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Canadian_NewDemocrat (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 10:46 PM Original message |
Natives or Whites? Who were the greater victims? |
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racaulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
1. ??? |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. White Irish people were frequently victimized here |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:12 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. The consistent theme is that they were victimized by WHITES. n/t |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
32. OP is comparing indians to whites during N.Am settling by whites |
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laruemtt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 06:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
69. italians too - just ask my ma |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #69 |
80. native american/indians wouldn't hire WOPs? |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Whites. Soon to be eclipsed by Indians and Chinese. |
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Canadian_NewDemocrat (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 10:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. no, no, |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 10:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. if that was right the natives would have won... |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. You're way off. |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Easy for you to say |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. ITS THEIR LAND |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #17 |
91. It's their land? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 05:52 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Funny. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. good call on the double talk |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:59 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Are you series? |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:03 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. You're right, easy for me to say. And easy for you as well. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:41 AM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Deleted sub-thread |
Asgaya Dihi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:09 AM Response to Reply #15 |
25. "you'd realize that they were playing pretty dirty, too" |
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Union Thug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
28. I have no sympathy for the 'whites' on the prairie |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 02:03 AM Response to Reply #15 |
56. oh that is TOO fucking funny... |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 06:31 AM Response to Reply #15 |
66. O.M.G. |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 08:46 AM Response to Reply #15 |
72. "You weren't living on the prairies, " I think what you meant to say is |
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Asgaya Dihi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Wiki is more a source for what people think than facts |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
29. smallpox blankets. wiping out buffalo. trail of tears. reservations. |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
44. you've been reading slop |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:48 AM Response to Reply #4 |
46. Even the movies more sympathetic to the Native Americans... |
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tocqueville (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
3. your sources are either nuts or racists |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 09:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
75. Even many of the |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
6. read "a people's history of the united states" by howard zinn for starters |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:04 AM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Reality check! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:22 AM Response to Reply #21 |
30. That would be me. |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:53 AM Response to Reply #21 |
47. that would be me too |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #47 |
81. OMG! no wonder you terrify me, or terrify me 1/2 the time |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 02:05 AM Response to Reply #21 |
57. oh man, you are killing me!! |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 02:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
62. so the effort at extermination of an indigenous peoples is okay by you |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 03:07 AM Response to Reply #21 |
63. Just how many massacres of whites were there? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 06:34 AM Response to Reply #21 |
67. One of the worst -- if not THE worst -- revisionist history posts |
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minkyboodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 09:32 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. this place has gone to the dogs |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. It is just... just..... |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. Read the history. And weep. |
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Canadian_NewDemocrat (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. oh |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. You do realize Custer was an egocentric self righteous fool? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Not even a real General, either |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
50. another suggestion... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I think you confuse cause and effect |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:57 AM Response to Reply #26 |
53. and they have back up |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 02:07 AM Response to Reply #22 |
58. ding! fries are done! ding! fries are done! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 06:36 AM Response to Reply #22 |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
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Canadian_NewDemocrat (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. I mean by no means to seem racist |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:09 AM Response to Reply #10 |
24. Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-02-06 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
23. The subject is very hazy, |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Indeed, University of Oklahoma is a good |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:31 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. yes, |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
35. Both sucked, Am Indians were not nice, neither were we (euros) |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:00 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Not that simple. This was their land and "we" had no |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:03 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Explain 'their' land |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:07 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Simply...they were here and "we" weren't. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:31 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. From a liberal textook on history I had |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:38 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Well, I disagree that things were "up for grabs." |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:46 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. What is a historical claim to land anyway? |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:54 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. But that's none of "our" business. How they would have worked |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:57 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. I AGREE that they got screwed by us |
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blonndee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:59 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Maybe so, but that is between/among THEM, not |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #52 |
82. not just screwed, screwed is too light of a term |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #52 |
92. A lot of warring tribes, of the past |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 03:24 AM Response to Reply #48 |
65. when I read Memoirs of a Sauk Swiss |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:56 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. As with the evolution of any people... |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:43 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. You need a good course on Native American History |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:40 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. No moral high ground? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:55 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. You mean like Entire tribes wiped out in Ohio by other tribes? |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 02:00 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. I got my first degree at Salish Kootenai College in Pablo, MT.. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 02:11 AM Response to Reply #55 |
60. All I am basically saying is |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 02:23 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I do understand what you're saying... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 11:58 AM Response to Reply #60 |
84. This is the problem "No one owned this continent" |
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semillama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #49 |
86. What tribes are you talking about in Ohio? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-04-06 11:35 PM Response to Reply #86 |
100. Will dig up some quotes for you, as to where I got it from |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
37. I'm sorry, I can't recall any mass genocides of whites... |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 02:09 AM Response to Reply #37 |
59. Thank You!! |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 06:58 AM Response to Reply #37 |
71. Me Neither |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 08:51 AM Response to Reply #37 |
73. Dear god, no kidding, huh? |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 08:53 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I know... |
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mark414 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 03:09 AM Response to Original message |
64. trail of tears. little big horn. smallpox. guns. alcohol. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
70. I don't know whether to laugh |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
77. Yeah, the Native Americans treated the whites like shit. |
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minkyboodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 11:30 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. LOL |
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genie_weenie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
83. Why must questions be polarized like this? |
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Canadian_NewDemocrat (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. native women |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Depends on the tribe, the time, etc. |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. It depends on the tribe... |
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Canadian_NewDemocrat (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 05:32 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. cool |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. In both Haida and |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 05:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. that way also you would not marry close relatives, sort of |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 06:06 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Yeah, i never thought of it that way...:) |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 06:14 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I spent a yr in Ketchikan, doing home health visits |
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Broken_Hero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I'm from Ketchikan...:) |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-03-06 05:32 PM Response to Original message |
90. I suggest a comprehensive review of treaties |
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