Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

ACLU Seeks Information About Govt. Use of Brain Scanners in Interrogations

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:46 PM
Original message
ACLU Seeks Information About Govt. Use of Brain Scanners in Interrogations
(Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, I find this a the ACLU website)

ACLU Seeks Information About Government Use of Brain Scanners in Interrogations


(6/28/2006)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: media@aclu.org

Group Says Technology Should Not Be Deployed Until It Is Proven Effective

NEW YORK-- In the face of suspicions that the government is using cutting-edge brain-scanning technologies on suspected terrorists being held overseas or at home, the American Civil Liberties Union today announced that it has filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests with all the primary American security agencies.

"There are certain things that have such powerful implications for our society -- and for humanity at large -- that we have a right to know how they are being used so that we can grapple with them as a democratic society," said Barry Steinhardt, Director of the ACLU's Technology and Liberty Project. "These brain-scanning technologies are far from ready for forensic uses and if deployed will inevitably be misused and misunderstood."

The most likely technology to be used for anti-terrorism purposes is Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI), which can produce live, real-time images of people's brains as they answer questions, view images, listen to sounds, and respond to other stimuli. Two private companies have announced that they will begin to offer "lie detection" services using fMRI as early as this summer. These companies are marketing their services to federal government agencies, including the Department of Defense, Department of Justice, the National Security Agency and the CIA, and to state and local police departments.

"This technology must not be deployed until it is proven effective -- and we are a long way away from that point, according to scientists in the field," said Steinhardt. "What we don't want is to open our newspapers and find that another innocent person has been thrown into Guantánamo because interrogators have jumped to conclusions based on a technology no one understands very well."

Experts in the field say that the science to back up any reliable use of fMRI as a "lie detector" or "mind reader" simply does not exist. At most, correlations have been observed between certain brain patterns and particular, highly controlled behaviors produced in laboratory experiments. But experts note that these early experiments on a few American college students are a long way from real-world settings, involving individuals in widely varying situations and with widely varying cultures, intelligence levels and states of mind.

The ACLU's FOIA requests were filed yesterday with the Pentagon, NSA, CIA, FBI and Department of Homeland Security.

"These brain-scanning technologies have potentially far-reaching implications, yet uncertain results and effectiveness," said Steinhardt. "And we are still in our infancy when it comes to understanding the underlying processes of the brain that the scanners have begun to reveal. We do not want to see our government yet again deploying a potentially momentous technology unilaterally and in secret, before Americans have had a chance to figure out how it fits in with our values as a nation."

The ACLU’s FOIA request is available online at .

A video of an ACLU-sponsored forum featuring experts discussing the use of fMRI as a “lie detector” is online at .

<http://www.aclu.org/privacy/medical/26035prs20060628.html>

I also posted this in Editorials & Other Articles, but I hope the higher traffic here in GD will get this important Press Release seen: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=219651&mesg_id=219651>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 02:50 PM
Response to Original message
1. I love the ACLU!
Nobody else stands up for civil rights as well as the ACLU! I'm a card carrying member. Are you?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Yes. The ACLU Needs All the Help They Can Get
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 03:05 PM
Response to Original message
2. I can see endless uses for these things.
At the door to the Capital for one. Every Congressman would have to be run throw it and the WH looks like a food mall of pickings. First lets see if they are safe.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-29-06 05:40 PM
Response to Original message
4. kick n/t
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 01:23 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. Kick please.
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:46 AM
Response to Original message
6. Can we use it on politicians too?
In the 2008 presidential debates we can hook the candidates up and watch their brainwaves as they answer questions. Something they should think about before they make it legal to use this crap on us.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. I'm afraid that, if you hooked up most Republicans candidates to it...
...you would think their machine wasn't working, due to so little brain activity.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 06:21 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. LOL
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 11:16 AM
Response to Original message
8. Michael Revok?
Edited on Fri Jun-30-06 11:17 AM by AngryAmish
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-30-06 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. Gosh, I hope these aren't those type of scanner.
BTW, you wouldn't happen to know of an easy to use/learn program for making small animated Gif or smilie files from a video clip, would you.

I'd love to make one from the Scanners, Exploding head clip.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. I don't know of any programs
Edited on Sat Jul-01-06 09:43 AM by AngryAmish
I have seen a few gifs of the scene. Google?

on edit

Look at this page

At the bottom is a neat gif of the scene. right clip and hit "save as" and you have the gif!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-01-06 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Thanks! That's exactly what I wanted.
I'm going to save it for the next mind-blowingly stupid thing the Bush Cabal does.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Mon Apr 29th 2024, 02:03 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC