Are we THAT desperate?

[CatWoman]

What's with all the "Gore 2008" threads?

Do you really, really think it's going to happen?

[pstans]

1. Did you hear the speech?

:toast:

[helderheid]

2. I was just about to ask that!

[CatWoman]

5. yes I did

you point?

[helderheid]

12. I point?

Never! ;)

[CatWoman]

14. LOL

Smartass!!

I meant "your point" :D

[helderheid]

16. :) Sorry.... couldn't resist!!

Gore has me smittin. I always liked him alright but this speech had me literally sobbing. I am so moved and reinspired.

[CatWoman]

19. it's hard typing with a cat in your lap

:D

[Fridays Child]

29. That should be crocheted on a pillow.

It's so true.

[chimpymustgo]

56. Not desperation. Hope.

Nothing wrong with that, now is it?

:hi:

[Avalux]

3. Al Gore's voice is very important and he gave an incredible speech -

however, that doesn't mean he should be our candidate in 2008. Maybe he has a different calling than being president?? I think maybe he does. ;-)

[Missy Vixen]

4. In a word, "yes"

>Do you really, really think it's going to happen?<

I have no idea. At the same time, I'll write my letter, and I'll enclose a donation to his future campaign. There is nobody else currently on the horizon that will "tell it like it is". There is nobody else on the horizon (besides Barbara Boxer, John Conyers and Russ Feingold,) that consistently stands for what we believe in -- that our country is built on laws, and we all must obey those laws, even those in the executive branch.

Al Gore is the only one that would be willing to clean out the rat's nest, with some help from a few others. Let's let him do it.

Julie

[American liberal]

39. I'm with you, Julie

Nobody else is stepping apart from the crowd as a viable candidate. My first choice, as a Chicagoan and lifelong Democrat, of course would be Barack Obama, but he's not ready! Give him another full term in the Senate. Gore did a GREAT job today! He gave voice to everything I've been talking to my left-leaning friends and posting here about. I learned more about his background today, as well. I think he's well-suited for the job. And as Julie said, there's really nobody else as appealing, although I like Pelosi and Feingold and others, I just don't think they could reel in the swing voters like Gore could.

And for the person who started a thread about forget 2008, focus on 2006, I think they are equally important. With Alito's nomination all but a sure thing, we have lost the judicial branch. We need both the legislative AND the executive back to compensate!

[mandyky]

50. I voted for Nader in 2000

but after Gore's speech today, I would vote for him in 2008 in a heartbeat.

[Lerkfish]

6. I think, actually, its a roundabout way of saying THAT is how a candidate

for president needs to sound.
meaning: diddling about with flag amendments, pussyfooting with nonfilibustering, being agreeable with the fascists, is not what we want from a candidate.

capiche?

the point is: WHY IN HEAVENS NAME IS GORE THE ONLY PERSON WITH THE BALLS TO SAY WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID?

and why should we support any candidate who cannot approach that standard?

[Missy Vixen]

15. THANK YOU!

>why should we support any candidate who cannot approach that standard?<

THIS is the bottom line. We must elect someone who will stand firm. The next eight years will be a MESS that only a grownup can clean up.

We need Al Gore. NOW.

Julie

[Zen Democrat]

7. Didn't you hear the speech? Hell yes, he's our man!

[mod mom]

8. He was in NO on his own dime after Katrina, showing real leadership

unlike the thief who stole the presdiency from him.

[MisterP]

33. WITH some airplanes to evacuate a few hundred people!

[AndyTiedye]

9. YES!! Our Country Has Not Been In Such Desperate Peril In Our Lifetime!

[Loonman]

10. Some people are

Great speech from Gore, but......

[HeeBGBz]

11. He's always been my first choice

I've quit trying to predict the future. It's all whacked.

[LittleClarkie]

13. It's not desperation to see a good man and want him for president

I'd take either Gore or Kerry.

[Strawman]

17. The man answered the bell today

Mark Warner or Evan Bayh or whoever the hell they're grooming ain't shown me shit compared to what Al Gore did today.

[Clark2008]

18. I'm with you CatWoman.

As a Tennessean, I can say that Al Gore has been a political crush of mine for longer than many on this board have known who he was.

However, I sincerely doubt he's going to run in 2008. I probably still would work for Wesley Clark in the primaries (if he runs) but we be more than proud to cast my vote in the general election for Gore should he run and win the nomination (and I certainly can't say that about H. Clinton, Biden and a few others mentioned).

I just don't think he's going to run. He's too happy being where he's at today.

[CatWoman]

30. and that's what people need to comprehend.

[ktlyon]

35. I liked the way he brought MLK into the discussion

and how he was violated by illegal government spying before being murdered.

[lumpy]

60. I will support Al Gore in any role

he chooses to play and pray he will continue to be a strong voice for truth. He has power because he speaks the truth. Of course we comprehend that he may not choose to run in 08', but it wouldn't be the first time someone has been drafted for the job. I have nothing but good to say about Gore's speech. I hope every decent American can say the same thing.

[Samantha]

67. He said he was not going to run in 1988 as well

but his father pulled him aside and told him to run, and so he did.

He said he would not run in 1992, but Clinton called and offered him a co-presidency so he joined the ticket with Clinton.

He said he would run early in the campaign in 2004. He said this in and around Washington. Then the DLC pulled the rug out from underneath him and he did not run.

Al Gore is unpredictable.

I too am from Tennessee and have followed him for years. I know above all else he is a statesman and will always do what he feels is best for the Country. If a collective large number of people asked him to run and the money people coughed up enough money to block Hillary, Al Gore would run.

I don't know about you, but in answer to Catwoman's question, I have felt complete desperation for five years now.

Run, Al, run.

[im10ashus]

20. If wanting someone who speaks the truth, obeys the law,

and is not looking to strip me of my freedoms means that I am desperate, then color me desperate.

[WI_DEM]

21. Yes, I for one am desperate for a strong progressive in '08

and Gore would be it. There may be others but nobody of his stature imo.

[RufusEarl]

22. I'm more concerned with the 2006 election,

I believe the 2006 election will determine if we even have an election in 2008.

[BattyDem]

23. Desperate??

Gore has ALWAYS been my first choice! There's no desperation involved at all. I think he would have made a great President had he been allowed to take his rightful place in the Oval Office. His speech today simply reaffirmed my belief in him.

Go Al, go!!! :loveya:

[ScreamingMeemie]

24. While it makes me regret "What Should Have Been"...I haven't

yet ordered my bumperstickers...

I think Gore realizes he is in the perfect spot. For lack of better words, I see him as the "king maker" this election. Whoever he backs will have a better shot. At least, that is my hope.

[Beam Me Up]

25. I don't understand why you regard it as "THAT desperate".

What the hell are you saying?

It is VERY RARE that someone gives strong voice to the reality of our situation.

EDIT: Of Course we want that in our leadership. It expresses what the President of the United States of American SHOULD BE. The fact that GORE is NOT in the Oval Office begs tremendous questions about our Republic.

[CatWoman]

28. look

I love Al Gore as much as the next person.

but I see a disturbing trend here.

Someone makes a great speech, and the next thing you know: a million "draft so and so" or "so and so for president" threads.

I prefer reality.

the many has stated that he is not interested.

he drove home the point when he guest hosted SNL.

[rman]

38. I don't recall Hillary giving a great speech recently

Can you point me to any great speeches recently held by potential candidates?

If Gore won't run then he'll be a good standard for any "real" candidates.

[CatWoman]

40. give me a fucking break

ok, perhaps I should have limited my comment so Gore exclusively.

Happy?

BTW: I don't support Hillary running for president in 2008.

Or any other year.

Not at this juncture.

[TahitiNut]

52. Well, I've heard of wanting a lunch break, but ....?

I guess I could go along with that. :shrug:



:dunce: :silly: :hug: :P :*

[DesertRat]

26. Yes we are that desperate

And it was an amazing speech! :applause:

[Burning Water]

27. I think Gore had his shot.

I think he failed to stand up when it counted. I won't support Gore in the primaries, and will do so only with great misgivings in the general election, if he gets the nomination. Which he won't. Hillary will be the nominee.

[Lefty48197]

54. I will eagerly go to the polls to vote for whomever the Democrats nominate

Gore, Clinton, Bayh, Obama, Pelosi, who ever. I WILL be there at the polls and I WILL vote for the Democratic nominee.

[Burning Water]

57. Well, I'll be there too, but

more eagerly and enthusiastically for some than for others. My vote counts the same, either way.

[ecstatic]

70. Thank you!

Gore had his shot. Kerry definitely had his shot. Now its time for both to get the HELL out the way so a real Democrat with spine can emerge.

[Burning Water]

71. That's right.

One who won't mealy-mouth around, but will let the American people know where Democrats stand on all issues. Straight up.

[LiberalEsto]

31. Al Gore is the rightfully elected president of the U.S.

and if he wants to run in 2008 I will support him all the way through hell or high water.

[CatWoman]

43. I agree with you wholheartedly as he is the rightfully elected president

of the U.S.

But I must disagree with you on him running.

Of course I would support him.

But I live in the real world.

The man said he does not want to run again.

[tkmorris]

32. I strongly disagree with your premise

Yes a great many of us WOULD like to see Gore in 2008, but the idea that we wish it out of "desperation" is false and frankly offensive.

To answer your other question, no, I don't think it's going to happen. At the moment he is my favorite amongst the real possibles out there, but I do not think he is willing.

[American liberal]

44. If it's the will of We the People to have him as our representative...

based on his speech today, he will HAVE to answer the call. Personally, I believe he has that kind of integrity. He has served for a long time. I think his speech today was his way of testing the waters. That's why I drafted my letter and am asking him to run. If he hears from enough of us, he will have to.

Peace,
AL

[oscarguy]

72. TESTING THE WATERS, I AGREE

Who knows what will come of it? I was impressed. HE SAID A LOT OF WHAT HAS TO BE SAID AND SPOKE OF WHAT IS AT STAKE .Time will tell. I definitely consider him a contender and one who has learned all that he is up against. I always liked Al

[Baconfoot]

34. It's not "desperation" to want the best candidate to run. NT

[CatWoman]

45. no, it's not

but it is desperation to try to MAKE someone run who says he doesn't want to.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

36. What's your problem with Gore? He already showed he can win.

nt

[CatWoman]

42. I don't have a problem with Gore. I love the man.

But many of you have a problem with reality.

The man couldn't make it any clearer: He does not intend to run again.

[lumpy]

63. Oh for pete's sake.

I assume you read minds or are 'desperate' for attention. Well, you got it, attention that is. Thanks anyway for warning us all that Gore might not run in 08'. Thanks for helping me face my problem with reality. Geez!

[SixStrings]

37. Wasn't he the guy in F911 who told those black politicians

to go back and sit down? 'Shut-up' so to speak?

[apple_ridge]

47. I bet he regrets that one!

[lumpy]

64. Watch the Senate in action sometime.

Discover how procedures work in session. OK?

[Steve A Play]

49. No, he was the guy in charge with the gavel in his hand

who had to uphold the rule of law in the chamber despite how he really felt about the situation. For you to characterize him as telling them to "sit down' and "shut up" is despicable. That's the kind of 'spin' I would expect from the right wing. :(

Steven P.

[SixStrings]

51. Did you watch the movie? Kind of looked like he was enjoying

it a little too much, "despite how he really felt about the situation"...

[Steve A Play]

55. Are you trying to imply that Gore was "enjoying" making them "shut up"?

Or is it at all possible in your mind that perhaps he was smiling at the warranted display of civil disobedience playing out before him as the Congressional Black Caucus members vociferously violated the chamber rules fighting for his presidency? They were speaking out for him!

If you've ever watched C-SPAN and have seen the speaker in either chamber 'gavel someone down' in order to 'shut them up' for being in violation of the rules, you'll note that in this instance Gore was in no particular hurry to make them stop. I'll bet that he was enjoying it, but not for the sinister motives that you imply.

The real travesty on that day wasn't that Gore gaveled them down, that was his responsibility, it's that he even had to do it because not a single Senator would rise to stand with the CBC.

So how do you think he felt about the situation? :shrug:

Steven P. :kick:

[LittleClarkie]

66. Oh please

I don't know what you were watching, but he did NOT look pleased.

[ecstatic]

69. Why yes, he was.

F*** Al Gore, and I truly do mean that. Why? Because that's what Al Gore said to thousands of black (and white, brown, yellow, etc.) voters in 2000. We wouldn't be in this mess and thousands of soldiers would not be dead right now if Al Gore hadn't forced us all to shut up.

[Maru Kitteh]

73. Some day when enough water has flowed under your bridge you will

see with eyes more clear. It wasn't Mr. Gore that did those things. True, he should have stood and fought longer, even he must know that now. Good men make mistakes. Gore is a good man and he fought for you today. It's been the usual practice of his life.

[htuttle]

41. At this point, I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it would do any good

...to quote the movie "Wargames".

[Steve A Play]

46. Are we THAT desperate? In a word YES!

We are THAT desperate for real representation of our ideals and Al Gore speaks for US.

We are THAT desperate for real leadership for our country and Al Gore would be a real leader.

If Al chooses to run on his own I will gladly once again cast my vote for him. If the citizens choose to draft him as a candidate, I will once again sign my name to the draft petition.

Do I really think it's going to happen? Ma'am, I'm counting on it! :toast:

I make my decisions based on the man, not the distorted media accounts of him. :)

Steven P. :kick:

[nomatrix]

48. No we are not desperate

We are looking for Courage. Intelligence. Experience.

I don't see anyone else doing it, who has the experience he has. Please, if you do, name one.
Most importantly, puts themselves in harms way to do it. He's not playing it safe any more.

David and Goliath.

[American liberal]

53. with all due respect (and because nobody else has mentioned it)

part of the reason why Mr. Gore can be so "courageous" today is exactly because he is not currently in public office. Honestly (and I am not trying to steal his thunder. I wrote a letter asking him to run for president), I wonder if he were sitting in the Senate right now if he would be so bold. Not likely. But that doesn't mean that he's not the best candidate at this time. I voted for him with reservations in 2000. After his GREAT speech today, and what we have endured for the past 5 years, I would vote for him wholeheartedly and with all my support in 2008.

[Steve A Play]

59. Did you ever read or hear any of his speeches when he was a Senator?

SPEECH BY SENATOR AL GORE
Center for National Policy
September 29, 1992

One of the most important questions in this campaign involves the
judgment of the candidates on foreign policy. The American people
know the world is full of unexpected surprises and dangers -- and as
a result they want to know whether or not a president can handle
these uncertainties, recognize unanticipated dangers, and realize
when national policy must be changed to reflect new realities. The
American people also want to know whether or not they can count on
their president to tell them the truth.

President Bush, in his handling of our policy toward Iraq, has failed
all these tests, and failed them badly. His poor judgment, moral
blindness and bungling policies led directly to a war that should
never have taken place. And because of his naivete and lack of
candor, U.S. taxpayers are now stuck with paying the bill for $1.9
billion President Bush gave to Saddam Hussein even though top
administration officials were repeatedly told Saddam was using our
dollars to buy weapons technology. Bush, of course, believes that
the war with Iraq was his finest hour as the organizer and leader of
a vast coalition of armed forces, united for the purpose of
frustrating the designs of an evil dictator.

But the war with Iraq had deep roots, and if George Bush's
prosecution of the war is part of his record, so too is his
involvement in the diplomacy which led to it, both in the Reagan/Bush
era, and far more so, during his presidency when he accelerated
foreign aid and the sale of weapons technology to Iraq -- right up
until the invasion of Kuwait -- in spite of repeated warnings that
anyone with common sense would have had no difficulty understanding.

The path leading us to that war, and the path which the President has
followed after, are deeply shadowed in profound error, in duplicity,
and in amoral disregard for our most basic values as a nation. There
is also substantial evidence that his administration intentionally
falsified export records, and reports to Congress -- and in the
process apparently violated a number of laws intended to prevent such
horrendous mistakes.

<more>

http://www.mit.edu/afs/net/user/tytso/usenet/nptn/campaign92/dems/15

So you think he would act differently now because.....? :shrug: :)

Steven P. :kick:

[American liberal]

62. Thanks, Steve. I happily stand corrected. Peace! n/t

[Steve A Play]

65. And people wonder if he needed a tele-prompter this morning!

Hell no, he's got it memorized. He's been giving almost the same damn speech for over 13 years now. :)

They might even listen this time if the media lets them actually hear it. :mad:

Steven P. :kick:

[CarbonDate]

68. Loaded question....

...there are only a very few Democrats that even approach his stature at all. Bill. Hillary. Jimmy. That's it.

And there is one on that list: Jimmy. Bill and Hillary ain't.

[Warren DeMontague]

58. Desperate? For someone smart, capable, and full of fire like Al Gore?

Fuck YES.

Desperate for someone with the intellectual capacity and understanding of the issues that he has?

Absolutely.

Desperate for someone with an unequivocal record of speaking out against the war in Iraq, as opposed to 'flip-flopping' all over it?

Fuckin' A, Bubba.

Desperate for someone who understands that the ENVIRONMENT and our dangerous planetary addiction to fossil fuels is the number one security issue facing the ENTIRE HUMAN RACE in the 21st Century???

Abso-god-damn-lutely.

[zippy890]

61. good question catwoman

and by the looks of thing around here,

we are