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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:07 PM
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Reagan conservative lashes out at 'hijackers of the conservative movement'
Edited on Fri Jul-28-06 01:08 PM by kpete
Exclusive: Reagan conservative lashes out at 'hijackers of the conservative movement'

John Byrne
Published: Friday July 28, 2006

He didn’t support invading Iraq. He says national security decisions are too often made for political gain. And he maintains that Tom DeLay used “legal plunder” for the “immoral purpose of holding onto power.”

A Democrat? No – His name is Richard Viguerie, a conservative icon and key architect of Ronald Reagan’s 1980 victory. Known to many as the godfather of direct-mail campaign fundraising, his four-decade career has succored scores of conservative candidates and grassroots causes.

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Viguerie: The idea that Giuliani is a serious candidate for a Republican nomination is not a serious idea. It would destroy the Republican Party. He’s a serial adulterer, he doesn’t agree with Republicans on virtually anything... He doesn’t agree with the Republicans on the second amendment.

McCain is interesting. He’s a serious candidate. McCain is like a political broken clock. He’s right a couple of times now and then. Right on spending primarily, and right on other issues. But he has a real problem with conservatives because conservatives don’t see him as a conservative.


more at:
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Exclusive_Reagan_conservative_lashes_out_at_0728.html
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:08 PM
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1. The Republicans are not conservatives...
they are fascists.

Poor old Reagan must be rolling over in his grave, what with his own party transforming the USA into the USSA.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:50 PM
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6. You kidding me? Reagan set this nightmare up.
Had he had the Neocon robots in position the way Bush does now, he would have gone for the same brass ring. He set the stage.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:35 PM
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7. sorry, i have to disagree with you but he wasn`t a neocon
ronny was a democrat that joined the republican party. he would be appalled by what george bush and his thugs have done to our nation. ronny was a west coast republican and had no use for the east coast republicans such as george the first.george undercut everything ronny wanted to do in lebanon
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:47 PM
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9. You are completely right...listen...
Ronald Reagan was a good man. However, as he became President the rise of neo-conservatism came about. Little did he that many neo-cons were in his administration, and in fact they are primarily responsible for Iran-Contra and many other controversial decisions.

To some degree, I don't even believe President Bush is the bad guy, he is merely floated out there as a figurehead to allay the concerns that normal people have about this administration. Much in the same way that Reagan's people did. Reagan was a real conservative and could explain it, old Georgie boy is too dim to really understand anything talks about on an ideological level.

While I believe that our ideology does have conflicts with conservatism, both ideologies are wholly American. The ideology of these neo-cons is something that looks like it came out of the USSR or Nazi Germany.

That is why we all seem to agree so much with the old-fashioned conservatives; simply because both of the ideologies are based upon a few similar concepts.

The fundamental concept behind neo-conservatism is so alien to our nation, it is mutually unacceptable to conservatives and liberals.

Hopefully, some day we will get back to the good old days when the disagreements weren't about things like whether we believe in the fourth amendment or not.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:22 AM
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17. Ronny was a thug who destroyed the labor movement, invaded
countries, and spent a drunken sailor. He was not conservative, but more like NEO CON!
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:18 PM
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2. They should all be angry
And start taking their party back. I'd give anything to have an old-school Republican in office right now instead of the Idiot in Chief. Hell, I'd take his evil father!
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BuhByeChimp Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:19 PM
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3. I agree with him. N/T
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:28 AM
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18. Does that include...
1) The FMA is a good thing?
2) The SCOTUS appointments were good?
3) Democrats want less freedom?

All of that is in the article.

I do know that doesn't include the Iraq war, since he's against it and you're for it.
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The Deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:20 PM
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4. Nope
Reagan much preferred bombing Libya to punish them for a Syrian backed terrorist attack. Or invading Grenada to stop construction of an airport runway by Cubans (oops - the project was actually started with USAID money!) Or placing US Marines right in the middle of Beirut without adequate security (the greatest loss of military personnel since Vietnam and until Iraq Part Two.)
It really makes my ass tired to see these dipshits blather on about St. Ronnie Raygun - he was a clueless old geezer run by strings attached to Schultz, Casey, Baker, Cheney & Rumsfeld. As long as Nancy made him do as he was told "The Boys" let him keep pretending to be President. Sickening.
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 01:22 PM
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5. bull crap, you boys all sat around with your thumbs up your arse while
this cancer overtook your party. Now that you see the backlash coming, you're trying to sidestep the incoming bullet and let your crazier half take the heat. Nu uh, ain't gonna freaking happen. You all sat idly by while they took your party off the rails. Now you have to suffer the consequences and the BushRepublicans are firmly tied around your necks like an anchor.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:42 PM
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8. You reap what you sow, Viguerie...
You're one of the guys who encouraged Falwell to form the Moral Majority, who pushed for Evangelicals to get up in arms about abortion (which they previously regarded as a "Catholic" issue), you're the direct-mailing pioneer who developed the "make their hair stand on end" fundraising letter, who put "pressing buttons" above concensus and the common good...

Go read Ozymandias again, Rich: "Behold ye mighty and despair!"
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 02:47 PM
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10. Hey, Viguerie, you fool
You and your pals are the ones that started this madness. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, any of these names ring a bell? You and your ilk are the ones who hijacked the Republican party and used it for your own twisted, greedy ends. You want somebody to blame pal, look in the mirror.

Typical GD neo-con, looking to put the blame any place but where it belongs, with himself:grr:
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:56 PM
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11. What to Expect from the Conservative Agenda


Listen to this story... by Renée Montagne


The Conservative Agenda

Some of Richard Viguerie's predictions for the second Bush term:

* Conservative judicial appointments
* A ban on federal funding for stem-cell research
* A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage
* School vouchers
* More tax cuts
* Private accounts as part of Social Security
* Oil exploration in Alaska, to ease dependence on foreign oil




Morning Edition, November 10, 2004 · More conservative federal judges, a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage and boosting oil exploration in Alaska top the agenda for President Bush's second term, according to a conservative author who pioneered political direct mail four decades ago.

NPR's Renee Montagne speaks to Richard Viguerie, co-author of America's Right Turn: How Conservatives Used New and Alternative Media to Take Power, about the changes the "values voters" who helped propel the president to victory expect to see in the next four years.

"Probably, No. 1 is judicial appointments," Viguerie says. "Many problems that we experience as a country have come about because we've had unelected judges legislating from the bench. And that needs to be corrected... We're very excited about that possibility of turning the judiciary in a more conservative direction."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4162182


Did he write the playbook or what?

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smokey nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:59 PM
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14. Thanks for posting this.....
He's just a rat abandoning a sinking ship.
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smacky44 Donating Member (275 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:58 PM
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12. Yeah, yeah, but they all will vote for another neocon anyway.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:58 PM
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13. This is all part of the spin- ie. Bush et al were not 'true conservatives'
when in fact, they are the culmination of 'conservative' ideology.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 04:27 PM
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15. Trying to Distance Yourselves
from yourselves? How Orwellian.....
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:16 AM
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16. Riddle me this:
"Viguerie was among the block of conservatives who perceived Bush’s statement in support of the federal marriage amendment -- which would define marriage as being between one man and one woman – as tepid. He believes if Bush stood fast to conservative principles his approval rating would climb out of the mid-thirties."

So, IS he in favor of a small government or not, anyway?

If you ask me, what he calls the "true" conservatives are only somewhat less evil. And that's still a lot of evil.
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-29-06 07:37 AM
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19. The reinventing of Ronald Reagan continues.............
I can't believe the posts on here defending him.
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