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BILL53 (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 10:17 AM Original message |
The nasty violence inherent in children |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
1. Children aren't inherently violent |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 10:22 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. yep...children learn that behavior from their parents |
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abluelady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. I Totally Disagree-- to a Point |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. genetics plays a large factor, to be sure |
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Road Scholar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
23. I grew up in violence and had to consciously "unlearn" it . |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 10:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. you have a way too warm, fuzzy view of human nature |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 10:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. You don't think these kids learn this behavior from their parents? |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 10:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. nurture can shape things around the edges |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. That wasn't "mother" bashing |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. i have 5 kids |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:17 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. When you have little girls that are 8-10 years old |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:25 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. claptrap. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:34 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Your opinion |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. think about it for a while. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
44. You're in the wrong, here, mopinko. |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. She's not in the wrong at all, too much knee-jerk blaming of parents is |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #44 |
69. i'm not forcing anything on anyone |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #22 |
56. but the worst parents give up and don't exercise any control |
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Thirtieschild (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
59. you're right on |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. the complexity of genetic behavior. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. "It's not nature OR nurture... |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. your kids must be young. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. I am speaking not based on my experience as a mother but |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. i do not mean to say that |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. I understand where you are coming from. You might find this of interest. |
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Bluerthanblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
53. forgive me for personalizing this Mopinko- |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 04:09 PM Response to Reply #20 |
68. Mopinko, you're right in a way, but you're missing one important point. |
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Bellamia (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
21. Bet good money? |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
75. Not necessarily. |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 10:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Agreed. Children are brutish and selfish, till taught |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:30 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. humans are brutish and selfish |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. Agreed. nt. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
30. Humans are self interested, which is not the same as brutish or |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:33 AM Response to Reply #4 |
17. I don't think the other extreme (as you paint it) is correct either. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
27. Baloney. We are self interested at our core. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. see # 28, but |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Violence has served, as has compassion, as has cooperation. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. they were not the subject of the discussion |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:01 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Don't blame the topic on your choice to ignore the rest of the range |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
31. Almost everyone in prison for violence was a victim early in life |
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spuddonna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
33. I think we underestimate the concept of 'mob thinking' in cases like this |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. ok, this is a very useful behavior. |
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spuddonna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #36 |
42. Oh, I agree, but without the balance of intelligence and reason... |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
52. Mob rule is a scary thing |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
50. Human beings are inherently violent. nt |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
66. No, HUMANS are inherently violent. |
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atommom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
2. Good piece! It sounds like a good program. nt |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
10. More children need handguns... clearly |
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CornField (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
19. Here |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
26. 10 year old kids are FAR from just what's "inherent". |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:54 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. phylogeny recapitulates ontogeny |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:00 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Don't toss out amateurish evolution bumper stickers, please. |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
38. My take: There are only Love and Fear. |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. I like that idea! nt |
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Akoto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:00 PM Response to Original message |
40. My own experience with this issue. |
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spuddonna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:14 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. I feel for you... |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. Post #47 my daughter experienced similar problems |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
43. Humans are instinctual creatures, society is a learned behavior. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:20 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Society is just our insincts codified. |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Society is an invention, a technology, just like physical artifacts |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Society is OUR invention - hence it is human nature codified. |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 02:31 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Yes and no. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I think you've drawn a false distinction between what is native and |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Not simply development, expansion. |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Just to throw some irony into it, |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
47. MY daughter was bullied badly in a UAE school here last year |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
61. Everyone on this thread |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 03:29 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Richard Rhodes is not a working sociologist or a criminologist. |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. ad hominem and appeal-to-authority noted. |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Appeal to authority is also known as "science," |
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Z_I_Peevey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 04:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. The theory is Lonnie Athens'. |
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Z_I_Peevey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 03:52 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. I read this book. |
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patcox2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. Its the difference between "but for" cause and proximate cause. |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 04:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. that's just nuts. |
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Patiod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jan-18-06 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
62. My friend used to clean houses to earn tuition money |
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