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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:21 PM
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A personal letter of response to a Republican, a lawyer, and a friend
What follows is my response to a friend who is a Republican, a lawyer, and has a son fighting in Iraq. I post enough of my friend's original correspondence to aid in making sense of my response. My friend is aware of my efforts to regain integrity to our voting processes and my views that the 2004 election was stolen and how it was stolen (which I don't go into here).

Please don't trash my friend; he's trying to come to grips with what has happened to the country he loves.

(I may not be a Bush supporter BUT what have you got as an alternative? Hillary?)

Hillary is a neo-liberal. Why, just yesterday Rupert Murdock held a private breakfast fundraiser for her in midtown Manhattan. I ain't no fan! You see, I'm not a Democrat; I'm an American. I cut my teeth protesting the Vietnam War against a Democratic administration. .

It is true that the DNC hasn't demonstrated the fortitude needed to repair the damage; they appear to just want to control the levers themselves (and purportedly then fix things). There is a difference however: The RNC is a well oiled machine under the complete control of neo-fascists (Fascism is a radical totalitarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism. - source: Wikipedia); the DNC might be taken over itself but those bleeding-heart liberals keep getting in the way.

As for Bush, if not Bush, we'd have another tin-pot dictator taking the orders and dishing them out. The Bushes admittedly had an inside track from Papa/Grandpa Prescott (a founding father of the American neo-fascists who made his fortune with Hitler). As a note of fact: I refer to the RNC, distinguishing it from the Republican Party or Republicans. This is a distinction that exists among those commissioned into the RNC itself and refers specifically to the group of individuals and their subsequent hierarchical interlocking set of 300+ organizations they engineered to take over the Republican party, to take over all three branches of the Federal government, and to execute their private agenda for a new world order and world domination (Google PNAC for some of the game plan).

(not to say the other side has much to offer; but at least the economy is growing.)

As for the economy, I refer you to the following (note: as posted on DU):

AT THE CLOSING BELL WHEN BUSH TOOK OFFICE on January 22, 2001
Dow - 10,578.24
Nasdaq - 2,757.91
S&P 500 - 1,342.90
Oil - $27.69/bbl
Gold - $266.70/oz.

AT THE CLOSING BELL ON July 17, 2006

Dow... 10,747.36 +8.01 (+0.07%)
Nasdaq... 2,037.72 +0.37 (+0.02%)
S&P 500... 1,234.49 -1.71 (-0.14%)
Gold future... 651.90 -16.10 (-2.47%)
30-Year Bond 5.10% -0.01 (-0.14%)
10-Yr Bond... 5.07% +0.01 (+0.20%)

Show me where in the above Bush has been good for the economy... The price of gold??? Add the 1/2 trillion/year excess $$$ printed during GW's rule propped up by China and petrodollars; and the re-scaling of unemployment rates to exclude anyone not drawing unemployment insurance after it expires; and the Fed discontinuing reporting the M-4 (value of the dollar against gold) last March without even a press release; and record trade deficits. Yup, the economy is humming right along. Our kids will sure appreciate it.

(You guys want my vote (and you need it to win) you had better come up with an agenda other than the old, moldy demo party stand by issues e.g. abortion, Bush bashing etc.)

As for "You guys", I ain't one. I don't want your vote, I want your vote to count as you intend. If it doesn't we'll never get rid of these carpetbaggers. As for agendas, seems like the agenda of the RNC ain't so hot... unless you like (and I don't): world domination, neo-fascism, unremitting propaganda, domestic spying, one-party rule, corporate globalism, no border security, the North American Union (without anyone voting for it), reemergence of a slave class in unrestrained illegal immigration, destruction of the middle class, stolen elections, the takeover of the Republican party, a complete disregard for protecting the environment, dropping nukes on Iran (at least the pentagon had enough sense to resist this one!), the CIA's cessation of searching for Bin Laden, poisoning our troops and whole populations with depleted uranium micro-dust (Yes, Clinton did this in Kosivo too!), etc.(ripping off the Social Security Trust), etc.(Eliminating protections to enable control of major media by a few corporations), etc.(re-introducing preemptive war- what a concept: worked for Hitler; worked for Japan)...

(Where is the plan to get out of the Mideast, ease gas prices, throw big oil execs in the slammer for whatever, keeping a lid on taxes, eliminating the death tax, dealing with North Korea? The dems need a plan or 4 more years of ??)

The solution is in "We the People" - not with the Dems or Repubs. Tyranny falls when the people rise up and not a moment before. That's why I'm fighting to regain the power of our votes - its a first cause; That's why I called for demonstrations in our 51 capitals; that's why I named my web site 51capitalmarch.com.(see http://www.51capitalmarch.com)

If you want to do something about it, run for office; offer legal assistance to fight election fraud. It will take all of us. There is a fledgling peaceful revolution taking shape. Its made up of progressives of all stripes: conservatives, libertarians, moderates, liberals, radicals (can't say there are any neocons or neo-fascists though, except maybe for the moles). Within this movement, I have met some patriots from all those stripes each who would have made George Washington proud and who have brought tears to my eyes in appreciation and admiration.

That's my alternative. Its not quick. Its not easy. But its the only one I know of. I've spent 35
years paying attention to the evolution of what I have described. I learned along the way to listen carefully and question everything. I'm just thankful Dad (who fought in WWII to rid the world of fascism) isn't around to witness what we have become.

As for the vast majority of Americans (the "We the People"), they don't like what's happening and generally don't understand how it got this way or why it continues. Just like the 12/12/04 protests in 40 state capitals and Washington DC; the 1/6/05 protest in D.C., the 4 slates of state electors calling for an investigation of the 2004 election (unprecedented in history but apparently not newsworthy!), the Election Assessment Hearings on 6/29 in Houston (see http://www.electionassessment.org), the 1/3rd million Iraq War protesters surrounding the White House on 9/24/05 - major media is silent and the vast majority ignorant. How many people know the NSA domestic spying program was launched 7 months BEFORE 9/11 when the NSA approached AT&T to request they build a central monitoring station in New Jersey? Not too many is my guess even though that fact actually WAS reported by CNN, MSNBC and the NYT. The information is out there, its just that, if its reported, its spun or buried or spun and then buried. Makes me wonder how it was for millions of Germans under Hitler. Fortunately, unlike the German people, we have the Internet for as long as it lasts. As we speak, every attempt to control the Internet by content is under way (not to mention the NSA's Internet spying program already in place!). All of which is why it is urgently incumbent upon each of us to spread the word, inform, and educate, our fellow citizens while we can.

I said its neither quick nor easy. My only expectation is things will get worse before they get any better. However, I figure I owe it to my Dad and my kids and my country to do what I can.

That's what I think; that's how I feel. Will you consider joining me in the fight to regain our Democracy and our country?

Kip

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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 08:32 PM
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1. Well done! K&R
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:30 PM
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2. It Amazes Me How Stubbornly Bushes Minions Cling To The Propaganda
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-18-06 10:36 PM
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3. I hope your friend understands the effort you put into this
I hope your friend reads it. Thinks about it. Acknowledges it. Debates it even.

It would be such a good thing if your friend could be open minded enough to at least put some time and thought into it, as you have.

Let us know how it turns out. You put in a lot of work on this - I wish it didn't take so much damn effort to try and turn the Repukes around on these issues. You done good. Thanks!

kick!
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 04:30 AM
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9. Like many Republicans, he's waking to the gruesome reality of
Bush's "reign of terra". His son is stationed outside Fallujah where his marine unit has suffered more casualties this tour then when fighting the Battle of Fallujah. My friend knows it a civil war over there and knows our troops are sitting ducks with no hope of victory. Then he hears the government's lies. Like a lot of others, he's coming to grips with what we have known all along. He is wondering why, how, and how come so much is not reported. I guess its hard to come to terms with the way things really are all at once. But he is listening and he is realizing the truth of the gruesome reality I have been describing. How easy is it to come to grips with the reality that your son is fighting and may die for fascists? Not easy...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 12:49 AM
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4. You are the type of Democrat & Citizen I really like!!! Extremely useful.
I "r'ed" this earlier but wanted a chance to really go over it. This is just great. I'm struck by the respect you show your friend by not pulling punches, just telling him the truth.

This is my favorite exchange:

(You guys want my vote (and you need it to win) you had better come up with an agenda other than the old, moldy demo party stand by issues e.g. abortion, Bush bashing etc.)

As for "You guys", I ain't one. I don't want your vote, I want your vote to count as you intend. If it doesn't we'll never get rid of these carpetbaggers. As for agendas, seems like the agenda of the RNC ain't so hot... unless you like (and I don't):


"You guys want my vote." You were diplomatic here. He had better use his vote intelligently. I see this rhetorical stance among some friends of mine. It's like they're afraid they'll get infected if they say what they know to be the truth..."this guy sucks, I wish I'd never voted for him, damn..." But it's convince me. OK, we're in a theater and it catches fire, do I convince you to get up with me and head for the exit. I had almost the same exchange with an in law before 2004 but I was not nearly as poised as you. Something like "What is your major malfunction?"

The real truth here is the fundamental belief in free and fair elections and that given free and fair vote taking/counting we have a chance to get legal bribery in the form of campaign contributions replaced by public financing. If we blow it after that with another *, then we deserve what we get but I can't see that happening. We might even get a president who IS NOT wired to the gills and a multi millionaire. How refreshing!

Excellent post. I'll use it with my in law;) The vote went to Kerry btw and I took them to dinner.

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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:48 AM
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5. He's just beginning to wake up to the reality that this country has been
fucked and I'm just educating him as to how. The why may take a little longer.

A point of learning for the Democrats though: if they started showing some balls, started fighting against the stolen elections and confronting the RNC's manipulations head-on, they'd get a ton of Republican votes. They're all afraid of becoming the next Max Cleland and live under some misguided notion that if they hang on, they can survive to make a difference some day. What delusion!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 02:26 AM
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6. Right and we know the Cleland did NOT lose...
What a joke that election was.

:hi:
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 02:54 AM
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8. Not just Dems
Liberals advocacy groups such as MoveOn.org won't touch the issue of election fraud with a ten-foot pole! There was no acknowledgment, none, of "irregularities" in Ohio by this group after the 2004 election. They have sent form letters in the past asking members about our concerns and what we consider to be the pressing issues of the day. No acknowledgment, no response. I've written them and have been ignored.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 02:46 AM
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7. "You guys"...
(You guys want my vote (and you need it to win) you had better come up with an agenda other than the old, moldy demo party stand by issues e.g. abortion, Bush bashing etc.)

As for "You guys", I ain't one. I don't want your vote, I want your vote to count as you intend. If it doesn't we'll never get rid of these carpetbaggers. As for agendas, seems like the agenda of the RNC ain't so hot... unless you like (and I don't):


"You guys" vs "Us guys". Red-team, blue-team. Sounds like he's been branded and marketed to. Nice that Kip didn't use advertising jingles and talking points to get his own point across.
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