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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:27 PM
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Thomas attacks Stevens in Hamdan opinion.
Thomas attacks Stevens in Hamdan opinion.

Justice Clarence Thomas refers to Justice John Paul Stevens’ “unfamiliarity with the realities of warfare” in his dissenting opinion. ACSBlog notes: “Stevens served in the U.S. Navy from 1942 to 1945, during World War II. Thomas’s official bio, by contrast, contains no experience of military service.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/29/thomas-attacks-stevens-in-hamdan-opinion/
http://www.acsblog.org/separation-of-powers-2923-guest-blogger-hamdan-and-the-youngstown-framework.html
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:37 PM
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1. typical chickenhawk to the Core
when is up going be up again and down being down? I am tired of living in the twilight wonderland.


Good evening kp

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:15 AM
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10. I expect right-wing pundits like Matthews and Russert to repeat
right-wing talking points, but when a Supreme Court justice fails to do his research, it's just downright embarrassing.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:43 PM
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33. But then unca
thomas has always been EMBARASSING!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 10:49 PM
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2. What the hell?
Thomas is an abomination.

His written opinions are said to be discombobulated and unprofessional. He's famous for acting like a horny frat boy, in the workplace--and he attends dinner parties at Rush Limbaugh's house.

Thomas is a joke. The only people who listen to him are the fringe nuts on the right.

Who in the hell is Thomas to question an experienced SC judges' opinion and call into question his military knowlege...especially when Thomas has NO military experience.

These people are so drunk on their own egos. They don't realize how foolish and freakish they sound.

Thomas is a petulant shill for the White House. He has no credibility and he certainly has no business commenting on a seasoned USSC justice and his decisions.

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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 11:03 PM
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3. Clarence Thomas is literally STUPID! He has the same business sitting
on the SCOTUS as the current squatter has occupying the White House.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 07:39 AM
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5. Don't get sore at Thomas: No doubt Scalia wrote it .. he just signed off
There's a good possibility he never even read it prior to its release.

:eyes:
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 07:55 AM
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6. Scalia's opinions are at least cogent
He is brilliant at rhetoric. If he was ghostwriting for Thomas, he'd have to dumb it down severely.

Note: I disagree with virtually everything Scalia's ever done or said, but I do give him credit for being brilliant.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:02 AM
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7. Not Me
He is just less shallow than the standard issue conservative. But, he's NOT brilliant. Just smart as two dimensional thinkers go. His primary judicial philosophy is one of what? Originalism. Right?

Originalism is a philosophy that says that the Constitution should be applied in a strict constructionist fashion (meaning you can't read into it, only read the words), but basing those applications on what the framers MEANT!

IOW, it means that you shouldn't interpret the constitution except that in order to apply it to anything you HAVE to interpret it by reading the minds of people who've been dead 200 years!

That is not the product of a brilliant mind.
The Professor
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:02 AM
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8. Dupe
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 08:03 AM by ProfessorGAC
.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:17 AM
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11. I think they've got Thomas by the short-hairs, literally.
Think about the pubic hair on the coke can story. I think the right-wingers back then KNEW Anita was telling the truth and they backed Thomas anyways. And now that he's in such a prominent position, they can expose him if he doesn't do exactly as they say.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:07 AM
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22. they would have to expose, then we'd have to impeach
It would take awhile, but it's doable.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:12 AM
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9. Par For the Course
This is par for the course with Republicans. They know the realities of war even though they did not join the military or fight in combat or in a war. They watched Rambo, so they know what really happens in war.

Those crazy Democrats who actually fought in wars do not really know what happens in war. You know those bullets in Vietnam that shot Kerry were fake bullets. You know Stevens cannot possibly know what happens during war. Come on he did a tour of duty on one of those fake ships. You know Rambo was real. If you watched Rambo you know what really happens in war. Other than that you do not know anything. :sarcasm:


These Republicans are beginning to remind me of the guy from the Staples commercial. That is the one in which the guy talks about their being an ink fairy. When his co-worker tell him to push the easy button; even though you could clearly see the button on the desk the man say "like those really exist". Republicans seem to be living in a fantasy world in which they believe their fake ideas about war and reject the realities of war that Democrats try to tell them about.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:21 AM
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12. WOW! So Shrub has now succeeded in generating infighting
between the SCOTUS judges too, along with making Americans hating each other!

What a raving success he is, huh?
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:24 AM
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13. Thomas knows how to write?
:shrug:
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Taliesihne Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:27 AM
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14. He actually refers to
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 08:29 AM by Taliesihne
The plurality on the case and not specifically Stevens.

Section II A, Third Paragraph

But this suggestion betrays the plurality's unfamiliarity with the realities of warfare and its willful blindness to our precedents


Slamming individual jurists is Scalia's turf and I imagine he'd have a hand gesture or two for someone that attempted to intrude on it. }(
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:35 AM
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15. It's no wonder that Thomas never opens his mouth.
Because when he does he reveals himself to be the idiot he is.

He should be impeached for lack of qualification for serving on the high court.

Or just for the fun of it.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:41 AM
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17. Stevens eviscerates Thomas in the footnotes.
Thomas is being vindictive.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:52 AM
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18. OOH, Supreme Court catfight! nt
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:41 AM
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16. Bill of Rights is Dependent upon an 86 year old man
The last line of defense for the Bill of Rights is Justice Stevens. The man is now 86 years old. Keep praying for his good health. Let's send him a couple cases of fresh fruits and vegetables.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:04 AM
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21. I said virtually the same thing to mr liberty last night...n/t
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:56 AM
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19. The hypocrisy is so consistent you'd almost suspect there's
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 08:58 AM by Sentinel Chicken
a genetic factor involved.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:00 AM
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20. Like Geraldo, Clarence has seen combat - on teevee
There are no words for the chutzpa of those chickenhawks
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MurrayDelph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:27 AM
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23. Actually, I think his experience is from watching movies about war
(here are some of the movies he may have watched):

Navy Girls Love Semen
Supergirls Do the Navy
Army Nurses in Heat
Bulging Babes at War
Nurses of the 407th
Debbie Goes to War
War and Piece
Army of Ass (1 through 10)
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:29 AM
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24. I didn't know Stevens was a WWII vet!
Well, he goes up another notch in my book!
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cain_7777 Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:30 AM
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25. Thomas has been drinking too much of his pube koolaid
Thomas is as disgusting as Scalia, and Alito will just be laughed at. What Douche bags!:puke:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 09:32 AM
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26. Thomas is unfamiliar with the Constitution & the Bill of Rights
Thomas sitting on the bench of the SC is akin to the idiot congressman who wants to legislate that the 10 commandments should be housed in court houses (he couldn't think of a more appropriate building to house them) because he feels that it is so important for people to know them, but then could only name (kind of) three of the ten.

The absurdiy of what we have become is mind numbing.
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Orion The Hunter Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:10 AM
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27. Clarence Thomas continues to be an embarassment
Man at least the other conservatives on the bench have brains in their heads!!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:23 AM
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29. Stupid, ignorant, insulting, treasonous.
I'm guessing he's a Republican.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:40 PM
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32. another chickenhawk neo-conservative with bloodlust
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:17 AM
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28. Stevens should wear his Bronze Star to their next meeting.

"In the Navy during World War II, he was assigned to the code-breaking effort, and awarded a Bronze Star."

http://www.nndb.com/people/850/000022784

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Serial Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:20 PM
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30. He shouldn't be on the court...
after what Anita Hill "exposed" about him, he would have been turned down for a job in any corporation, but yet gets confirmation to highest court in our government?

One of the things I remember about those hearings is - long dong silver - I guess he rides (speaks) again! Exposing his IGNORANCE!

Hahaha! :rofl:
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:46 PM
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34. remember at the time there were NO women on the committee
I assumed that nearly all the men in the hearing room thought of some 'joke' they'd made in the past that could come back to haunt them.

To some extent, I've always thought the vote to confirm was at least 50% 'we guys have to support each other; good grief, can't women take a joke'.

One very interesting aspect was the number of women journalists covering the hearing. That reflected a major change from the 60s when supposedly 'everyone knew about JFK's sexcapades but no guy would report it.'

Another very interesting effect of the hearings was the number of women 50 and older who were apparently empowered by the fact that sexual harassment was being publicly talked about. I heard women 50 and older in church and at the library talk about their earlier working experiences when they just had to 'take it' because 'that's the way it is in the work world.'
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 12:42 AM
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38. In 1992
I went to DC for the "March for Choice", which took place during Poppy's reign. At the time, they were saying it was the biggest demonstation in the history of DC. People who otherwise never had demonstated before showed up for that one, and over and over, I kept hearing people say, "Ever since Anita Hill..."
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dave123williams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 12:34 PM
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31. I believe he won the Bronze Star to boot...
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:50 PM
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35. When was the last time
Thomas wrote a seperate opinion? Can anyone help me out here?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 02:53 PM
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36. good lord. they all give new definition to "barking mad" don't they nt
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lisby Donating Member (254 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 06:38 PM
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37. Blah
I almost gagged on my own spew after reading that....

:puke:

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coda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 01:34 AM
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39. SCJ Thomas' "familiarity with the realities of warfare" ...
...comes from his never having missed an episode of

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: "24" :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: .


That purty much trumps the rest of the pikers.

What an UltraMaroon

-

Conservative Lovefest for '24'

What Do Clarence Thomas, Michael Chertoff and Rush Limbaugh See in the Terror Fighter Show


By JAKE TAPPER

WASHINGTON, June 23, 2006 — It's not unusual for hit TV shows to attract fans and draw crowds at fan conventions…. such as for ABC's "Lost," or CBS's "CSI." But in Washington today, there was a fan convention that was a tad unusual.

At the Ronald Reagan International Trade Center, the Heritage Foundation hosted a forum on the hit FOX-TV show "24" that can only be described as adulatory. Though the panel featured homeland security experts, the co-creators of "24" and three of the show's stars to purportedly discuss "'24' and America's Image in Fighting Terrorism: Fact, Fiction, or Does it Matter?" the event became a love-fest — a lofty, intellectual, probing one, but a love-fest nonetheless, with the amphitheater packed with rows and rows of the show's fans from the city's conservative power structure.

Front row center sat Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff gave the opening remarks. And it was a chance to see Rush gush.

"I am literally in awe of the creativity of the brains behind the program," said conservative talk radio icon Rush Limbaugh, who moderated the panel. "The vice president's a huge fan. Secretary (Donald) Rumsfeld's a huge fan."


http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2112624&page=1


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