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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:09 AM
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Lou Dobbs' transformation is complete!
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Dobbs: Not so smart when it comes to the Middle East

By Lou Dobbs
CNN
Wednesday, July 19, 2006; Posted: 9:53 a.m. EDT (13:53 GMT)

NEW YORK (CNN) -- "We Americans like to think we're a pretty smart people, even when evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. And nowhere is that evidence more overwhelming than in the Middle East. History in the Middle East is everything, and we Americans seem to learn nothing from it.

................

"As our airwaves fill with images and sounds of exploding Hezbollah rockets and Israeli bombs, this seven-day conflict has completely displaced from our view another war in which 10 Americans and more than 300 Iraqis have died during the same week. And it is a conflict now of more than three years duration that has claimed almost 15,000 lives so far this year alone.

An estimated 50,000 Iraqis and more than 2,500 American troops have been killed since the insurgency began in March of 2003, which by some estimates is more than the number of dead on both sides of the Arab-Israeli conflict over the past 58 years of wars and intifadas.

Yet we have seen no rescue ships moving up the Euphrates for Iraqis who are dying in their streets, markets and mosques each day. French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin has not leaped to Baghdad as he did Beirut. And there are no meetings of the Arab League, and no U.S. diplomacy with Egypt, Syria and Jordan directed at ending the Iraqi conflict.

In the Middle East, where is our sense of proportion? Where is our sense of perspective? Where is our sense of decency? And, finally, just how smart are we?"


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more: http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/18/dobbs.july19/index.html
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:15 AM
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1. Dumb, Lou. How smart are we? Collectively: Dumb. Deadly Dumb. (n/t)
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:15 AM
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2. Where is our sense of decency?
That sounds familiar.
:applause:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:16 AM
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3. Speak for yourself, Lou
"Just how smart are WE?"

Put it this way: some of us see the Middle East situation playing out exactly as we forecast, oh, three years ago. How are your predictions doing?
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Singular73 Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:19 AM
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4. Dobbs and Cafferty must have had an intervention by Reality at some point.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:23 AM
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5. the only tv i try to catch everyday
is cafferty. who'd a thunk it?!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:23 AM
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6. But last week the Mexican guy busing my table was much more important...
Edited on Wed Jul-19-06 10:36 AM by NNN0LHI
...than those 50,000 Iraqis and more than 2,500 American troops who have been killed.

I don't understand this?

Something doesn't seem right here.

Don
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:32 AM
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7. We have Bush* for our leader so the entire world knows how smart
we are. Bush* is our leader and the entire world cringes. How smart are we, is that a rhetorical question?
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cspanlovr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:33 AM
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8. Doornail dying dumb.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:35 AM
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9. Wow, good analysis. (nt)
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:39 AM
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10. I Agree. n/t
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:40 AM
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11. Did y'all see when Dobbs
tried to connect Hizbollah to Venezuela?
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:10 AM
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13. I wouldn't call him "completely transformed," but he is doing some good
with some issues.
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Bad Penny Donating Member (392 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 01:06 AM
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27. I sure did
And that's why I don't trust Lou Dobbs will ever truly see the light. He really demonizes Chavez at every turn
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 10:47 AM
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12. " History in the Middle East is everything, and we Americans..."
History in the Middle East is everything, and we Americans seem to learn nothing from it.

One cannot learn anything when one is completely unaware.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 11:26 AM
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14. C'mon Lou!
dontcha know there's gay homosexuals running loose in the streets and I just heard a Mexican across town just tried to get food stamps. Sheesh man, get your priorities straight.

:sarcasm:
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:53 PM
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15. this is a good column and surprises me that its coming from Dobbs
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 12:01 AM
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16. He rocks. I'm a huge fan.
Whenever he does something else awesome I am surprised to look around here and see people taken off guard by it, but he's always been awesome to me...This is the guy who put immigration, the hugest wedge issue ever to break up Bush's base, in the limelight until minutemen where raging against the patriot act for spying on them...This is the guy to REALLY break e-voting issues into mainstream. I love him!
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:31 AM
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17. So you think Dobbs doing things like this to people is a great thing, eh?
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-immigside20.html

Family fears letter sending dad back to Mexico

Every day, Adriana Castro steels herself to look in the mailbox and possibly learn whether her family will be ripped apart by immigration laws she says unjustly punish honest, hardworking people.

Adriana came to the United States in 1989 with her parents and became a U.S. citizen. She met Francisco, here on a tourist visa looking for work in engineering, fell in love and got married in 1992.

She applied for him to get permanent residency, and they started building their lives together while waiting for the paperwork to go through. snip

Every day brings the possibility that a letter will arrive, giving him a date to exit the country and dashing the couple's hopes for a good education for their kids.

"It's terrible," said Adriana. "We've paid our taxes, done everything right, and now we don't know if he'll have to leave us. I can't take the kids from the only home they've ever known."


To do this to people for votes as you suggest Dobbs is doing in your post is a pretty low down thing to do. Lou Dobbs is a sick motherfucker and you say you love him. Great.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 07:07 PM
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18. Nah. All he did was put the issue front and center, which reveals the BS.
On one side of the right you have the hick haters who want to sent mexicans back, and on the other side the rich ones who want to get rid of workers rights and contract out american jobs to illegals. Lou focused on attacking the latter, (who ARE republican) and in the process turned the former against them. All this is fine in my book because the status quo with immigration is not okay, and Lou was pointing it all out. For instance having DHS pouring over our library, medical, telephone and financial records while 11 million illegals come and go as they please is with no records is just insane. Somebody had to point it all out, and I'm glad Lou did.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 07:23 PM
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20. I dunno. I googled "Lou Dobbs" and "immigration" and he soulds like
an inforcement guy, wanting to know what we're doing about the millions of illegals pooring into the coutry and why we're not apprehending them.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2867

http://www.fair.org/extra/0402/dobbs.html

http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=5591
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:03 PM
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21. I am an enforcement guy too and I love immigrants.
the key is getting them here legally, so they can work with the same wage standards and rights we enjoy, and so they can compete fairly on the market with american workers, that's my take anyway :)
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:07 PM
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22. He's accused in the links I provided of being an alarmist
and blurring the lines between illegal and legal immigrant discussion.

But still, I can't watch him as I'm second shift. So whatchagonna do.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 10:28 PM
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23. Probably fair assessment...But he is an MSM guy. haha
So I expect a huge amount of crap, and let it slide. Which is a sad statement about the MSM, that they are held by much lower standards than blog writers by most. If Lou had a blog, I would consider it too boring to read.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 12:50 AM
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26. He's a straight-up panic-monger if you ask me.
I stopped watching CNN in part because he would not get off the 'brown people are flooding into this country!' schtick. Pandering to The Stupids.

- as
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 11:07 AM
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28. CNN figured if it worked on the knuckledraggers who listen to...
...Rush Limbaugh that well the same shtick would work on cable TV viewers also.

They were right.

Dobbs just had to show the same tape of Mexicans jumping over a fence a few times and they were hooked.

Just like Pavlov's dog. Amazing.

Don
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unlawflcombatnt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 12:47 AM
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25. Exactly
Lou made it clear the immigration issue was all about cheap labor, just like outsourcing and "free" trade are all about cheap labor. Hooray for Lou Dobbs. He's right on.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 07:18 PM
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19. Nevermind. Just looked it up.
Edited on Thu Jul-20-06 07:20 PM by LittleClarkie
He was on one side, the prez on the other. Weirdly enough, Bush is the liberal in this instance.
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unlawflcombatnt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-21-06 12:40 AM
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24. Dobbs is Excellent
He's the best commentator on television at present. He stands up for American workers and the American middle class, while standing up against Bush, his supporters, and Corporate America's greed.

Hooray for Lou Dobbs!!

:yourock:

unlawflcombatnt

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