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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 09:40 AM
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Keyboard Shrinks: What makes Neo-Cons Tick, deep down inside?
What are these things called neo cons? Did they just materialize from hell or what? These men like Cheney and Rummy and ladies like Condi and Gary Bauer, what makes them think like they do, and do what they do?

Do they have Napoleonic complexes? Or messianic complexes? Is it a power/ego trip to want to conquer Earth like Dr. Evil?

Did they have unhappy childhoods? Did they never have a grapefruit? Are they regular people like us, or are they monstrous freaks?

Why does this tiny handful of assholes and jerkoffs have such sway over the world and it's peoples? Why do they exist and why do we allow them to?

Armchair Analysts, help me out!
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 09:43 AM
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1. Fear of scarcity and individuality. Also developmental retardation.
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 09:44 AM
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2. fear and deep self doubt n/t
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 09:48 AM
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3. Fear, plain and simple, FEAR. n/t
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 09:52 AM
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4. scared, lonely little men, want us to share their fear I guess.
They must feel very tiny and fearful deep down inside the windmills of their minds.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:13 AM
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5. most of them used to be Trotsky-ites
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 10:44 AM by newyawker99
So figure that out! Here's an excerpt from an article detailing the makeup of neocons -- lots more at the link:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2001/08-13-2001/vo17no17_neoconservatism.htm

In 1927, Leon Trotsky broke with Lenin?s partner Joseph Stalin and was forced into exile a year later. He broke with Leninism because he preferred having mankind choose Marxism rather than having it imposed through the brutality favored by Lenin and Stalin. It?s important to understand that Trotsky wasn?t an opponent of the Marxist program, which is socialism. He was only an opponent of the head cracking brought to the socialist movement by Lenin and continued by Stalin. Since he continued to be a definite challenge to the brutal Soviet leader, Trotsky was murdered by one of Stalin?s agents in Mexico in 1940. Before he was killed, however, he had attracted a substantial following among men who never lost their determination to have socialism and world government control mankind.

In 1995, neocon godfather Kristol candidly stated, "I regard myself to have been a young Trostkyite and I have not a single bitter memory." You can see in that statement his willingness to identify with Trotsky. As far back as 1983, he claimed that "a conservative welfare state ? is perfectly consistent with the neoconservative perspective." A conservative welfare state? That qualifies as the oxymoron of the decade.

Writing in Kristol?s journal, The National Interest, in 1989, fellow neocon Charles Krauthammer called for the integration of Europe, Japan, and the U.S. to create a "super-sovereign" government. He even voiced his desire to see "the conscious depreciation not only of American sovereignty but of the notion of sovereignty in general." So, it?s safe to say that these people are the enemies of a constitutionally limited government in an independent nation. They are enemies; they are neoconservatives. Add in Midge Decter, Norman Podhoretz, Elliott Abrams, Ben Wattenberg, the magazine Commentary led by Podhoretz, The Weekly Standard led by Irving Kristol?s son William, and many others.

The drive toward neoconservatism in America started quite a bit earlier. In 1952, a young "conservative" serving a one-year tour of duty with the CIA wrote an article for The Commonweal, a Catholic weekly. This man wrote:

? we have got to accept Big Government for the duration ? for neither an offensive nor a defensive war can be waged, given our present government skills, except through the instrument of a totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores....

And if they deem Soviet power a menace to our freedom (as I happen to), they will have to support large armies and air forces, atomic energy, central intelligence, war production boards, and the attendant centralization of power in Washington ? even with Truman at the reins of it all.

More at link...

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The Deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:14 AM
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6. The Neo-Cons I'm
acquainted with are not much like the freepers & dittoheads - those folks just seem to be severely developmentally disabled & spouting any nonsense they're fed.
The neo-cons I actually know personally tend to be very shallow people who seem to lack empathy and are into instant gratification. They will take the last piece of chocolate cake (you know - the leftover chunk most of us would view as three or four pieces when cut) without asking & then be genuinely hurt when you suggest that was greedy of them & that others may have also wanted a piece. I think that's what I always take away from meetings with them - they have the emotional depth of your average three-year-old (who, for those of not parents, have a vocabulary consisting mainly of the word "Mine!") Fortunately, three-year-olds grow up - but I'm afraid we can't expect the same of neo-cons (nor can we risk the Earth waiting for them to learn to work & play well with others.)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:35 AM
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12. I think you've nailed it, The Deacon.
But, I'd put them closer to 18 months. By that age, most people can have pretty complex relationships. These guys don't have real relationships, they just mimic them.
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Metta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:26 AM
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7. Greed, malice and the love of violence.
Also, the great uncaring for others who don't share their world view. If they could kill us and hide the bodies, they would.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:29 AM
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8. They want to be like their neighbors. It's a cultural thing, like religion
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:30 AM
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9. 1960s, or any other period of social and cultural disent
no psycology needed
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:31 AM
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10. No one's mentioned teeny weenies.
which I suggest as a real causation.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:33 AM
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11. They know that if it weren't for their riches
...they'd have no power. They live on shaky foundations.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:35 AM
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13. Gary Bauer's a lady? You are so wrong!
Gary Bauer's a tramp.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:50 AM
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15. oops, that was an obvious typo.
not
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 10:36 AM
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14. Fear, insecurity, greed, jealousy
I think that those are the main driving forces behind these people. Fear of the dreaded "other", whatever that "other" may be. If it is unfamiliar, then they fear it. Insecurity, mostly in their own shortcomings, but also the insecurity that living in these unstable times brings. Greed, for at the very core of their ethos they want to "get theirs and screw the rest of you". Jealousy, because if somebody has something, either material or immaterial, that they can't have, they're pissed about it.

One could go on and on for reams of paper about this, and hopefully somebody much more knowledgable than I is doing so. But I think it does break down to these four emotions. And interestingly enough, I think that you also find the same dynamic at play in your average school bully.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-04-06 11:58 AM
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16. The real neocons I believe desire a return to a feudal-style society.
Edited on Fri Aug-04-06 12:02 PM by Sinti
They feel entitled to it, and robbed of their birthright not only by "The New Deal" but by the creation of an egalitarian/democratic society in general. Corporate colonialism and the Captains of Industry are no substitute for real monarchy and petty kingships. I'm convinced they also feel that we are wasting resources that are rightfully theirs, those resources being air, water, arable land... given our stature as cattle we have no right to anything. You must produce for them if you wish to continue exist in their world. Then you buy your necessities from them, so they still own the majority of everything.


On the other hand, their followers (citizens/human-cattle/OFUs) appear to have a kind of daddy complex. They need someone to tell them what to do. They just love authority, it keeps them from having to make decisions on their own. Mental laziness coupled with a fear of making the wrong decision and being cast out of the group. It's part of an instinctual process, being cast out generally bodes ill for survival. Three generations of brainwashing can do this - people now express themselves via the clothes they bought from Giganto Megacorp rather than with their words and actions. Welcome to hell...
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