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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:05 PM
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Gore Speech – Thread Compilation
I hate missing all the little threads that go on during the Official threads… such emotion! Such passion and righteous outrage!


So, for anyone else that missed them…

Al Gore is coming on now. c-span1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x152043#152131

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES HAS BEEN BREAKING THE LAW
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x152320

AL MR. PRESIDENT: PLEASE THROW YOUR HAT IN THE RING WE
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x152572

I'm crying -- it is about time that one of our leaders says
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x152590

Gore speech is the most important political speech
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x152628

the really great thing about Gore's speech?...HE WROTE IT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x152637

Gore on C-SPAN: 1/16/06 - My STATE OF THE UNION!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x152668

AL AL AL PRESIDENT AL! AL AL AL PRESIDENT AL!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x152837

Ladies and gentlemen THAT'S what a president is supposed to sound like!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2371697

I'm loving Gore's speech and knowing Feinstein is in the audience!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x153032

Is Gore reading his speech or is he doing it from memory?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x153038

AL GORE! "Do your job congress! Do your job and UPHOLD the constitution"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x153059

The President has dared the American people to do something about it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x153214

This is another day that will go down in history and for it to happen
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2371722

FABULOUS AL..JUST FABULOUS!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x153286

Well WOODAMNWHOOO THAT WAS WORTH WAITING FOR!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x153297



link to Official threads 1-6
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x153117


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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:06 PM
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1. Thanks, Viva; great compilation; bookmarked! nt
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:06 PM
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2. Damn we rule! Thank you.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:10 PM
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3. "holy ta-moly"
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 02:10 PM by stellanoir
we weren't hungering for this speech at all eh. . .?

LOL

great idea to do a compilation thread : )

thanks
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:11 PM
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4. Here's the text, from Raw Story....
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:13 PM
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5. I'd like to add a link to the Youngstown Steel case that Gore referred to
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=343&invol=579

U.S. Supreme Court
YOUNGSTOWN CO. v. SAWYER, 343 U.S. 579 (1952)
343 U.S. 579

YOUNGSTOWN SHEET & TUBE CO. ET AL. v. SAWYER.
CERTIORARI TO THE UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT. * No. 744.
Argued May 12-13, 1952.
Decided June 2, 1952.

To avert a nation-wide strike of steel workers in April 1952, which he believed would jeopardize national defense, the President issued an Executive Order directing the Secretary of Commerce to seize and operate most of the steel mills. The Order was not based upon any specific statutory authority but was based generally upon all powers vested in the President by the Constitution and laws of the United States and as President of the United States and Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. The Secretary issued an order seizing the steel mills and directing their presidents to operate them as operating managers for the United States in accordance with his regulations and directions. The president promptly reported these events to Congress; but Congress took no action. It had provided other methods of dealing with such situations and had refused to authorize governmental seizures of property to settle labor disputes. The steel companies sued the Secretary in Federal District Court, praying for a declaratory judgment and injunctive relief. The District Court issued a preliminary injunction, which the Court of Appeals stayed. Held:

1. Although this case has proceeded no further than the preliminary injunction stage, it is ripe for determination of the constitutional validity of the Executive Order on the record presented. Pp. 584-585.

****

2. The Executive Order was not authorized by the Constitution or laws of the United States; and it cannot stand. Pp. 585-589.

(a) There is no statute which expressly or impliedly authorizes the President to take possession of this property as he did here. Pp. 585-586.

(b) In its consideration of the Taft-Hartley Act in 1947, Congress refused to authorize governmental seizures of property as a method of preventing work stoppages and settling labor disputes. P. 586.

(c) Authority of the President to issue such an order in the circumstances of this case cannot be implied from the aggregate of his powers under Article II of the Constitution. Pp. 587-589.

(d) The Order cannot properly be sustained as an exercise of the President's military power as commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. P. 587.

(e) Nor can the Order be sustained because of the several provisions of Article II which grant executive power to the President. Pp. 587-589.

(f) The power here sought to be exercised is the lawmaking power, which the Constitution vests in the Congress alone, in both good and bad times. Pp. 587-589.

(g) Even if it be true that other Presidents have taken possession of private business enterprises without congressional authority in order to settle labor disputes, Congress has not thereby lost its exclusive constitutional authority to make the laws necessary and proper to carry out all powers vested by the Constitution "in the Government of the United States, or any Department or Officer thereof." Pp. 588-589.

rest of case at linke above.

What does it mean? Here's an excerpt from http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Youngstown_Sheet_and_Tube_Co._v._Sawyer:

The Broader Implications of Youngstown Sheet and Tube Co. v. Sawyer

The Youngstown case is principally important today because it shows that the President does not have the authority to disregard the law, the Congress and the Courts in the name of national security. Often this proposition is uncontroversial, but the Bush Administration has made the assertion of unchecked executive authority one of its hallmarks.

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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:15 PM
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6. Thank you Mabus!
I remember the reference now.
:)
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:23 PM
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9. It is an important reference
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 02:25 PM by Mabus
because according to SCOTUS precedent a president cannot sign Executive Orders (presumably even secret ones) that are not authorized by the limitations of his constitutional powers even for "national security" reasons.

One of the most incredible things about Gore's speech is how concise he was. It was beautifully crafted, nary an extra word. It was beautiful in its ability to cover so many topics, so clearly and tying them all together in a manner and delivery such that it resonates to everyone. The man is an orator of the first degree.

on edit: not that stare decisis will mean anything with the current, and what looks to be the future, make-up of the Court. :grr:
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adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:18 PM
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7. The freepers are rumbling
they are talking about these threads, and trying to laugh it off, but they have to complain about a LOT of conservatives who support what Gore said, and a lot of conservative groups that are part of the group who hosted the speech today. The walls are closing in on them, and they feel it. Their snark is getting desperate, with such things as:

These conservatives will have a LOT to answer for.

About damn time.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:30 PM
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12. I just went over to have a look; they're
up to over 700 posts and counting. Perhaps they're not as disinterested as they want everyone to believe. But that really is a vile site.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:57 PM
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16. When Bob Barr introduces you....
and you quote him as in agreement with an investigation of POTUS for high crimes....you'd better believe there are conservatives with you....

Wouldn't this be a "kick in the pants:---Gore/Barr '08....(don't anybody drop dead...you know old Abe Lincoln, a Republican, had Andrew Johnson, a Southern Dem as his VP---wasn't that a kick in the teeth when the first pres after the civil war was a Southern Dem!) Personally, couldn't stomach too much of Barr's other conservative ideas...but, he is right on civil liberties.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:20 PM
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8. You are the BEST Viva! n/t
:hug:
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:23 PM
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10. Thanks! Great initiative.
:hug:

DemEx
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:24 PM
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11. Thanks
:D
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:32 PM
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13. Just say NO to Rex84, detention camps, Ops GardenPlot/CableSplicer
and Samuel Alito who probably had to have reviewed each of these plans that 'suspend the Constitution'.

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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:32 PM
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14. as i read gore's speech ...
these two paragraphs:

"For example, the President has also declared that he has a heretofore unrecognized inherent power to seize and imprison any American citizen that he alone determines to be a threat to our nation, and that, notwithstanding his American citizenship, the person imprisoned has no right to talk with a lawyer-even to argue that the President or his appointees have made a mistake and imprisoned the wrong person.

The President claims that he can imprison American citizens indefinitely for the rest of their lives without an arrest warrant, without notifying them about what charges have been filed against them, and without informing their families that they have been imprisoned."

are a repetition of hitler's germany, russia during communism, chile during pinochet, cuba during batista and also fidel castro.

these two paragraphs alone are enough to put fear in any one...but sadly america is still not listening!



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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 02:41 PM
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15. You're a Doll!
Thank you for placing all the linked threads to Al Gore's speech today!

:yourock:
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ArmchairMeme Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:01 PM
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17. Excellent Speech by Gore
He is such a great orator. I have missed that so much.

Also it was clear that he was not afraid of the people he was talking to during this speech, not only the people in the hall but all Americans! How very refreshing!!!
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 03:08 PM
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18. They just played a clip of the Shrub speaking about MLK...
He can't even freaking string together a coherent sentence!!

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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 07:32 PM
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19. Kick for the evening crew that missed all the fun...
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