND

watching and reporting where Joes money support is coming from. Make that public.

[Skittles]

49. whatever happens

it was right that Lamont won

[TheFarseer]

50. not yet, Jeez, let it play out.

Lamont was down in the primary polls once upon a time also.

[Onlooker]

51. Lamont has already cut Lieberman's lead in half

Let's remember that an earlier statewide poll had Lieberman leading Lamont by 21%. Now he only leads by 11%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/State%20Polls/February%202006/Connecticut%20Senate%20February.htm

[peacetalksforall]

52. Now, we all know how obsessed George is with loyalty - he will talk

Joe into remaining a Democrat because he is so committed to it. And Joe will come to realize how important loyalty is to him, also.

[leesa]

53. Nah. He's pro-choice. Use it!

[DainBramaged]

54. yup, flame bait, notice the originator has not returned?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

59. I'm here....

What would you ask?

[DainBramaged]

68. Are you working for NoMoJoe?

One last question; what do you base your theory on? My bet is on Repuke talking points.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

71. I'm basing it on the polls I've been seeing.

And as I said in the OP, I hope I'm wrong,

[DainBramaged]

72. Why not respond to the question about working for NoMoJoe?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

88. Because that part of the question didn't deserve a reply.

[DainBramaged]

95. In the end, neither does this thread

Instigation

in·sti·gate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nst-gt)
tr.v. in·sti·gat·ed, in·sti·gat·ing, in·sti·gates
To urge on; goad.
To stir up; foment.

insti·gation n.
insti·gative adj.
insti·gator n.

[jsamuel]

55. one poll and people start shooting themselves in the foot...

:eyes:

[CTLawGuy]

56. Republicans alone cannot

and everyone else is getting sick of him.

He's at the height of his support at this point. Everyone knows him and either likes him or doesn't. It's all up to Ned at this point.

[EFerrari]

58. No! We'll be fine. Watch, just watch.

:hi:

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

64. Dear God, I hope you are right!

I really do!

:toast:

[EFerrari]

67. We'll be fine, my friend.

:toast:

[JI7]

60. if people like yourself let them

with this type of stuff.

[Mr_Spock]

62. Connecticut.

is lost for sure.

[symbolman]

69. Try My flash on for size - ain't gonna win If *I* can Help it..

Here's my latest work all about Joe LIEberman's ridiculous run as a "Party of One", which reminds me of "Army of One" (which gives ME a mental image of a guy stuck under fire in a foxhole, looking around and saying, "WHERE the hell IS EVERYBODY!!") :) -- Makes about as much sense in a marketing vein. Party of One, Translates into "Party of NONE" when it involved LIEberman, might as well be saying, "Party of ME", eh?

This flash also incorporates the fact that the Terror Lockdown on Liquids, etc came so close on the heels of Joe's Smackdown by Lamont as to not be considered credible - even today they are confirming that people will walk FREE because they don't have the evidence to hold them, let alone that there were NO Explosives in their possession, they hadn't even made reservations, etc, etc..

Meanwhile they talk about charging a PREGNANT woman for having some water, and a face wipe - this flash addresses those concerns as well, the fact that WE are being used as PUPPETS in a The Politics of Terror.

Remember, a republican said they'd ride this last nonThreat all the way into November. Let's prove them wrong.. Let's VOTE for Lamont, as we all know this last Primary was a referendum on Bush and his faked "war". The Nerve of LIEberman to shit all over the Democrats. It's like using a girlfriend to get you through medical school and then snatching up the Trophy Wife once you've graduated. How can we ever trust this Puppet again?

One of my best Flash works ever, and to the Tune of "Masters of War" by Mr Bob Dylan, and no truer words were spoken in our time.

Have a look at:

http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20060819044200833

[Vinca]

73. That's brilliant - absolutely brilliant. I have to watch it again. nt

[derby378]

77. Any way I can download this? I can't use Firefox...

It's freakin' excellent. Thank you for sharing!!

[w4rma]

78. Lamont is the candidate with the momentum.

And momentum is all that matters this far out.

[SaveElmer]

79. It is going to be extremely close...

Lieberman is a formidible opponent...

Many who make pollyannish comments here about how Lieberman has no chance are simply whistling past the graveyard.

The best way to defeat him is to face up to that reality and confront it...not pretend it isn't real...

[debbierlus]

80. The election is TWO months away, an eternity in politics

Lieberman has name recognition. That is ALL.

We are a bunch of political junkies. But, a huge percentage of people in CT are not even following the race, yet!

I understand your concern, but it is important to remember the apathy of the American public.

[Javaman]

81. I smell a LIEberman supporter. go away. nt

[DainBramaged]

83. Again, are you working for NoJoe?

[Taoschick]

84. It is not

A foregone conclusion. A lot can happen in the next 2 months.

[flyarm]

85. I HEARD YESTERDAY MORNING ON A TALK SHOW THAT

Lowell Weicker is working on bringing the indy's and moderate rethugs to Lamont..and that he is in a real campaign to bring the moderate rethugs to Lamont..

then last week on sunday morn Lowell Weickerwas on the local sunday morning NY top show about politics smearing the shit out of Lieberman!

count on Lowell!!

fly

[WI_DEM]

86. that's nice but nobody delivers votes. Clinton didn't deliver CT to

Lieberman in the democratic primary.

Weicker is a good allie though, but it isn't clear how effective he would be.

[flyarm]

87. he was pop governor and senator...n/t

[bigtree]

90. what the hell?

why the public cowering act? What possible purpose does this serve?

[lonestarnot]

91. Tom Yossarian Joad

This post is full of bullshit!

[Bill McBlueState]

92. I hope you're wrong too

But think of it this way -- if Lieberman continues to caucus with the Dems, it's not much of a loss at all.

I'm focusing more closely on races where we have a chance to unseat a Republican. That's how we'll take back the Senate.

[warrens]

96. Gee, why not just give up now and register Repuke?