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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:28 AM
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Clueless Jonah Goldberg strikes again
Jonah Goldberg: Who needs ideas when you have passion?
By JONAH GOLDBERG

1 hour, 24 minutes ago

FOR SEVERAL years now, liberal eggheads have been having what seems like an important debate: Do they need “big ideas” like the conservative movement had during its long march to power? Serious-minded liberals launched what Democratic idea-broker Kenneth S. Baer calls “the battle of the battle of ideas,” in which they argue about whether it’s time to argue about important arguments.

Just this week, Baer and Andrei Cherny — founders of a new big-idea journal, “Democracy” — penned an op-ed in the Los Angeles Times (reprinted on the opposite page) calling for liberals to find new Big Ideas. In response to this effort, the New Republic’s Jonathan Chait says — and I’m not making this up — “Ideas? Feh.”

A more eloquent statement was posted on the liberal blog TPM Cafe: “The problem isn’t getting people to believe in something — people can believe in anything. The problem is getting them to care.” That captures the essence of liberalism’s current plight. If it’s not about emotions — caring, hating, feeling — it’s about tactics. Big ideas have about as much animating force in liberal ranks today as Calvinism does at a porn studio.

Exhibit A is the liberal battle over Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman’s re-election. Lieberman, America’s favorite Jewish uncle, is in the fight of his political life because limousine liberal Ned Lamont is challenging him in the Democratic primary. Oceans of ink and pixels have been devoted to explaining the factions behind this “civil war” on the left. Some paint it as the “netroots,” or left-wing bloggers, versus the Washington establishment. Others talk of hawks vs. doves, or populists vs. elitists, the party line vs. independents, cats vs. dogs. . . .

more . . (if you can stand it)
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Jonah+Goldberg%3A+Who+needs+ideas+when+you+have+passion%3F&articleId=337c0735-bdcd-4078-9b44-411ee4dbfd9a
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:34 AM
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1. Jonah's mom is Lucianne
The twit who pimped the tapes on the ratfink concerning Monica.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:49 AM
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2. Such a nice family
NOT
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 02:35 AM
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10. Oh, is THAT how he got the job?
Edited on Fri Jul-14-06 02:35 AM by impeachdubya
I always had the feeling he ought to be selling cigarettes at a Shell Station.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:52 AM
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3. Jonah's an ass.n/t
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:57 AM
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4. Nope, I couldn't stand it
But thanks for posting it!
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 01:56 AM
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7. Oh I understand
And you are welcome.

It does help to know what the other side is thinking, when you can stand it.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 02:26 AM
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8. Agreed,
Sun Tsu, keep your friends close, and your enemies closer, and all that. But this was just too much bullshit for me to cut through tonite!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 01:04 AM
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5. The whiney twit got so defensive when he was asked why he's not
signed up to fight in Iraq. :puke: The L.A. Times dumped Robert Scheer (now with The Nation) and takes Jonah the Whale on board.

I cancelled my subscription.:puke:
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Ringo84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 01:43 AM
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6. What a doofus
liberal eggheads


Eggheads. Right. That's because most liberals are twice as smart as the average RWer.

liberalism’s current plight


And what plight would that be? Lib'rulism seems to be doing quite well, thank you.

If it’s not about emotions — caring, hating, feeling — it’s about tactics. Big ideas have about as much animating force in liberal ranks today as Calvinism does at a porn studio.


Right. We have no big ideas. Moral questions about war, the death penalty, etc are just stuff we pulled out of our asses because, dammit, it's emotional! :sarcasm:

America’s favorite Jewish uncle


What America are you talking about?

limousine liberal


:argh: I am so frickin SICK of this "elitist" BS. I suppose there are no rich conservatives?

the left


There's that all-encompassing 'The Left' again, as though we all think as one unit. If the Lieberman controversy has proven one thing, it's that liberals don't think alike.
Ringo
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 02:34 AM
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9. Good points
Especially about "Liberal eggheads". Yes, that's right, we DIDN'T elect a "regular guy", someone we'd like to have a beer with. We crazy libs actually think "Leader of the Free World" is a damn serious job and would have prefered a policy wonk, or someone way, way smarter than what we have now. Heck, I miss having a President who can speak in coherent sentences! The bar has really dropped that low.
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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 04:12 AM
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11. Straight outta the 1950's, just like Jonah's mentality
"Egghead" was a popular Repug slur back in the halcyon days of Joe McCarthy and HUAC. The Right loved using it against educated Dems like Adlai Stevenson.

An incident during Stevenson's 1956 presidential campaign summed up the whole problem. During a rally a woman in the audience yelled: "Mr. Stevenson, every thinking American is voting for you!"

Stevenson replied: "That's not enough, madam! We need a majority!"

The attacks on "eggheads" and "pointy-headed intellectuals" temporarily fell out of favor after October 1957, when the Soviets launched Sputnik.

I was surprised to see the L.A. TIMES hired this clueless asshat. I live in L.A. but have spent much of the past year working in Egypt. When I'm home I get weekly calls from the TIMES begging me to subscribe. This will be something else for me to laugh about when they call, along with that mean but stOOpid right-wing TIMES cartoonist, Michael Ramirez.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 05:34 AM
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12. Bwaahaahaaahaa!!! "Limosine liberal"!!!!
How pathetic. That slur is so outdated! You'd think this ass would be a bit more up on current and appropriate name calling.

*yawn*
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 06:40 AM
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13. Again, Jonah finds himself to be too cute for the
rest of the world. I wish his 15 minutes of fame hadn't launched his lucrative 'pundit' career.

If it hadn't been for Mommy, he would still be cranking out piss poor, third rate video productions...
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