Mr. Gillerman, Ambassador from Israel. just smeared Carter in a very

[peacetalksforall]

disgusting way - attacked his character and Presidency. Said he was not a good President and much more - I couldn't get to the volume in time - can someone add some of the ugly remarks? (Washington Journal C-Span).

That did it for me. It was extremely un-diplomatic. My stomach turned.

He just insulted a huge mass of people who believe in Carter (expecially the man and human he has shown himself to be).

Big mistake with me.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

1. I saw that - Gillerman is one mean, asswipe bastard. I've had

enough of seeing this crazy jerk on TV. He is representative of everything that is wrong with Israel right now.

Gillerman is not fit to lick the soles of Jimmy Carter's shoes and I just wish there had been enough time for someone to call in and ream him out. Just another lame hit and run comment by someone who is supported by Chucklenuts. It is what they do. It is all they know.

[havocmom]

2. Hawks in Israel were harder on their own pro-diplomatic solution PM

The fact that they just say nasty things about an honorable US President could be a relief if one looks at it from that perspective.

[jpkenny]

40. Nasty like sourthern whites about blacks and whites who support them.

They are the ilk of the world.

[havocmom]

42. more like hawks that kill doves

Keep thinking back to Nov or 63. How different would America and the world have been now if that hadn't happened.

JFK was looking like troops outta SE Asia. Then he was gone and LBJ was lied to and completely bamboozled by 'advisers'. The war kept getting worse. But, hell, some made lots of money...

Things in the ME started to look a bit hopeful and a peace seeking Prime Minister was killed...

The hawks don't care who goes down as long as they can get their wars on.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

3. he called carter an embarassment

the same word danielle pletka used earlier.

jimmy carter is the one religious man who actually practices what he preaches.

[n2doc]

4. Carter was the best thing to happen to Israel

Without the cover his brokered peace deals provided Israel would be even more reviled. Of course the Hawks hate him since he showed that another way was possible other than perpetual war.

[elehhhhna]

25. NOW I'VE HEARD IT ALL. They COVER themselves with shame,

APPROPRIATE the same tactics the Nazis used against them, then call Carter names? THEY ARE INSANE.

[malaise]

37. Wrong - what is insane is that

this warmongering Zionist Ambasssador was allowed to insult a former President on national TV. The media is so gungho with the neocon agenda that any semblence of protocol or basic decency has been abandoned.

[flpoljunkie]

5. Gillerman's attack tells us much more about him than it does Jimmy Carter.

Gillerman called Carter an "embarrassment" along with his speeches, op-eds, etc., and that he has "tarnished his legacy." What Israel is doing is destroying any hope for peace in the Middle East and Gillerman's dissembling helps no one.

[Efilroft Sul]

27. His attack also shows much more.

1. Gillerman's using the same language as the neocons here. They're all using the same talking points.
2. When you're speaking the same talking points, you're all on the same page. In other words, there is a common plan or at least a mutually aspired-to goal.
3. "Peace" and "cease-fire" are forbidden terms. The PNAC cabal and the Likudniks seem hell-bent on drawing Syria and Iran into this conflict.

Gillerman and Bolton must've attended the same school for diplomacy. His attack on Carter isn't the language of an ambassador.

[flpoljunkie]

32. Definitely not the language of an ambassador, unless you include Bolton.

Your analysis is dead on.

[madrchsod]

6. israel is digging itself deeper in the well

he insults the only truly christian president we have in the last 106 years. a truly moral man that by his good works he is known. i would really like to print what i think of mr gillerman and just where he can go but i`d better not

[texasleo]

7. They use the "war on terror" talking points already

why not go all the way and speak like American conservatives?

[peacetalksforall]

8. Was he trying to ingrain himself further with Cheney and PNAC and

the religious fanatics who support PNAC? Was it just plain hate spewing out of his mouth or was it a political move?

Ambassadors just don't do that sort of thing.

If he wanted to ensure continued support from the right wing, I'm sure he got it.

Doesn't he know - the support he just appealed to with his venom ranges from only about 27 to 35 per cent of this country?

[marions ghost]

9. this is the first time

I've actually listened to Gillerman on C-Span, altho I believe he's been on Washington Journal a few times since this whole mess started, hasn't he? Anyway, he strikes me as a real extreme propagandist for the Israeli right wing. Watching him is truly like "Your Message from the Ministry of Truth."

Gillerman's bombastic rhetoric sounds so "yesterday"...so 'Operation Iraqi Freedom.' Freedom and Democracy and all that. Can Americans even absorb this crap anymore after the lies we have been fed?

Jimmy Carter, on the other hand, has been speaking out eloquently on the need for sanity and diplomatic
precedures, using very strong words against current Israeli policies. I hope he keeps it up. We need his wise counsel and experience right now.

[highnooner]

10. The last time I checked,

Israel is still at peace with Egypt almost 30 years after he brokered an agreement between Sadat and Begin. See....diplomacy can work.

[FreeStateDemocrat]

24. Instead of gratitude for helping secure their nationhood they ridicule him

Ignorance personified when you can't recognize your real friends.

[Poll_Blind]

11. This is not the first time Carter's been slimed by "Team Israel"

Their rhetoric was getting so bad in I/P (calling Carter an anti-Semite) I posted a very short-lived Poll to find out what DU really thought of him.

  Now that is disturbing.

PB

[burythehatchet]

12. He'll make a good Prime Minister

These guys are disappointing.

[burythehatchet]

13. The reason they smear Carter is because he was the last president

to genuinely want peace through reconciliation. Which, when yo think about it, is the only way to peace. These guys don't want peace, they lost that plot.

[Recursion]

33. What about WJC?

Though I think I do see a distinction, and maybe that's what you meant. Carter understood that peace has to come (can only come) from leaders who address their societies' collective wills towards peace. It's a social, if you will, spiritual, change. WJC was a lot more top-down and seemed to think that if you solved territorial disputes the rest would follow. I can see territory as a necessary condition for peace, but it's by no means sufficient.

[cali]

14. Gillerman is

a vile man. I expect nothing more from him.

[patcox2]

15. "Israeli Diplomacy" is an oxymoron.

Really.

[acmejack]

16. I was really pissed!

He "wasn't a very good President". Gillerman has gotten so much face time lately. Cispan has really given these guys an accomdation, Peres is on now. I suppose they have been fairly even handed, it just these hawks are too annoying.

[peacetalksforall]

17. I can't stop thinking about what he said. This ranks in the

unforgiveable.

I have listened to him several times previously as I really wanted to listen to all of them to apply my credibility meter and study the merits of their arguments. I have nothing further to listen to from Mr. Gillerman. Click. Off. Why listen to more sewer talk? He was despicable. I hope that as history records President Carter's attempts at peace, that they will include the horrible things said about him. That will be a yardstick to whose side one will take retroactively.

Ambassador Gillerman from Israel spoke for PNAC, my friends, and he also spoke for all the bigots of Pres. Carter - the religious fanatics and Dem haters.

Congratulations to him for ugly humanity. If he said it for more donations of money, weapons, and support - who was the target audience other than those just named in the above paragraph?

[stopbush]

18. Gillerman is an arrogant asshole - the perfect face for Israel right now.

I've heard him spout his "Israel is a moral country. The difference between us and Hezbollah is that we mourn every death of
a child. They cheer the death of every Israeli child."

What bullshit. Just look at the numbers. Which children are dying? How many children have died at the hands of Israel? How many at the hands
of Hezbollah? If Israel is an example of morals, I'll take immorality, thank you. I'll live longer. Case closed.

Sorry, asshole, but your country's actions speak louder than your empty, arrogant, self-serving words.

[long_green]

19. I'm glad he said these hateful things

More and more, people are seeing the ruling junta of Israel for what they are: bigots and callous maniacs.

[bvar22]

20. Lets examine Carter's "embarassing" Energy Policy.

Had the USA continued with Carter's energy policies, the US would be "Energy Independent" today with a large percentage of our energy needs met from alternative renewable sources.

Jimmy Carter also felt that it was immoral for taxpayer dollars to be spent destabilizing & overthrowing domocratic governments and killing their citizens (Black Ops).

No wonder the Right Wing was forced toswiftboat him and his presidency. Too bad so many "educated" Democrats perpetuate the Right Wing propaganda about his presidency.

[mom cat]

21. Thanks!

[truebrit71]

23. One of the staunchest republican co-workers I have said the same thing...

...about Carter's energy policies...

Now THAT is saying something...

This Israeli prick on the other hand cna just sod off..... :grr:

[AzDar]

22. Israel, while always slightly Hawkish, has been , like our own country,

HIJACKED by right-wing nutjobs.
Their 'triggering event' was the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, imnsho.

[originalpckelly]

28. Of course he was killed by a right-wing ISRAELI nutjob.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yigal_Amir

And the nutjobs want his sentence to be reduced (remember these are people who usually believe in punishing people to the fullest extent, except when peace-loving PMs are killed.)

[Cleita]

29. I hope this realization spreads among the

"Israel has a right to defend itself" Jewish loyalists. I once nearly had my head cut off for saying that both Sharon and Arafat were the causes of the violence. Getting the radical right wing factions of both sides out of the politics will open the way for lasting peace.

[Virginia Dare]

26. The current Israeli leadership does not want peace...

anymore than the current U.S. leadership does. This is outrageous, vile, and offensive. They are evil bloodthirsty bastards.

[KharmaTrain]

30. Today's Rove/AIPAC Talking Point

He wasn't the first I heard use this bullshit. Early an RNC hack, Danielle Placko, used the same tripe on Washington Journal and it was echoed by several plants...err I mean callers.

If these goons want to find a scapegoat for Iran, Carter makes a nice easy target, but it was their guru Henry Kissinger who did most the damage. In 1975 he worked a "peace" between Saddam Hussein and the Iranians...sending billions of US military aid to prop up the Shah in Teheran and allowing Hussein to massacre the Kurds. Good move Hank...see how well it turned out?

While I'm supportive of Israel, I sure am not of this kind of revisionist crap. Gillerman suggested the peace with Egypt and Jordan weren't "worth it"...meaning all the money that the U.S. has spent. What the hell does he care? His country got a good chunk of change in the process. Camp David helped demilitarize several hundred miles of Israeli border and frontier and take the largest Arab nation/army out of play...and that deal has struck. Would this asshat like it that Israel would also have to consentrated forces along the Negev/Sinai border?

It makes it hard for one who tries to square what one considers legitimate self-defense and national security with these type of goons...and it gives fodder to those who thing all Israel supporters think this way.

Peace...

[Jack Rabbit]

31. The ambassador raises a red herring

I don't think Carter was a good President, either.

Now what has that to do with the carnage in the Middle East right now?

[peacetalksforall]

35. He wasn't just talking about Carter's presidency - he smeared the

person. There is a distinction between the two. Lots of people criticize his presidency. Some could criticize specific issues of his presidency.
No decent person criticizes the person.

Distinctions. Very important.

I haven't yet put it out of my mind. If he had the gall to say what he did to the C-Span world, I can just imagine what he says off camera.

I pay no attention to what a celebrity like Gibson says. Ambassadors are supposed to be superior in diplomacy.

I can't believe how I reacted to this. He was despicable.

[killbotfactory]

34. With friends like these...

who needs enemies?

[JackNewtown]

36. Pathetic

Gillerman is not 1/1,000th the man Carter is.

[roody]

38. Here's a good idea.

The separation of church and state!!!

[stephinrome]

39. here's the video

Link to video (real media) on c-span for those, like me, who missed it:

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/intl/intl_wj080106_gillerman.rm

[charlie]

41. Jeeeeezus, what an ASSHOLE

I watched the video (the link at #39, thanks, stephinrome). It's at the 19:15 mark. He called Carter "an embarassment" 5 or 6 six time -- his appearances, op-eds, and speeches are an embarassment; Carter himself is an embarassment "to the great institution of the presidency"! His crack "President Carter wasn't all that great a president to start with" was just an aside in the litany of embarassments. And for the drearily predictable coup de grace...

"...how can President Carter justify what the Hizbollah are doing today, terrorizing the Lebanese, terrorizing the Israelis?"

An apologist for Hizbollah terror! It seems not even former presidents are exempt from this sort of shitstained smearing from defenders of All Things Israeli.

[Nimrod2005]

43. This fucking sick bastard speaks for Israel, this is exactly who

Israel is...A nasty dirty violent blood thirsty entity. We should be ashamed we are the only country in the WORLD who supports them, supports the crimes and the murder.