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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:23 AM
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The U.S. vs. John Lennon
There's a new John Lennon documentary coming out and it looks like it has a chance to make some serious waves. It may even encourage a more vigorous anti-war movement.

It's called The U.S. vs. John Lennon. From the trailer it looks like the filmmakers are drawing some parallels between Nixon and Bush; Vietnam and Iraq.

Check out the trailer:


http://icestationtango.blogspot.com/2006/07/new-john-lennon-documentary-renews.html
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:25 AM
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1. I saw the trailer when I saw "Inconvenient Truth"
This one looks really good!

dg
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station agent Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:27 AM
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2. I've been hoping for a new John lennon but the old one is just fine...
Just hope the presentation is fresh and not just a rehash of other John Lennon docs.
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fordnut Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:35 AM
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4. I believe in a lot ways like John Lennon
I think it will be a great movie.I don't believe in wars like
John Lennon.I think it will be a must see movie
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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:30 AM
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3. There is a whole new generation of people who need educating ...
Edited on Thu Jul-13-06 10:31 AM by Veronica.Franco
They need to learn about John Lennon ... they need to see and listen to Kerry's testimony regarding Vietnam ... they need to understand that this isn't the first time our administration has been dead wrong and miserably LOST ...
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UpInArms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:42 AM
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6. Winter Soldier Investigation
http://www3.iath.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_entry.html

Opening Statement of William Crandell:

"Over the border they send us to kill and to fight for a cause they've long ago forgotten." These lines of Paul Simon's recall to Vietnam veterans the causes for which we went to fight in Vietnam and the outrages we were part of because the men who sent us had long ago forgotten the meaning of the words.

We went to preserve the peace and our testimony will show that we have set all of Indochina aflame. We went to defend the Vietnamese people and our testimony will show that we are committing genocide against them. We went to fight for freedom and our testimony will show that we have turned Vietnam into a series of concentration camps.

We went to guarantee the right of self-determination to the people of South Vietnam and our testimony will show that we are forcing a corrupt and dictatorial government upon them. We went to work toward the brotherhood of man and our testimony will show that our strategy and tactics are permeated with racism. We went to protect America and our testimony will show why our country is being torn apart by what we are doing in Vietnam.

...more...


http://www3.iath.virginia.edu/sixties/HTML_docs/Resources/Primary/Winter_Soldier/WS_03_1Marine.html

MODERATOR. I'd like to welcome you all. This is the First Marine Division. It landed in South Vietnam in 1965 and is still there. You've probably all heard the quotation "Ask a Marine." So after these gentlemen have finished their testimony, you'll be allowed to ask a Marine and find out what really went on over there.

CRAIG. My name is Stephen Craig. I'm 23 years old. I entered the service about two weeks after graduation in 1965. I entered the service after high school in 1965. Went to Vietnam in 1966 to serve with Second Battalion, 5th Marine and served there from September '66 to September '67. When I got out of the service I worked as a laborer. My testimony basically covers the maltreatment of prisoners, the suspects actually, and a convoy running down an old woman with no reason at all--no provocation or anything. And bounties were put on our own men in our own companies if they were inadequate in the field. And they were either disposed of, or wounded, or something to this effect just to make sure they were taken away. I was a Pfc. in the service.

MODERATOR. We're going to allow everybody to speak first and after that the press will be allowed to ask questions.

SACHS. My name is Rusty Sachs. I entered the Marine Corps in 1964 after working as a news broadcaster for a network radio station. I was a helicopter pilot. I came out as a Captain. I was in Vietnam with Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 362 as a medivac pilot from August of '66 to September of '67 and my testimony concerns the leveling of villages for no valid reason, throwing Viet Cong suspects from the aircraft after binding and gagging them with copper wire, and racism in the assignment of priorities to medical evacuations where white people were given priority over nonwhite people.

CAMILE. My name is Scott Camile. I was a Sgt. attached to Charley 1/1. I was a forward observer in Vietnam. I went in right after high school and I'm a student now. My testimony involves burning of villages with civilians in them, the cutting off of ears, cutting off of heads, torturing of prisoners, calling in of artillery on villages for games, corpsmen killing wounded prisoners, napalm dropped on villages, women being raped, women and children being massacred, CS gas used on people, animals slaughtered, Chieu Hoi passes rejected and the people holding them shot, bodies shoved out of helicopters, tear-gassing people for fun and running civilian vehicles off the road.

...more...


Statement of Mr. John Kerry

...I am not here as John Kerry. I am here as one member of the group of 1,000 which is a small representation of a very much larger group of veterans in this country, and were it possible for all of them to sit at this table they would be here and have the same kind of testimony....

WINTER SOLDIER INVESTIGATION

I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....

They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

We call this investigation the "Winter Soldier Investigation." The term "Winter Soldier" is a play on words of Thomas Paine in 1776 when he spoke of the Sunshine Patriot and summertime soldiers who deserted at Valley Forge because the going was rough.

We who have come here to Washington have come here because we f eel we have to be winter soldiers now. We could come back to this country; we could be quiet; we could hold our silence; we could not tell what went on in Vietnam, but we feel because of what threatens this country, the fact that the crimes threaten it, not reds, and not redcoats but the crimes which we are committing that threaten it, that we have to speak out.

...more...


and so much more...

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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:55 AM
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8. Thank you for posting that ...
Hauntingly familiar words ....
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patcox2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:50 AM
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7. Yes, more education is definitely needed.
Then people would understand that you should read the philosophers for philosophy, rather than hero-worshipping drug addicted musicians they think are "deep" because they dabbled with political issues between beating their wives and abandoning their children.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:37 AM
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5. Seems to me that this film (and other activist organizations/films before)
are trying to motivate the populace to actually DO something en masse.

We all post up here and bitch and complain and do some GOTV work and post on blogs and call our Reps/Sens but where are the mass protests?

Need a Dean-type persona to create a national wave.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 10:56 AM
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9. John Lennon is my 'Personal Messiah'
... he, too, was crucified.


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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 12:34 PM
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12. on a cross of Lilith Velkor, no less
yeesh :scared:
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 12:01 PM
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10. My kids need to see this.
One of my daughters in particular is a Beatles fan, but my kids all seem to be wrapped up in their own lives and unconcerned about what's going on. Makes me wonder where I went wrong as a parent.

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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 12:05 PM
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11. Don't think you did anything wrong as a parent
Times are just different, and information has been so limited that it is impossible to get the same level of passionate involvement that previous generations had. The first thing we need to do is wrest free information sources.
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nomo Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 12:40 PM
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13. Seen the official site?
Why the hell is the Official Website designed to look like a clone of, of all things, the Drudge Report??

http://www.theusversusjohnlennon.com/

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