Isn't Mel Gibson's DUI typical of the fact that these ultra pius Repugs

[saracat]

are above the law? Jimimny Christmas, none of them have to obey the laws. Rush with drugs, Bennett and gambling! Mel was speeding too, how does that effect "Pro-Life' if he were to kill someone while speeding drunkenly? What a hypocrite! Yet he has a fit if a woman is allowed to abort a fetus! We have another Ahole to add to the crime spree list! Perhaps Mel will now ask for forgiveness at his own church!

[Swamp Rat]

1. I hope he was arrested by a female police officer

:D

[MuseRider]

5. A feminist female

lesbian cop, how perfect would that be?

[saracat]

38. Yeesssss!

[proud patriot]

66. LOL

:rofl: that would have been perfect

[AndyA]

2. I couldn't put it any better. They are all hypocrites! Do as I say, not

as I do because I'm better than you, and I don't have to live up to the same standards as the rest.

NAZI PIGS. All of them.

[sgxnk]

11. really?

where has he said that?

just like patrick kennedy (who i greatly respect took responsibility for his DUI) why don't u wait to see if gibson takes responsibility for his

all sorts of people, of all political persuasions get arrested for DUI

welcome to the real world, where people are fallible

i have never heard gibson say he was BETTER than you.

do you have a cite, or are you just fuming?

[kestrel91316]

14. My, we seem to be spending a lot of time defending RW nonsense,

for a member of DU.

You enjoy your little stay, now.

[sgxnk]

18. there we go again

the "agenda" slam

i respect mel gibson

i disagree with many of his positions

but i see no reason to slag him for a frigging dui

it's called respect for people

try it some time

[saracat]

39. But he has NO respect for me! Why should I respect him? Tell me why?

Do you have an answer? I should respect a man who want to deprive me of basic human rights? For what?

[Milspec]

68. Really and My

While I tend to agree with the gist of (this) sgxnk post, 450 of them since july 18th is allot. I've been here a long time and don't have that many.

[AndyA]

15. I said THEY - as in general, "all of them".

No where did I say anything about Gibson.

And I'm very familiar with the real world, I live there everyday.

READ before attacking.

[sgxnk]

19. not attacking

just playful jousting :)

[AndyA]

21. My apologies - I tend to be a little too much on edge these days.

Too much going on to absorb. ;)

[sgxnk]

22. my apologies too

i tend to sound snarky quite often

it's part of my charm :)

[QuestionAll...]

25. have you just called my dead parents Nazi's and hypocrits?

I certainly hope I misunderstood you. criminey.

[brentspeak]

31. Gibson is not, repeat, NOT, a Republican Bush-bot

He might very well even be a Democrat, for all you know.

[Ezlivin]

3. The louder they preach the more they have to hide

Humility and power do not play well together.

[blm]

67. Worse for Gibson - he's an alcoholic who's fallen off the wagon for about

the 20th time.

[uppityperson]

4. no, it shows that they break the law like nonultrapiusrepugs do

and they get caught. Shows they are human.

[sgxnk]

10. exactly

see: patrick kennedy

see: bush

see: bobbe bridge (WA state supreme court justice)

etc.

i know cops who have been arrested for DUI

a prosecutor

firefighters

etc.

it's not some kind of moral indictment for pete's sake

it's a crime, and he'll be dealt with just like the others. and life goes on

[uppityperson]

12. self delete

it does show that he is 50 though.

[Kurovski]

6. Can cognitive dissonance lead one to drink?

Might-could be so.

[trixie]

7. He makes me sick

He is soooo above everyone and yet cheated on his wife and is an all around ahole.

:puke:

[kestrel91316]

16. Oh, do tell.................I thought he was an ultra-fundie catholic with

a flawlessly happy marriage and a very happy horde of, what, 8 or 9 kids?????

You mean he's a jerk who thinks with his little head instead of his big head, just like so many others?

[Raine]

57. Me too

cause besides being an adulterer drunk drivers are some of the lowest scum of the Earth.:puke:

[sgxnk]

8. it's not typical of anything - typical absurdity

it's a frigging DUI

DUI arrests run the gamut.

i know cops who have been arrested for DUI

a frigging WA state supreme court justice was arrested not too long ago for DUI

so was patrick kennedy

who CARES?

it's a very common crime

he is no more a hypocrite than patrick kennedy, or chief justice bobbe bridges

[salinen]

9. That does it

now he's ready for public office in Utah.

[UTUSN]

13. He's said nasties about Shrub & helped the underclass in Mexico eom n/t

[Czolgosz]

17. I know Gibson is a fundamentalist, but are we sure he's a Republican?

He is working on a new film called Apocalypto, and it's about the barbaric rulers of the Mayan civilization, and in a recent interview Mel Gibson said "the fear-mongering we depict in the film reminds me of President Bush and his guys."

He may be pious but I'm not so sure he's a Republican.

[sgxnk]

26. traditionalist

mel gibson is a bit of a traditionalist, and definitely an iconoclast

i am not sure if he is a fundamentalist

some would say being a fundamentalist, and being a catholic are mutually exclusive

fwiw

mel is definitely a Vatican ONE kind of guy though


whether or not he tends to vote republican, or is a republican doesn't mean he couldn't also be a bush critic

lots of bush critics among republicans

just like there are lots of clinton critics among democrats

[VOX]

20. Remember John Bircher John Schmitz from Orange County, CA?

I was reading in QuettaKid's outstanding post on the Blackwater mercenaries here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1756581

and reading about Blackwater's top brass, which includes John Schmitz's son, Joseph. His father, the ultra-right-winger John Schmitz who died in 2001, had two kids with a German mistress. (Party of family values, anyone?) :grr: Google "John Schmitz" to see what a raving Nazi lunatic he was, should you be unfamiliar with his historic insanity. His daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, is one of the rash of teachers who've had sex with their underage pupils. It's absolutely insane.

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=108028&ran=144012
<snip>
JOSEPH SCHMITZ, 49, became chief operating officer and general counsel of the Prince Group in September 2005 after a stint as inspector general at the Defense Department.

<snip>

John Schmitz’s political career ended with the revelation that he had a mistress who bore two of his children. He then moved to Washington, where he bought a house once owned by Sen. Joseph McCarthy.

Joseph Schmitz’s sister, Mary Kay LeTourneau, also became embroiled in a scandal. As a married teacher in Washington state, she went to prison after being convicted of having a sexual relationship with a 13-year-old student with whom she ultimately had two children. The two have since married.

[brook]

23. How is he above the law?

You are always so quick to jump in and smear Gibson. One can almost smell your excitement. It's amusing.

He's not a Repuglican, btw.

[zonkers]

28. I am puzzled too. Personally I dont like Gibby but he's definitely not

a Republican.

[saracat]

41. You don't know that. He is obviously not a Dem.He just doesn't like the

war. Big Whoop. He supports Bush on every other issue.

[saracat]

32. Always so quick? I have never posted about him before!

Isn't it against the law to speed and drive drunk or am I mistaken.When you do those things haven't you chosen to believe the law doesn't apply to you, or is it different for Mel? How do you know he isn't a Repig? Because he occasionally saya anti Bush remarks? So do a lot of Repugs. Mel wants to take away my rights and I have zero respect for him.

[brook]

48. Could you document

this: Mel wants to take away my rights please? Thanks in advance.

[saracat]

53. Mel is anti-choice. I am a woman .He doesn't think that I have a right to

my own reproductive decisions. He want's Roe overturned and abortion devlared illegal.He also is against birth control. I think that is sufficient.Google him if you don't believe me. He is also against gay rights.

[brook]

62. I give up.

Your anger is as stunning as your reasoning.

[saracat]

70. Wow ! Aren't you the snarky one? Perhaps you agree with Mr. Gibson and

are an anti-choice female? I am so sorry that you were unable to follow my convoluted logic regarding Mel's stunning ability to instruct others to preserve what he interpets to be "life' while endangering known life himself but maybe next time you'll get it.

[sgxnk]

74. for pete's sake

gibson is as aware as anybody, that he is a human being, with faults, who makes mistakes

apparently, there is this meme i see. if any religious person does something wrong, then their whole religious outlook, and worthiness as a human being, is now suspect

here's a little clue. being religious (or not) does not mean one is perfect

mel (apparently) made a mistake and committed a crime. big whoop

i don't condemn him, or think him hypocritical, any more than i do for patrick kennedy

i have more than one friend killed by drunk drivers. i HATE drunk driving. i am not trying to minimize it

but i also know that it is a common offense (unfortunately), that cuts across class, gender, religion, and nearly every other line

[saracat]

76. I am saying he is a hypocrite. His arrest record as has been discussed

elsewhere on DU proves it. He is anti-Semitic, as his comments to the arresting officers attest and an admitted misogynist. His comments to the female sergeant were disgusting.Yes, in fact, that kind of behavior makes your claim to be a "religious" person suspect. I jumped on this because it is part of the big picture with Gibson, and as re;his comments regarding Micheal J. Fox and gays , and women are all documented and public, I find him a disgusting human being and was glad for his comeuppance. That is all.I find it unfathomable that you would rise to the defense of such a person.

[brook]

75. Not content to paint

Gibson with your broad brush of assumptions, you aim at me. Your anger takes you everywhere.

Shall I go house to house and when I encounter a person who believes abortion is a sin, tattoo a scarlet "A" to their forehead? Shall I burn them all at the stake? Would that assuage your rage?

Or would it suffice to work diligently (beyond the keyboard) to insure candidates who will not overturn Roe vs Wade are elected -while allowing private citizens to embrace their own faith & beliefs?

The questions, of course, are rhetorical.

[saracat]

77. My husband is a pro-choice candidate for state office

and I am an officer of my state party. I am doing more than my share, are you? And if more women were angry, Roe would not be in danger.

[U4ikLefty]

65. No, he is BELOW the law...see post #64. n/t

[QuestionAll...]

24. wait a minute - my parents were devote Catholics

and partied it up sometime. and, o hell, did a sin or three of other kinds along the way through their lives.

sheeeeesh.
please don't insult my dead parents, thankyouverymuch!

[saracat]

37. Yeah , well so were mine and I was raised as a Catholic.

I went to Catholic Schools. Mel isn't a Catholic. He started his own Church because the Catholic Church was too progressive for him! That is how backward he is. Please don't slander Catholics by including Mel!

[QuestionAll...]

43. how progressive can a church be that still denies women equal rights?

good lord.
that's one of the reasons I decided to ditch that stupid club when I left the home nest.

It was my choice to do so and I was free to, thankfully.
But my folks had their reasons to stick to their beliefs and I will not let anyone here get away with calling them nazi's or other ugly names.

[saracat]

44. Me too! And the fact that Mel thinks the Church is "too liberal" says it

all! Imagine what his Church is like.His statements on Gay Rights have been disgusting too. Do you know he actually said the mother of his children is going to hell as she doesn't ascribe to his religion?

[QuestionAll...]

45. I can understand your anger with Mel

but he doesn't have a whit to do with my daily life or anyone I hold dear and I'm just kinda full up with a long list of things to worry about, and Mel just ain't one of them.

[saracat]

46. He doesn't me either except when he spouts off! I was just

venting, and thrilled he was arrested for something! Vindictive but I enjoyed his discomfort. I guess I am not very nice but the neither is he! Cheers.

[brook]

49. Like my mother....

Mel prefers to hear the Mass in Latin. How do you like yours?

[saracat]

54. It is a bit more than a Latin Mass for Mel. He doesn't believe in Women's

Rights. He doesn't believe in birth control and he want's choice made illegal.He thinks the Catholic Church is too liberal and doesn't support gay rights. What is to like about him? That is far more consevative than preferring a latin Mass. As far as how I like the mass I don't . I gave up the Chrch years ago.I realized there was no place for a woman in in I would not be a second class congregant.

[Gabi Hayes]

27. edit header to reflect reading the whole thread:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/03/18/1079199319258.html

[saracat]

36. Big deal. He is against the war but he hates people.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

29. Awwww, I LOVE Mel! Sorry To Hear He Just Got Busted For A DUI.

I still love him, but lord knows he shouldn't have been drivin like that.

[saracat]

33. I hope he goes to jail and is treated like the women he despises! lol!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

51. Well That's A Bit Irrationally Harsh. He'll Get The Standard Loss Of

license and a fine. Not even the slightest chance for jail.

[saracat]

52. Too bad! Hypocrites deserve a lesson. I really dislike this type of perso

And seriously, I know he will pay a very small price for this.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

63. Well, To Each Their Own. One Of My Favorite Actors Though And I Wish Him

the best.

[brentspeak]

30. Gibson is not some mindless Bushbot

If anything, he's pretty much center-left, and he's against the Iraq War, even praising Michael Moore's film. On issues like abortion and stem cell research he's extremely conservative, but that doesn't make him a hypocritical Republican. For all you know, Gibson a Democrat, not a Republican.

Comparing him with Rush and Bennett makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[saracat]

35. Sorry, if you don't support human rights or reproductive rights

I don't think you should label yourself a Dem and Gibson never has. He is just a pig as far as I am concerned. He has zero respect for women and doesn't believe in equality for all persons.What is to admire about such a person? Futhermore he believes that if you don't think his way, you are going to hell. Nice guy.

[SmokingJacket]

34. It's like hypocrisy is in the job description.

"Can you say one thing and do another? Then the Republican party WANTS YOU!"

[Cleita]

40. Delete.

Duplicate

[Cleita]

42. Catholics don't have a problem with alcohol like fundie

protestants do. I remember the priests being pretty well oiled back when I went to parochial school. I had a friend who became a nun but she joined an order that was founded in Germany because they got beer with their meals. :-)

[RB TexLa]

47. Not really, it's just a DWI n/t

[titoresque]

50. Yeah and innocent people "just" die. n/t

[saracat]

55. Well really, its jus a embroyonic stem cell! But he can't let that be used

because he is "Pro-Life" and that is "potential life" but he has the potential to kill someone who is actually born while he drives drunk ! Yeah, no hypocrisy there!

[Tellurian]

61. It's not potential life until it's fertilized..

Is Mel gonna play Johnny Appleseed and have his way
with all the embryos scheduled for extinction? hmmmm

[Raine]

58. "just" ???

my boy friend's sister was killed by a DWUI, it's nothing to minimize. :mad:

[RB TexLa]

69. Not minimizing DWI, it was an answer to the OP's question

"Isn't Mel Gibson's DUI typical of the fact that these ultra pius Repugs are above the law?"

I said it wasn't it was just a crime.

[Raine]

73. Ops

sorry to jump on you. :blush:

[texasleo]

56. people who defend Islam....

oh, the irony.

[saracat]

59. Whaat? I don't get it?

[TMA1]

60. A bit more complicated than you make it.

Hmm, I know what you mean concerning those who hold to extremely right-wing views, and how those that follow these kinds of views can come off sometimes as hypocrites. I think it is a bit too judgemental to crush someone verbally for failing to live up to their own standards. Often repression can lead to a glut of held back lusts. Usually when we set the moral/ethical/cultural standard too high, we will fail to reach that standard if we are not careful. There is a lot of delusion carried with this kind of moral elitism, and so we tend to look more at the moral/ethical speck in someone else's eye rather than the huge log in our own eye. Obviously when people do these kinds of things, we feel that they have it coming to them. To me though, it makes me sad, and often I find that this mutated protestant culture has lost touch with what it's own values mean, becoming mere dogma and not something to live by in all parts of life. I

In many ways I see this kind of post as something dangerously similar to the moral thumping that is seen by many right wing types. It is this kind of reaction to illogical actions never solves anything.

that is just my opinion though.

Cheers: Titus

[Bluebear]

72. That "log from you own eye" schtick gets brought up by Republicans a LOT

whenever they seem to be caught in something. Just saying.

[U4ikLefty]

64. Isn't Mel a Munchkin???

Sorry, but I couldn't resist the Oopma-Loompa humor. I will eventually regret my decision to post this...but not right now!!!

[survivor999]

71. It all makes sense

All Mel did was drink too much Blood of Jesus. Nothing wrong with that :)