I do not want to hear one more word

[malaise]

of fugging regret from Israel, Rice or Bush. Stop the fugging slaughter of Lebanese citizens. STOP IT NOW

Human Rights Watch is condemning Israel big time on BBC.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. There is no justification

for what is Israel is doing to Lebanon at this point. None. Zero.

The killing must be stopped.

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[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Are you directing those comments to me?

I'm a cyber - shit-eating apologists?

[Totally Committed]

2. The killing needs to stop NOW.

Ceasefire must be declared.

TC

[MethuenProgressive]

4. "It's the victim's fault" - Isreali military spokesman

Just a few minutes ago on either CNN or MSNBC (I was channel surfing) a uniformed spokesman (first name Kevin?) said that the victims had been warned to leave, and shouldn't have allowed themselves to be used as human shields by the terrorists.

[QuestionAll...]

15. i hate that bullshit Katrina excuse.

but there are just enough backwash dumbasses to believe it enough and repeat it enough.

[MissWaverly]

23. How is a day old child supposed to leave

and people that did leave were bombed in their cars.

[itzamirakul]

29. That's the old Golda Meier excuse - blaming the victims...

She said something like:

"We can forgive you for killing our children but we will never forgive you for making us kill your children."

Sick and twisted logic.

[jonnyblitz]

35. she was a vile woman. nt

[Missy M]

5. Bush could stop Israel in a heartbeat so it is obvious he wants...

the death and destruction to continue. Funny when embryos become Lebanese or Iraqi children all bets are off for the "right to life".

[EFerrari]

6. I can't even watch those idiots on CNN and MSNBC

with their "reasonableness". I never do but thought maybe I could get closer to real time news. It's nauseating.

[JCMach1]

7. I will not vote for any Dem in the primary who supports this slaughter...

[EFerrari]

8. I wish I had any faith that a call in day with that message would

make a dent.

But I don't right now. :(

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[twiterpatted]

10. Tell it to the Lebanese people and politicians that allow, even

encourage the Hizbollah fighters to use the innocent children as human shield's. Save your anger for those that use the kids as a shield as they fire rockets, un-aimed into residential neighborhoods in Israel.

[malaise]

11. That has long been dismissed by Human Rights Watch

representatives in Qana. This is a War Crime, plain and simple.

[Porcupine]

12. One death does not excuse another; or five.

Israel is ultimately outnumbered by its neighbors. Israels survival will eventually depend upon their forbearance. They cannot depend upon the U.S. forever to arm them against their neighbors.

Already Israel is equated with the apartheid regimes of South Africa in the eyes of the world. They are rated worse by the people around them.

[QuestionAll...]

34. I notice 'twit 'is a sylable in your name...

appropriate with that response.

[Ms. Clio]

38. The Lebanese people and politicians do not "allow" anything

They do not have any control over Hezbollah. I am so sick of the damnable ignorance. Israel uses human shields, too.

[FILAM23]

13. FUG

Human Rights Watch, they say nothing when innicent Israel kids are killed

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[MethuenProgressive]

19. I encourage you to become better informed

http://www.hrw.org/doc/?t=mideast

Letter to Syrian President Bashar al-Asad on the Conflict in Lebanon
Human Rights Watch thus urges Syria to insist that Hezbollah cease deliberate and indiscriminate attacks against Israeli civilians; provide public assurances that it is not locating its combatants, or launching attacks, from or near civilian structures or areas; protect the safety and security of, and treat humanely, all captured combatants; undertake investigations to determine whether its forces have committed violations of international humanitarian law; and hold accountable any individuals found to be responsible for serious violations.

There's more examples at the site, if you're interested in knowing more about HRW.

[theHandpuppet]

31. People who bark out crap like that are not interested in truth

Just like those who keep bleating that Israelis have never used civilians as human shields when all evidence points to the contrary.

[madeline_con]

25. That's untrue. n/t

[rman]

26. HRW watches governments, official institutions of power,

institutions that one would not expect to engage in terrorist tactics.

HRW says nothing about terrorist violence because it's already obvious that it's criminal and there already are institutions dealing with it. Those institutions are however not supposed to violate the very laws and principals they are supposed to, and proclaim to, uphold.

[warrens]

14. Not just Human Rights Watch

France, Germany, the EU, the UN, Egypt (which was supporting Israel for a while), the Saudis...EVERYONE is condemning this fascist murdering.

[WinkyDink]

24. Well, Europe's record on Jews isn't so hot.

[rman]

27. How's that?

Perhaps you are confusing Nazi Germany with Europe?

If you go back far enough, no people's record on anything is particularly hot.

[QuestionAll...]

36. and ME!

and most of my close circle, we condemn!
and don't anyone tell ME my opinion is not important because I am not acronynm or have to formally Register My Feelings and Thoughts!

[Balbus]

17. Ironic isn't it, that Israel has NEVER heard one word of regret

from Hezbollah, Hamas or Palestinians for the slaughter of the Israeli citizens over the last 50 years or so...

[MethuenProgressive]

18. I am reminded of Saddam Hussain

When some people tried to kill him, he responded by destroying entire villages. He got away with it because at the time he was an ally of the U.S.

[SPKrazy]

21. It's Not Ironic

it's what terroristic bastards like Hamas and Hizbollah do, they want to kill Israeli civilians and inflict terror

Israelis haven't wanted that before.

I'm not sure what to think about the white phosphorous they've used

the building today was no doubt an accident

[Patchuli]

22. Love the sticker! Need it for my bumper!

Did you find that somewhere as a sticker or make it?

[SPKrazy]

32. I Got It From Someone On DU

can't remember who right now

[formercia]

20. I was listening to an Israeli Officer on TV

saying that for every Israeli killed, they would kill x number on the other side. It doesn't matter if it's 2 or 5 or 10 or 1000, when people view others as being less valuable than themselves, it's racism.

When I see an injured or dead child, it doesn't matter who they are, be it Israeli, Palestinian, lebanese or Iraqi, I see my own child laying there and how I would feel. Reprisal killings and collective punishment is wrong and you can call it by whatever name you want.Using cluster weapons on civilian targets is wrong. Bombing civilian infrastructure that doesn't directly support the enemy is wrong.

Most Israelis don't support this action just as we don't support our government's policy in the Middle East. To remain silent is wrong. If I offend someone's sensibilities, it's tough shit.

[malaise]

28. Nice post

We know that lots of Israelis oppose this madness. Lots of Americans also oppose Bush.
sp.

[bloom]

33. "Most Israelis don't support this action"

You may be right - but that's not what the polls they announce on Israeli TV say. They are saying 80-90% support it.



Or this poll at Ha'aretz - from a week ago:

What should Israel do now?

Invade with ground forces - 42%

Continue with the air strikes - 15%

Start negotiating for cease fire - 19%

Stop the attacks unilaterally - 25%


Votes: 3774



http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerMain.jhtml

[formercia]

39. 3774 Israelis vote in the poll

the rest lined their bird cages with it.

Not to demean your opinion, but it is a very small sampling.

[bloom]

40. What statistics are you using

where your conclusion is that most Israelis are against it? Wishful thinking?

[formercia]

41. Perhaps it's wishful thinking on my part

but I would like to think the vast majority of the Israeli people are decent folk who would go to war as a last resort, not a fulfillment of every evil stereotype that has been heaped upon them over the years.

[bloom]

42. Polls from yahoo story:

"A poll published Tuesday in Israel's Maariv newspaper showed 80 percent of respondents support the military's conduct during the offensive, while 74 percent said Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and his government were doing a great job. The poll of 500 adults had a margin of error of 4.4 percentage points."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060801/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_popular_war


I wish you were right too.

What I think it is - is people who are victims of a propaganda campaign where they are led to believe that they (and Israel) are such victims - just like much of America was with Gulf II.

While I think that Israel is more vulnerable than the US - I also think that they are not as badly off as they like to think. Or that they are as good (or fair) to the Palestinians as they like to think.

[Xenotime]

37. The people of Lebanon are suffering at the whim of oppressive countries.

Only a cease fire and negotiation will bring peace.