They can't maintain the lie anymore.

[deminks]

I try to post this quote every month or so.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels.

We see the consequences of their lies - the needless death and destruction, the needless spying, the needless waste, the needless abandonment. They cannot maintain the lie anymore. Show the consequences to our family, to our friends, to our neighbors. Let them see.

The only thing the liar is afraid of is the truth.

[Canuckistanian]

1. Wow, that's the first time I've read the entire quote

Usually , you just hear the first sentence.

Very powerful.

Thanks.

[firefox]

2. As in "Marijuana is a dangerous and addictive drug." nt

[Mme. Defarge]

3. "The only thing the liar is afraid of is the truth."

If only this were true. Big, big lies seem to have the effect of making the truth irrelevant. The response is to just keep repeating the lie(s) and taking the stance of "whaddya gonna do about it" if anyone challenges.

[glitch]

6. Sure, up until the night they gather in the bunker with their pistols. nt

[PassingFair]

4. Is this from a memoir, Deminks?

Was he writing in hindsight. Is he calling the Nazi regime a lie?

Was he explaining what happened, or speaking in real time against HIS enemies?

I am getting the reputation as something of a "chicken little", as they are somehow managing to prop up the stock market, and MOST people are still paying their bills and buying crap.

They are able to propagate the lies, because people WILL NOT SEE the problems until they ACTUALLY happen to THEM. THEMSELVES. Not neighbors, not family. It has to be THEIR checkbooks that are empty before they question what has happened to the middle and lower classes during this regime.

:puke:

[deminks]

7. According to wiki - it is the most widely used quote

attributed to Goebbels, but uncited. The original document source is unknown. I use the quote to show that the lie cannot be maintained forever. More on the Big Lie technique:

http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Big_Lie

[sojourner]

5. hey cool! thanks for posting beyond the first sentence - never saw before!

[Beam Me Up]

8. The events of 9/11 are the cornerstone of the PNAC/neoconservative fraud

It was necessary to install a fraudulent pResident in 2000 and keep him in office for a second term but the cornerstone of the foundation of the new fascism -- with far reaching implications for both domestic and foreign policy -- is the evens of 9/11. Even now, when called to explain their motives, the refrain is always "America was attacked by terrorists on 9/11." It is used to justify their every circumnavigation of the Constitution.

To this I reply:

Terrorism in the modern era is the means by which oligarchies wage secret wars against the people which it would be politically impossible to wage openly.

Webster Griffin Tarpley, 9/11 Synthetic Terror; Made in the USA, PP 60.

It's not that there are no terrorists, there are, but the question always is, WHO IS BEHIND THEM. Who benefits from their actions? So long as terrorism can be used to drive policy--whether here or in any nation--terrorism will exist. Why? Because, for a few, WAR IS PROFITIABLE. If we want a different and better world, we have to bring an end to war profiteering.

[deminks]

10. Who is behind them? That is the 2 trillion dollar question

of the day. When the truth is clear, I believe we can end the war profiteering. We know already that We have sold weapons of mass destruction to both Iraq and Iran in the past. We continue to sell weapons to both India and Pakistan. Just two small examples. Terrorism may indeed be one of the Big Lies.

[Beam Me Up]

13. WE (the people of the United States) need to begin separating ourselves

from the FORCES OF INFLUENCE that have used OUR government for their own aims. We are used to saying "We have sold weapons of mass destruction ..." which, though not false, is not completely true. I didn't. You didn't. Most of the people in this country didn't. For the most part for a very long time most of us were simply oblivious to what these people who claim to "represent" us were doing. Now, however, despite the corporate owned media's refusal to truly educate WE THE PEOPLE, we are educating one another, one by one. Now we see what is really going on--and if we look closely enough what we'll see is that WE are an OCCUPIED nation--not unlike Iraq. Yes, we have a Constitution and we have elections and laws, and all that goes to govern US. But when it comes right down to it, how much control do WE actually have over those who purport to represent our interests? Especially now when we no longer can be certain that our votes are tallied as they were intended. But, even if we could be certain of those tallies, there still remains the questions of election finance AND the way various issues and candidates are FRAMED via the corporate owned media.

These are very very serious issues that need to be re-framed in the light of a more enlightened body politic. Terrorism is, indeed, ONE of the big lies. I see even my beloved President (Al Gore) still gives voice to this lie as a 'genuine threat' to our national security. Yet, as I see it, it isn't terrorism per cet, but the way these bogymen are USED, that is the genuine threat to our nation. Does Al not know this? Hard for me to believe that he doesn't--but if he doesn't he needs to get educated and fast. If he's going to make statements like this:

An executive who arrogates to himself the power to ignore the legitimate legislative directives of the Congress or to act free of the check of the judiciary becomes the central threat that the Founders sought to nullify in the Constitution - an all-powerful executive too reminiscent of the King from whom they had broken free. In the words of James Madison, "the accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few, or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny."

If he is going to 'call us to arms' to save our Constitution, then he'd better be ready to take this all the way down the rabbit hole.

B M U

[SixStrings]

16. My sentiments exactly - thank you.

As long as people don't see a problem with having the very people and corporations who profit from war, making the decisions to got to war - nothing will change.

[Pacifist Patriot]

9. Be afraid Bush et al. Be very afraid.

[SupplyConcerns]

11. And the only one afraid of the truth

is a liar.

[wiggs]

12. Another scary quote that ties B*sh to your quote

From Ron Suskind

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will - we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

From an interesting Truthout article from before 2004 elections: www.truthout.org/docs_04/101704A.shtml

[deminks]

15. I remember that article. I will, one day, like to know who that

presidential aide was. I have my guess. They were studious in the ways of the Reich, those Young Republicans. Were they not?

[lpbk2713]

14. This was the rethugs main thrust during the Y2K & 2004 campaigns

They knowingly spewed lies, exaggerations and distortions in their campaigns. They had no shame. If they were caught in a lie they would just gloss over it and hurry on to another lie.

Limbaugh and his clones keep up the same theme to this day.