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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:05 AM
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I wish there was a god I could pray to to stop this madness,
But there isn't. I wish I was a believer, it might make me feel better, but I'm not.

But I really wish there was a god, and a heaven and a hell, but we don't need a Deity to bring peace, its up to us, not a god.

Years ago when I was a believer, I used to waste my time praying for peace on earth every December, then I'd see the men carrying machine guns down the streets of the little town of Bethlehem.

The god of Abraham has brought no peace to his people in the middle east, prayers for peace to him fall on deaf ears.



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checkmate1947 Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:08 AM
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1. Don't blame God
for mans need to destroy himself, God made man a free thinking mammal it isn't his fault we are trying to destroy ourselves and our environment.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:08 AM
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2. I don't....n/t
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:09 AM
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3.  if Gods on our side
He'll stop the next war (Bob Dylan)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:09 AM
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4. It makes you wonder don't it Raptor
If, according to the bible, we are indeed created in "God's image" then in my opinion we need to impeach "The Lord" because that would clearly make him a jealous, bloodthirsty, racist, greedy asshole. I'd rather he made me in the image of a dog. My dog sleeps, eats, licks itself (lucky bugger) and loves people and that's it. Woof.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:19 AM
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10. Dog is God spelled backward.
Or is it that God is Dog spelled backward?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:24 AM
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12. And my canine critter
reminds of that constantly. B-)
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:10 AM
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5. I wish there was, too.
I don't wish for a hell, though. In fact, that's one of the reasons I concluded there must not be a god, at least not one like what most people seem to worship. If there was, I wouldn't worship it.
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michaelpush Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:22 AM
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11. A lot of people are already in hell,
and, the rest of the world are too selfish and self-centered to change it...I have looked for God many times in my life, but, didn't find It, sure can hide well! If humankind was Gods children then it would show itself and discipline us. I knew my parents were real and I knew what would happen if I got out of line, not so with God. If my parents acted like God I would have never stayed in line. Thats why I have stopped trying to find it, I don't believe it exists. So it boils down to this, ITS UP TO US!
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:13 AM
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6. That's an opinion
You can choose to believe that, but it doesn't mean your opinion is correct. People on Earth will do what they want and God can't stop them.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:13 AM
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7. A real God would come in handy right now
You know, the kind that loved everyone and had the power to change things.

Until then we are left with the nifty cardboard-cutout versions of God.

I, too, used to be a believer. I wasted plenty of time "on my face in supplication", all to no avail. My ceiling never did a damned thing for me.

And on the war rages...
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:45 AM
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19. I have to wonder
if the warmongers really believed that they were loved - really believed that there was a God/dess that loved everyone equally - would they still bomb people?

Would the leaders still hate people as much? And try to get the people they lead to hate neighbors in their own country - as well as neighboring countries?

Belief in "God" is not helping those people love their neighbors. It seems to contribute to groupthink (my group is good and yours is bad). And self-righteous justifications. And war.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:14 AM
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8. All gods are busy right now taking sides.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:18 AM
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9. please don't wish to be a believer
there's nothing noble in being one of them
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:26 AM
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13. IMO God if she exists doesn't get involved in human affairs. Supposedly
we ate fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:5)

We are intelligent enough to do what is right so evil is a personal problem.
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Gatchaman Donating Member (944 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:26 AM
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14. But the believers are all praying for the madness to continue
They want our fearless perfect leader, king george w bush the first, to escalate the violence to end-times proportions, thereby jump-starting the apocylapse and hastening their rapture to glorious heaven, where they will dwell in eternal happiness at the feet of little baby jesus.

Okay, the majority of believers probably aren't praying that way, but the majority of believers with influence and media presence seem to be. The chuches of America need to clean house even more than our govenment does.

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Joe Fields Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:27 AM
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15. There is a god. You choose to ignore him.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:46 AM
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20. Which side is God on?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:29 AM
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16. If you have even the slightest doubt about there being no God, pray anyway
It couldn't hurt.
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nancyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:34 AM
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17. Is God there?
If he is, he has apparently decided to ignore us all.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 11:33 AM
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24. Many Christians and Jews caution against second-guessing the Big Guy
Maybe what seems like abandonment to you has a higher purpose.

As an Agnostic, I have the ultimate cop-out: I just don't know. ;-)
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MathEducation Donating Member (60 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:36 AM
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18. The fool hath said in his heart,...
There is no God.


There were over 360 prophecies foretold about the coming Jewish Messiah - hundreds of years before Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Jesus fulfilled all 365 of these prophecies. Of these 360+ prophecies, there are 109 that only Jesus (Yeshua) could have fulfilled. See complete list of 365 Messianic Prophecies http://www.bibleprobe.com/365messianicprophecies.htm


Do you have any idea what the odds are for this to be accomplished???


George Heron, a French mathematician, calculated that the odds of one man fulfilling only 40 of those prophecies are 1 in 10 to the power of 157. That is a 1 followed by 157 zeros. Compare it to this; your odds on winning the state lottery are 14 followed by 6 zeros.

Another mathematician, Dr. Peter S. Ruckman, claims the odds of being fulfilled only 60 of them by the only person who claimed to be the Son of God, and who died on a "tree" on Calvary, and who rose the 3rd day are astronomical!... not just one in one trillion, but one out of ten to the 895th power. That is a one over a one followed by 895 zeros.


http://biblia.com/jesusbible/prophecies.htm



You willing to bet your soul against those odds??????



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michaelpush Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:59 AM
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22. It doesn't matter whether God exists
If God isn't helping, then it still means that WE ARE RESPONSIBLE! Besides, if you think about it, all the answers to our problems have already been given and exist everywhere for all to understand. The problem is, humankind is incapable of doing it because most still function on a primitive level. Humankind hasn't achieved the development level needed to overcome the primitive thinking and associated actions. It may happen eventually, but, we have a long way to go. When enough humans become enlightened and can be in positions of power, then we can make some progress, not enough yet, but, we need to keep working on it.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 11:55 AM
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25. Oh, jeez.
Your source is a crock o'shit. And kindly take your proselytizing elsewhere.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:04 PM
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26. Also, I think your first source is not only
a crock o'shit, but could be classified as a hate site.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:16 PM
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27. Oh, come on
This is just a list which stretches credibility - if you believe Jesus was born of a virgin, I'm sure you have no trouble believing the rest of it.
Those of us in the reality-based universe have great difficulty giving stuff like this credence.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 10:58 AM
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21. Man has corrupted "God" in his own image
not the other way around ...
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 11:09 AM
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23. what IS prayer? who is god? pray anyway... we do it all
the time- Don't we really?? When you see a child in the street and a car coming? What do you say as you run out there? When someone is very sick, and near death, what are the words, spoken or unspoken that run through you mind???

If the god of the bible is exactly 'who' 'god' really is, then prayer is more of an excercise in futility than anything else. Because supposedly 'it's all been pre-ordained.

I believe that there is GOD. I believe God is accessable to everyone. I believe no one will suffer eternal hell- nor should we wish that on anyone. The key to attaining peace, to accessing God- is in the simple lesson that Jesus taught- to honor others, as if they were YOU- no matter what- Gandhi taught it as well- Living this belief may cost one their phycsical life here on earth, but it does not keep the cycle of never-ending destruction, of an ten eyes- for an eye going.

You didn't waste your time praying for peace on earth every December- even with the men and thier machine guns, even with all the death and horror, and cruelty that enfolds us.

Fill your heart and mind with what you KNOW to be the way of peace- the path out of this hell on earth- What we meditate on is what motivates us- It is what we stand, and act on when it truly matters-.

Were Gandhi's last words "Oh, God?"-

Believe in something- and your belief will help make it happen.


peace,
blu

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ForrestGump Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-30-06 12:20 PM
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28. I bet He (She/It/Whatever) does, too
All lines are currently busy as a result of excessive call volume...
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