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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:36 AM
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The NYTimes "impeachment" case against George W Bush...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/16/opinion/16sun1.html?_r=1&oref=login

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Over and over again, the same pattern emerges: Given a choice between following the rules or carving out some unprecedented executive power, the White House always shrugged off the legal constraints. Even when the only challenge was to get required approval from an ever-cooperative Congress, the president and his staff preferred to go it alone. While no one questions the determination of the White House to fight terrorism, the methods this administration has used to do it have been shaped by another, perverse determination: never to consult, never to ask and always to fight against any constraint on the executive branch.

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The hearings were supposed to produce a hopeful vision of a newly humbled and cooperative administration working with Congress to undo the mess it had created in stashing away hundreds of people, many with limited connections to terrorism at the most, without any plan for what to do with them over the long run. Instead, we saw an administration whose political core was still intent on hunkering down. The most embarrassing moment came when Bush loyalists argued that the United States could not follow the Geneva Conventions because Common Article Three, which has governed the treatment of wartime prisoners for more than half a century, was too vague. Which part of “civilized peoples,” “judicial guarantees” or “humiliating and degrading treatment” do they find confusing?

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The administration’s intent to use the war on terror to buttress presidential power was never clearer than in the case of its wiretapping program. The president had legal means of listening in on the phone calls of suspected terrorists and checking their e-mail messages. A special court was established through a 1978 law to give the executive branch warrants for just this purpose, efficiently and in secrecy. And Republicans in Congress were all but begging for a chance to change the process in any way the president requested. Instead, of course, the administration did what it wanted without asking anyone. When the program became public, the administration ignored calls for it to comply with the rules. As usual, the president’s most loyal supporters simply urged that Congress pass a law allowing him to go on doing whatever he wanted to do.

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To a disturbing degree, the horror of 9/11 became an excuse to take up this cause behind the shield of Americans’ deep insecurity. The results have been devastating. Americans’ civil liberties have been trampled. The nation’s image as a champion of human rights has been gravely harmed. Prisoners have been abused, tortured and even killed at the prisons we know about, while other prisons operate in secret. American agents “disappear” people, some entirely innocent, and send them off to torture chambers in distant lands. Hundreds of innocent men have been jailed at Guantánamo Bay without charges or rudimentary rights. And Congress has shirked its duty to correct this out of fear of being painted as pro-terrorist at election time.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:38 AM
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1. Someone is going to get some more white powder.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:42 AM
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2. The NY Times doesn't use the word "impeachment,"
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 09:42 AM by Eric J in MN
...and so it's more likely that the editorial will be ignored in most of the mainstream media.

Perhaps they should have used the word "impeachment" to get more attention.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/16/opinion/16sun1.html?_r=1&oref=login&pagewanted=all
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:47 AM
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6. Exactly...
It sounds like an impeachment case to me. But it will be ignored by the M$M because they are not capable of putting all their facts and information into perspective.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:48 AM
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7. keeping it quiet until after November.
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zoeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:44 AM
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3. Everyone knows it take a WH blowjo to get impeached
What the hell is the Times thinking?
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:45 AM
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4. The NYT strikes again !
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:46 AM
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5. We have to use the word impeachemnt and war crimes
in everyday speech.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:49 AM
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8. We do, we do.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:01 AM
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10. Spread the word in any way you can.
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 10:07 AM by alfredo
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"the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication." (Rev. 17:1-2 KJV)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 12:20 PM
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15. Babylon this is your final day Babylon this is your final call
Edited on Sun Jul-16-06 12:21 PM by seemslikeadream


There is no quidance in your kingdom
Your wicked walk in Babylon
There is no wisdom to your freedom
The richest man in babylon

Your beggars sleep outside your doorway
Your prophets leave to wonder on
You fall asleep at night with worry
The saddest man in Babylon

The wicked stench of exploitation
Hangs in the air and lingers on
Beneath the praise and admiration
The weakest man in Babylon


There is no hope left in your kingdom
Your servants have burned all their songs
Nobody here remembers freedom
The richest man in Babylon

Si la lou babylon go 'dain
Babylon gon' be rich again
But to we don' sick again
But no we no weak again
Babyloooon on on on on
(Rasta scat)
Sal la lou ca uba whoa
Si la douba douba do wa bay
??
Si la loo babylon come 'round
You better know you better understand
'Fact you know you better hear what they say
Babylon this is your final day
Babylon this is your final call
Read the writin' it's on the wall
Said United we stand
And together we fall
And if I know that
You're not 'gon catch me in a rat pack
We not go fallin' on your death trap
No way...

Whoooooa oh oh oh oh whoa oh who oh oh
Whooooooa oh oh oh
Whoa oh oh o oh

Thievery Corporation

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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 01:23 PM
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17. In the past, the good out did the bad in the dealings of
our nation. That has changed.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 09:50 AM
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9. Welcome to the party NY Times
* and company have never followed the rules before so why start now?

* facing a pee test in the Air National Guard, ran away

Cheney got 5 deferments and Lynne pregnant so as to avoid the war he supported

Rove when working for Ashcroft in his run for Gov of Missouri, had miracle "black
support" in African American districts that had not voted GOP in 30 years

the 2000 and 2004 elections have been shown dirty beyond all doubt

* had 52 warnings about 9/11 and yet let it happen

The NSA / ATT spying started in March of 01 ..... w/ 9-11 given as the reason.

* made his money from insider trades

So why should it now come as a shock that * & company work outside the laws of the land?
They are crooks and killers ..... end of story.
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:49 AM
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11. "no one questions the determination of the White House to fight terr


:hi: Me! Me! Call on Me! Ooh! Ooh! Me! Me! I'll question the White House's determination to fight terror! Me! Call on me!


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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 12:48 PM
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16. Thank you! Someone needed to say that.
"While no one questions the determination of the White House to fight terrorism..."

That was, for me, the nail-studded board on the road of rational discourse.

A more factual statement might be: "No one questions the determination of the White House to be seen to be fighting terrorism"
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FredStembottom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 01:45 AM
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18. And that's all they EVER wanted!
Edited on Mon Jul-17-06 01:45 AM by FredStembottom
to be seen to be fighting it!:mad:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 11:07 AM
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12. one sentense renders the article useless
"While no one questions the determination of the White House to fight terrorism"

B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T

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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 11:09 AM
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13. I disagree...
The other facts overwhelm that one statement. They are talking about "determination" - not whether it was right or wrong.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 12:14 PM
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14. what war, I thought this was simply authorized use of military
I don't remember Congress declaring war on Iraq or on terror, they said take the military
and deal with terrorists and those related to 9-11, so where does all the special exceptions
of his "war powers" to ingore the existing rule of law come from.
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