rethugs that were not patriotic enough to serve their country

[kentjay44]

denis hasturd,tom delay,roy blount,bill frist,mitch mcconnell,rick snatorum,trent lott,dick cheney,karl rove,newt gingrich,richard sheby,jon kyl,tim hutchinson,chris co,saxy chamblis,paul wolfowitz,richard perle,doug fieth,condi rice,dana rorchbacher,darrell issa,todd platts,george will,bill o`reilly,bill bennett,pat buchanan,rush limpbaugh,michael savage,bill kristol,pat roberts,sean hannity,ralph reed,ken melhmen,george f. allen.this is for you info.sorry it was so long but i had to out the hypocrites.list not complete.peace,kj

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1. List

You have only scratched the surface ....

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[AlCzervik]

2. they are jingoistic.

[TheCowsCameHome]

4. It's easier to send someone elses kid off to die.....................

[CottonBear]

5. A more complete list:

Who served, and who didn't?

Democrats

Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71
David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V Purple Hearts
John Edwards: did not serve
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star &Bronze Star, Vietnam
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-79; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII, receiving the Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars, and Soldier's Medal
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart
Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Chuck Robb: Vietnam
Howell Heflin: Silver Star
George McGovern: Silver Star &DFC during WWII
Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received 311
Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-53
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and Air Medal with 18 Clusters
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg
Wesley Clark: U.S. Army, 1966-2000, West Point, Vietnam, Purple Heart, Silver Star. Retired 4-star general
John Dingell: WWII vet
John Conyers: Army 1950-57, Korea


NOW FOR THE EYE (and hopefully MIND) OPENER!:

Republicans
Dennis Hastert: did not serve
Tom Delay: did not serve
House Whip Roy Blunt: did not serve
Bill Frist: did not serve
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve
George Pataki: did not serve
Mitch McConnell: did not serve
Rick Santorum: did not serve
Trent Lott: did not serve
Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
Jeb Bush: did not serve
Karl Rove: did not serve
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve because of "bad knee." He's the man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve
Vin Weber: did not serve
Richard Perle: did not serve
Douglas Feith: did not serve
Eliot Abrams: did not serve
Richard Shelby: did not serve
Jon Kyl: did not serve
Tim Hutchison: did not serve
Christopher Cox: did not serve
Newt Gingrich: did not serve
Don Rumsfeld: served in peacetime Navy (1954-57) as aviator and flight instructor
George W. Bush: six-year Nat'l Guard commitment (incomplete)
Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non-combat role making movies
Gerald Ford: Navy, WWII
Phil Gramm: did not serve
John McCain: Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross
Bob Dole: an honorable veteran
Chuck Hagel: two Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star, Vietnam
Jeff Sessions: Army Reserves, 1973-86
JC Watts: did not serve
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer
G.H.W. Bush: Pilot in WWII. Shot down by the Japanese
Tom Ridge: Bronze Star for Valor in Vietnam
Antonin Scalia: did not serve
Clarence Thomas: did not serve

Pundits and Preachers

Sean Hannity: did not serve
Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve
Michael Savage: did not serve
George Will: did not serve
Chris Matthews: did not serve
Paul Gigot: did not serve
Bill Bennett: did not serve
Pat Buchanan: did not serve
Bill Kristol: did not serve
Kenneth Starr: did not serve
Michael Medved: did not serve

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Welcome to DU kentjay44! :hi:

[nealmhughes]

6. Senator Heflin died last year.

He was formerly Chief Justice of the Alabama Supreme Court who led to a complete reorganization of the Alabama judiciary to international accalades. I used to see him at church every couple of weeks after he retired. He was a hoot! Does anyone remember pulling a pair of his wife's panties out of his jacket pocket that he had thought was a hankie?!

[Hugin]

7. LOL!

:rofl:

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[CottonBear]

10. You're very welcome.

Welcome to DU! :hi: We're glad you're here! :hi:

The list is several years old. I copied and pasted it. There needs to be an update. However, it's a good starting point. Most NeoCon Rethugs are chickenhawks.

[Vidar]

13. It would be nice to see some version of this in th NYT's reply

to republican allegations against them.

[Sailor for Warner]

14. We have gone around on this list before

And I posted that it is decieving and a little dishonest. There a plenty of Dems who never served. There are plenty of Repubs who served, all in all the score is alot closer. Granted that there is irony in a person who has never served to call for war, but it is not unheard of (see: FDR)

[CottonBear]

16. I don't recall having ever discussed this list with you since June 8, 2006

This list includes the major political players and pundits in the US.

Exactly what is "decieving and a little dishonest" about the list?

We are not talking about FDR or WWI or WWII, we are talking about today and, more specifically, Republican chickenhawks.

[RagAss]

9. kicked....sounds like a mass mailing to me............

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[B Calm]

12. Rush Limbaugh couldn't stop the ingrown hair follicle on his butt

from messing up his life and serving his country. I'm certain if not for that damn hair follicle, Rush would have fought and died in Vietnam. Not Fair!

[Sailor for Warner]

15. The counterpoint to both lists in this thread...

Republicans

-John Bolton was in the National Guard during 'Nam but was not called up (not due to family connections, he was the son of a fireman)

-Rumsfeld was a Naval Reservist, serving until 1989 retiring as a 0-6 Captain.

-Bob Dole was a highly decorated war hero in WW2 earning 2 purple hearts and a bronze star.

-Oliver North, LTCOL Marine Corps silver star, bronze star, 2 purple hearts, vietnam.

-Ben Nighthorse Cambell, US Air Force, Korea, Air Medal (Former Dem)

-Pete Wilson, USMC 1955-58

-Barry Goldwater, USAAC/USAF, Retired as a Major General

-Ronald Regan, US Army 1935-41, Propaganda/Moral films, combat disqualification

-Gerald Ford, US Navy WW2

-Richard Nixon, LCDR US Navy, WW2, Supply Corps, South Pacific

-George HW Bush, Youngest Naval Aviator, 1943-45 Shot Down twice, sunk 4 enemy ships, participated in Wake Island, Bonin Island, and Phillipine Campaigns, 3 Distinguished Flying Crosses, 3 air medals.

-Phil Grahm and Richard Shelby started as Dems

Dems:
-Nancy Pelosi, Barbra Boxer, Mark Warner, Howard Dean, Bob Graham, Chuck Schumer, Keith Olberman,
Pat Leahy, Dick Durbin, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Joe Biden, did not serve.

-Jed Bartlett did not serve but Mat Santos sure did

[CottonBear]

17. Nixon & North were/are criminals.

We do not know Olberman's affiliation. In any case, pundits are in a separate category.

We are discussing current and very recent members of congress and current pundits, not retired or dead people (except for presidents).

Why does it not surprise me that John Bolton managed not to serve in combat.

Ronald Reagan is the correct spelling. Or did you mean Donald Regan?

Phil Grahm and Richard Shelby are Republicans.

[Sailor for Warner]

18. Phil Grahm and Richard Shelby began as Democrats

as in they used to be dems, for clarity's sake.

[Sailor for Warner]

19. You have McGovern, Glenn, and a few others on there

Who look pretty retired to me.

Ted Kennedy did a good job at not serving in Korea (In fact he spent it in Paris)

Sorry about attcking the list blindly, I see that the list has hence changed. I dont think that the "service" argument is a valid one, call a chickenhawk a chickenhawk but dont lump a party together in the "coward" category. Repubs and Dems both served honorable in the military and plenty on both sides found ways out of the service. I am sorry I was as harsh initially, I really hate this whole debate. My bad :(.

[Maestro]

20. Don't forget Randy "Duke" Cunningham

who was a decorated ace Vietnam pilot but who had a problem accepting bribes.

[Sailor for Warner]

21. Once again

proving that this argument is kinda silly in alot of ways. honorable military service does not mean honorable political service.

[Maestro]

22. You're right

but that is not the way the neocons play it. They expect military vets to be pro-war no matter what and go into hysterics when a vet comes out against this admin. So we like to point out that very few of the current asshats that support this Iraq debacle have any military experience. And the ones that have and are rethuglican sometimes, like in the case of Cunningham, show themselves to be less than honorable.