CNN runs article swiftboating Kerry's supporters (CNN should be boycotted)

[ProSense]

Kerry's war

Thursday, June 29, 2006; Posted: 11:42 a.m. EDT (15:42 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CREATORS) -- The comic career of Senator Jean-Francois Kerry is picking up steam, or gas, as the case may be. This inveterate windbag is, according to the New York Times, reopening the Swift Boat controversy of 2004 that did such damage to his presidential prospects when hundreds of the Vietnam War veterans who served with him deflated his reckless boasts of military gloire. He has undertaken this quixotic mission claiming that he can repristinate his military record despite the Swifties' evidence against it. Then the delusory senator from Massachusetts seems to think he will be a shoo-in for the presidency in 2008.

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Kerry's statement is long and lurid, and the Swifties gladly reproduced a tape of it during the 2004 election. Now these veterans are being harassed by the senator's supporters with crank calls in the night and venomous postings on the liberal website HuffingtonPost.com. On that celebrity-ridden site the names and personal information of more than a dozen Swift Boat veterans were posted by such "trusted" Huffington Post celebrities as "SatanLivesinUSA." Could this be Barbra Streisand's username? At any rate, this eminence wrote on June 24: "SwiftBoatVets who need some Black Ops done on them. I have some very good ideas I gleaned from 'CIA BOOK of DIRTY TRICKS' Don't get mad, get EVEN." Minutes later another "trusted" celebrity poster repeatedly pasted these threatening words on the page and on another Huffington Post post.

The American Spectator's indefatigable reporter, Dave Holman, found all this and reports that "Aside from one or two complaints, fellow commenters did not object to the posting of the information or the threats." Within hours the veterans were receiving threatening calls. In the early hours of June 25 one Swiftie, Van Odell, got three in four minutes, the last from a man who inquired, "I want to know why you lied about John Kerry . Traitors must die. We will get you." Holman notes that the Swifties have reported these calls to law enforcement but that they had no luck in getting HuffingtonPost to address the harassment. The comments remained posted until Holman reached Katharine Zaleski, the site's news editor, on Tuesday afternoon at her unlisted telephone number. As I say, Holman is indefatigable.

more...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/06/29/tyrrell.kerry/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Note: The same article surfaced a few weeks ago, but it has been updated to include the smear on supporters!

[blm]

1. Make no doubt about it - they are LYING about US - none of us ever went

after the swifts' personal info. And Amanda Doss was not a swiftvet - she is a political operative.

WE are the Kerry supporters who went after CNN for obliging Tyrrel's hateful lies, and now he is getting us back and CNN is letting him do it.

Please help us counter the lies against us. They likely put up their own info on HuffPost and tried to pretend they were Kerry supporters - for the record, few of us have even been able to get ANY response put up at Huff for any of their articles, including in response to Kerry's postings, while swifts have had carte blanche there.

Something is wrong, and WE are the ones being targeted.

Please stick by us and refute these lies when they pop up. NONE of us did what we are being accused of.

[beachmom]

5. This is a multi-pronged attack -- supporters of ALL candidates

need to take note -- you might be next. Please stick up for us. This is typical SwiftBoat lies -- they accuse us of something that is difficult to disprove given the anonymous nature of blog posters. They make the victims -- Swift Vets -- ONCE AGAIN. But you know us Kerry supporters, and we would NEVER do something like that. We'd rather use our time to defend Kerry, and go after the LIES THEMSELVES, not bother calling the Swifties. It's just not in me or any Kerry supporter I know to do this. It sounds like the job of . . . the Right. Remember back when Michelle Malkin printed the names and addresses of those anti-war protesters? So we KNOW they're capable of doing that, and they've done this now.

More broadly, this is an attack on the liberal blogosphere (for which DailyKos gave it a lot of publicity) and the Huff Post in particular. Remember Karl Rove dismissed the liberal blogosphere a couple of weeks ago? Well, you know he uses different tactics to try to destroy us, and this is the underhanded part of it.

[YvonneCa]

10. I just e-mailed CNN...

...and asked "What kind of crap is this, and why are you posting it NOW?:patriot:

[liberaldemocrat7]

64. I have not watched CNN since December 2005.

I did watch CNN about a week ago when Larry King interviewed Vice President Gore and promptly turned back to CSPAN after the interview concluded.

CNN in my view appears a sewer of genteel right wingers like Wolf Blitzer, Lou Dobbs and a lot of former GHW Bush cabinet officials and former Ronald Reagan former officials.

I do not watch MSNBC either. I watch CSPAN and NBC Evening News as Brian Williams once worked for Jimmy Carter.

Join the Liberal Democratic Party of the United States of America.

http://groups.myspace.com/liberaldemocraticpartyoftheunitedstatesofamerica

[emulatorloo]

2. "Senator Jean-Francois Kerry" ????????

That is despicable idiotic and should not be hosted by CNN

[bunkerbuster1]

20. Could he be a little more childish?

This is third-rate Freepish, not English.

[Dan P]

29. Just one of many lies in that piece of crap

http:/www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2005/06/07/kerry_allows_navy_release_of_military_medical_records/]

Anyone know how to contact that sleazemerchant?

Also, I'd like to know where on HuffPo this information is allegedly posted?

[newyawker99]

54. Hi Dan P!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[tbyg52]

73. Hey!

Somebody even newer than I am (which is very)! Welcome! (Awwww.....! My first welcome!) People are very friendly here! :patriot:

[tbyg52]

72. I am appalled...

That any so-called news organization would allow that to pass. What's next? "Nya, nya" and "Nanny, nanny, boo boo"?

[rumpel]

3. It says

"R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr. is a nationally syndicated columnist."

and

"Click here for more from Creators Syndicate."

anyone know what "Creators Syndicate" is?

Quite amazing -

[starroute]

39. R. Emmett Tyrrell

Checking my files for Tyrrell, I find this -- which I saved a while ago and can't find online now:

The American Spectator magazine humbly begins its long, money-losing career as an off-campus sheet, called The Alternative, at the University of Indiana. The brainchild of trust fund baby R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr, The Alternative generates little excitement outside a small elite group; its heavy-handed swipes at peace-niks, feminists, liberals, environmentalists, as well as its pretentiously Anglo-philic cultural criticism, are meant to provide a critique of current leftist counterculture, embodied by magazines like Rolling Stone, and a literary venue for young conservatives intellectuals.

Tyrell’s inherited wealth allows him to indulge this vanity full-time, and The Alternative becomes the American Spectator. Despite its strong editorial commitment to capitalist enterprise, however, the American Spectator survives only because Tyrell and business partner set up a non-profit entity- the American Spectator Educational Foundation- to publish it. Besides avoiding taxes, this arrangement allows Tyrell to seek grants from like-minded individuals, philanthropists and foundations.

I also find references to him being deeply involved in the get-Clinton conspiracy of the 90's, when he was closely tied in with Regnery Publishing and the Scaife foundations.

Tyrrell seems to be one of the long-time gang of political dirty tricksters that came out of YAF in the 60's and 70's, but a bit more elitist and perhaps even nastier than most.

[Chiyo-chichi]

46. Don't know what source that is from, but

it's "Indiana University," not the "University of Indiana."

Secondly.... we don't want to claim him as an alumnus.

[karynnj]

61. As an IU alumni< I'm amazed how often it's said like that

I graduated in 1972 and remember seeing the paper. I was fascinated by the various unground newspapers - but was amazed they even tried to sell that one. In 1970 or 1971, IU actually had a vote on getting out of VN - it was about 95%.

[Roland99]

4. Op/Ed piece from "The American Spectator's indefatigable reporter"

ooof.

[rumpel]

7. On Creator's Syndicate

http://mediamatters.org/items/200412070002

It has come to our attention at Media Matters for America that Creators Syndicate has distributed Sam Francis's recent column, in which he decried the interracial casting of an ABC Monday Night Football promotional spot. In the column, Francis described the ad's suggestion of an interracial sexual relationship as "an intentional act of moral subversion."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creators_Syndicate

:puke:

[karynnj]

37. Not even Noting that he is the editor

no disclosure problem there?

[Ksec]

6. I believe the swiftboat drunks are fair game, personal lives included.

When you face an opponent playing hardball, play hardball too.

These lowlifes dont deserve toi be treated with kid gloves. They lied and smeared Kerrys reputation. They should get the same. (without resorting to lying, truth is enough)

[beachmom]

8. I'm not sure you understand. WE, the Kerry online supporters are

being accused of doing this. And I have to say I disagree with you. Do I think these guys should be shunned in their own communities? Yes. But I would NEVER call someone and make harassing statements, and neither would any Kerry supporter I know. It reflects BADLY on Kerry if we were that kind of people. This is character assassination not just of us, but of the whole liberal blogosphere. Be warned of what is to come online . . .

[Ksec]

14. I agree we should not be making calls and terrorist threats

I still say we should go after them personally and open it up for people to judge them by.. They chose to go public when they lied about Kerry and ruined his reputation. Public figures who do such venomous acts deserve the same. Maybe if we started playing hardball with these guys, these lying swiftboat tactics and the recoil they cause would make pulling these things off much tougher. If people know the backlash can be as damaging to them as the smear is to the recipient, theyll think twice before doing such things.

[blm]

9. Sure they deserve it, but NONE OF US DID THIS. You all know us - we are

resilient supporters but we fight using FACTS, not sociopathic schemes.

Most of us can't even get through on HuffPost - we called out CNN for obliging Tyrrell's screed a few weeks ago.

The swifts went after Kerry on HIS posting at Huff on Iraq. None of us could even get in to the comment thread, and it was completely peppered with swifts.

They are LYING - this time it is Kerry's internet supporters being targeted with a set up.

[beachmom]

11. You're right about posting on Huff Post

The only time my comment got through in any timely fashion was when I was supporting Jim Webb in response to Kerry's endorsement post of Webb. Besides that comment, it would literally take TWO DAYS before my comment would show up. My guess is it's a bunch of Young Republican hackers who did this thing from start to finish.

[karynnj]

40. I think I've never gotten anything up

in less than 8 hours. It kind of offends me that posters using vile language and shouting slogans det in minutes after a post is made and my posts that are at least free of obsenities and try to be logical are held for hours. (On some days, I wonder if Ariana has referted back to her RW side.)

[rumpel]

12. It would be interesting to do a fact check on their claims n/t

[karynnj]

38. They should not be harrassed though

[blogslut]

13. Personal info my ass

Bloggers got Amanda Doss' info from her WHOIS profile. If she wanted her privacy protected, she should have paid the extra 5 bucks for private domain registration.

[blm]

15. It's some swifts claiming we are harrassing them and it is simply UNTRUE.

If it were any internet supporters of Kerry doing this, WE would know about it, somehow. This is a complete fabrication, and it is meant to discredit us as a group.

[blogslut]

30. I agree

Harrassing phone calls are wrong. I also believe the swifties are making this stuff up because that's what swifties do.

However, if these whiny babies wanted to shield themselves from such attacks, then they should do a better job at protecting their privacy. When they put personal info on a public WHOIS profile or list their home phone numbers on a public site or mailing list, they leave themselves wide open to any crazy out there.

[xenu]

59. not true

Ethics have to be consistent. What is more, people's addresses and phone numbers are often published without their consent, such as when loser criminals procure them from credit card information that ought to be private. Just because someone's information appears on a site doesn't mean they authorized or approved it.

Regardless, one ought to behave the same toward everyone, regardless of their politics, if one believes that ethics ought to hold any authority at all.

[blogslut]

67. I agree

I am not advocating that people harrass someone just because personal info is made public.

Personally, my theory is that the person on HuffPo that posted that personal info, had that info because they were a swiftie in the first place. I think it was a total setup.

[Jack Rabbit]

63. You are correct, blogspot

It's hard to feel sorry for these sorry asses, but harrassing them is wrong.

Nevertheless, it doesn't make them right. One should also wonder why Mr. Tyrrell is raising this red herring.

[rumpel]

16. How about countering the article with actual facts

before boycotting.

Opportunity to have CNN post real opinion/editorial - not propaganda - and falsehoods

[tanyev]

17. Sounds much more like the tactics RWers use.

A little "ratfucking", perhaps?

[Sapere aude]

18. Kerry does look a little foolish since he did not fight this when it

happened.

I am not an anti Kerry person, I was very anxiously hoping to see him debate Bush a whole year before the election season, I voted for him in the primaries and in the general election and if he is the candidate in 2008 I would vote for him again.

I am more than a little disappointed that he did not fight harder against this when it happened before the election. I understand that the media was in Bush's pocket but like Clinton the attacks kept coming yet there was no response. It hurt really bad because I am a Vietnam vet and I supported what Kerry said after he came back from the war as did most of us vets. The swift boaters represent a very small percent of Vietnam vets but because of the Iraq war controversy they used that platform to rehash Vietnam and reinvent the history of that time.

So to fight now looks suspect as does what he meant when he said that all the votes would be counted. I thought he meant they would be counted on election day not afterward. In both cases the horses are out of the barn by now. Kerry is hurting his own credibility with people like me.

[politicasista]

23. No, the Democrats that sat on their tails instead of backing him up

look stupid. How come no one on the left asks where were they when the Smear Boat jerks made their rounds? I know the General, Cleland, and a few others were there, but the rest SHOULD have been on every network debunking the lies.

The main point here is not only are they smearing Kerry's supporters, but the entire liberal blogsphere. If you think they won't smear any Dem, clean or not, then you are in for a rude awakening. If they did it to Gore, Kerry, Murtha, they will do it to anyone.

[Sapere aude]

25. I agree they will do it to anyone. I don't understand how they get to

define us all the time. Like the words, "cut and run" We are constantly on the defensive. We have to constantly say that their definition of us is not accurate. Why don't we begin to define ourselves and make it as strong in the public's mind as theirs is.

The right is always on the attack and we are always on the defensive. Offense is the name of the game and we need to learn how to play. Fighting the 2004 election campaign today seems a waste of energy. Learn from it and do better in 2008.

[ProSense]

31. CNN and the rest of the media need to be held accountable!

There are a lot of people completely oblivious to any not reported by CNN, MSNBC and FOX. For that reason, media complicity is extremely dangerous!

[blm]

32. He's doing exactly as you say - they are studying it from every angle,

including the media complicity, in an effort to protect any vet attacked by the RW machine. The Patriot Project.

And why it happens? You think BushInc's corporate allies spent all those billions buying up control over most broadcast media throughout the 80s and 90s for nothing? You think Clinton got impeached because he committed a crime of office? He got impeached because the media was pushing for it.

[karynnj]

43. As you said they have the media in their pocket

This is not fighting the 2004 campaign. Anu 2008 candidate will get something similar - obviously not Vietnam, but something. In 2003, no one in their right mind would have thought Kerry had a problem for his service - he went and was a hero.

[blm]

28. Kerry's friends USED what they learned about swift tactics to put in place

an infrastructure that can counter groups like the swifts who attack veterans running as Dem camdidates. You think that's not a credible action to take? People shouldn't USE what they learn as a template to protect others from similar treatment?

It's called The Patriot Project - easy to google.

Kerry DID refute the swifts - check out the facts in the DU Research Forum. The media was completely complicit as they roundly ignored every time Kerry or his people counterattacked the swifts.

[Sapere aude]

35. Thanks for the input, I'll look it up and I hope for a better outcome in

2008. From my point of view I don't see too much to cheer about yet. I saw Kos on Meet the Press and he talked about how much advanced the right wing noise machine was over ours and how we need to do better. I heard that millions of Black and minority votes won't be allowed or counted in 2006 again. We are still using computers to count votes.

I sure hope these efforts pay off in a fair election. But as I said, I have little hope of that happening.

[karynnj]

42. Maybe we should email this to the group of Kerry allies

in the Pratriot group that was put together to deal with precisely this. It is sad that people like you are indirectly hurt when they are trying to hit Kerry.

There is a thread on the Resarch group of Kerry's responses to the SBVT - they did respond - the media simply didn't carry it or muted it. They gave far more time to the SBVT even after a huge number of their charges were disproved. (Compare to how they handled the TANG charges - where the official records DON'T back Bush) Kerry was the victim here.

[ProSense]

45. Great idea!

Patriot Project News
June 29, 2006

Who's Attacking Jack Murtha?

A quick read of this linked post continues to clarify the story of how Jack Murtha is facing the same smear tactics that John Kerry endured in 2004. In fact, not only is it the same tactics, in some cases, it's the exact same people. Kudos to Taylor Marsh for following this story.

Posted by James Boyce at June 29, 2006 10:21 AM

http://www.patriotproject.com/

Send them everything!

[beachmom]

47. That is a good idea, Karynnj

I tell you, this has now hit a bit too close to home. At first I thought they were just going after Huff Post, but with this new article, we all have to realize that NO ONE is safe from the Right's wrath.

[LittleClarkie]

66. The most recent fight was initiated by supporters, not him

as far as I understood. He's supporting it, and also has hired a researcher to comb the Navy's records for more evidence.

I don't consider it suspect that he's picked now to do this. I don't really consider his timing any of my business. This is when he feels like doing it. Perhaps he considered other things to be first priority. I dunno. But it's his record, and if he wants to defend it now, more power to him.

I just don't appreciate the 2004 election flashbacks I'm getting from this article. I still remember being so angry I was crying because the same people who always say "support the troops" were making fun of both Kerry and Max Cleland during the election. Imagine someone singing "B-double-E-double-R-U-N" in regard to a triple amputee, because that's why they think he lost his limbs. They were ready to give the Gitmo and Abu Ghraib soldiers every benefit of the doubt because they'd never been to Iraq and didn't know what it was like. Well, neither had they been to Vietnam. Oh, GOD I used to get so pissed.

I don't much appreiate getting that feeling back. I hope Kerry, now that he's not being held back by advisers and campaign managers, pounds these people into the ground.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

19. Feedback to CNN dot com

Subject: Publishing Smears: "Kerry's war" by R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr


Why in the world would you publish such total garbage at CNN.com???

The Swift Boat Liars have been thoroughly discredited by reliable people.

John Kerry has every right to bring it up. The liars and slanderers have no such right to continue to smear him.

Surely your people know this smear against Kerry was a part of a pattern, a Rovesque pattern of smears against people such as Max Cleland a quadraplegic war veteran, and John McCain who was a POW for years in Vietnam.

Now this slimey article smears not only John Kerry, but also his supporters.

Are you all trying to please Senator Frist since he blamed you for the lack of popularity of the GOP?

He is wrong, it is all their own fault.

This must stop. There is a huge difference between valid editorial or columnist opinion, and pure written garbage.

This article is the latter.

[ProSense]

21. Excellent! Thank you! n/t

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

24. Welcome. Thanks. I was livid! n/t

[karynnj]

44. Nice job

[originalpckelly]

22. Remember Daryn Kagan dated Rush Limpballs...

I certainly know should wouldn't be able to hold back vomit if she was a Democrat, so she is either a center-right or right person.

[Humor_In_Cuneiform]

27. Or a celebrity chaser perhaps.

[ProSense]

26. Author is quoting his own wingnut rag as if it's an independent source!

The American Spectator is a conservative U.S. monthly magazine covering news and politics, edited by R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr. and published by the non-profit American Spectator Foundation. From its founding in 1967 until the late 1980s, the small-circulation magazine featured the writings of authors such as Thomas Sowell, Tom Wolfe, P.J. O'Rourke, George F. Will, Patrick J. Buchanan, Alex Linder and Malcolm Muggeridge, although today the magazine is best known for its attacks in the 1990s on Bill Clinton and its "Arkansas Project" to discredit the president, funded by billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife and the Bradley Foundation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Spectator

[Bretttido]

33. Wrote a message to CNN, I advise everyone else to do the same

It takes only a minute and they WILL read and notice the attention.

[LittleClarkie]

49. Done. But will they figure that bad reactions are good

because it means people are paying attention to them?

[TahitiNut]

34. Bob Tyrell is a Scaife-funded professional liar and propagandist

He 'founded' the American Spectator (of "Arkansas Project" fame), a 'fellow' at the Hudson Institute (a septic tank), and 'editor' at the New York Sun (cheap toilet paper supported by AEI). He's scum - a total reichbot.

[ProSense]

36. Also posted on

Daily Kos

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/6/29/134345/876

[Kingofalldems]

41. R. Emmett Tyrell

Another chickenhawk/fake tough guy.

[LittleClarkie]

48. I'm sitting here THIS close to tears. I'd cry, but I'm at work. I wrote:

"Good lord. Today's commentary from R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr. is heartbreaking. He talks about veterans being used to attacks in referring to the Swift Vets for "Truth" and yet seems to forget that John Kerry is also a veteran.

I thought we were past such childish taunts as making John FORBES Kerry's middle name sound as French as possible. The Swift Veteran for "Truth" have been discredited by the men who were on the boat with John Kerry, the men who's lives were saved, the MEN WHO WERE RIGHT THERE, DAMN IT! Not some officer with a bone to pick. Not someone who was several yards away. Or don't the words of enlisted men count over those of officers?

My father was a Navy veteran, and I don't appreciate the continued slander of a fellow Navy man as if the Navy didn't know how to give out a medal. Should I return my father's medals then. Apparently a medal from the Navy doesn't mean anything.

Enough gentlemen. Finally, it is enough. John Kerry is an honorable man. I wish I could say the same for his detractors or anyone who would give those detractors the time of day.

You've lost a reader. And if I can help it, you've lost more than one."

FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING FUCKS!!!

[goreo8]

50. Not to change the subject but

I was flipping channels this morning and saw a commercial on Faux News that Kerry did an interview with Bill O'Leilly? I couldn't f'ng believe it!.. What is Kerry doing on Faux News with O'Leilly!!!

[LittleClarkie]

51. He almost went on before, but Julia Thorne died

And if Clark can do it, and Levens, then why not Kerry.

Those who consider themselves centrist who watch the Liar should hear truth too once in a while.

Meanwhile, you'll excuse me, I'll continue my rant.

I expect this shit from Fox News, NOT from CNN, for fuck's sake.

[jillan]

53. It's true

i don't know what to think about this either.

Kerry will do great, but what I worry about is how
O'lielly will twist everything around.

Welcome to DU!

[blm]

55. I worry about the editting. Most of Kerry's 2004 campaign was editted down

in newsrooms to eliminate most of his positions on the issues.

[beachmom]

69. Oh, Clarkie, your letter was very moving and excellent.

This stuff is just going to keep hurting, but we've got to keep fighting. It's just unbelievable the propaganda that is finding its way EVERYWHERE.

Don't forget, though, when Kerry was fighting Alito and trying to get a filibuster, that the WH made those snarky remarks about Switzerland, and then the CNN newscasters repeated it verbatim and all laughed about it. If you looked at that SCOTUS decision today, Alito was on the WRONG side. I can still hear them laughing, those SOBs . . .

[LittleClarkie]

70. Thanks. It would be nice to think it would have an effect

But it's disheartening that CNN is even printing this stuff. How utterly pathetic.

[ProSense]

71. Thanks LC!

That was a really touching letter. I hope it will touch at least one heartless bastard at CNN.

[Rex]

52. R. Emmett Tyrrell Jr

Looks like a non-serving POS. Of course Emmett Dickless won't bring up the vulgar use of Purple Heat band-aids or the fact that the biggest day for prostitutes is when the Republican National Convention rolls into town.

No, all Tyrrell Puss-sucker wants is to smear Kerry, because Emmett is jealous of all real men who served and did their duty for America. Puss-suckers hate real men, something their mommys warned em about.

[Jack Rabbit]

56. Consider the source

These are the rantings of one R. Emmett Tyrrell. He's been a right wing propagandist since the Reagan era.

No, CNN does not need to be boycotted over this. However, they do need to find some credible conservative commentators. Tyrrell is just another yuppie fascist in the mold of Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter.

I'm am 5'3" and don't particularly like being called "short." However, I've gotten used to it and there is really nothing more wrong with calling the Swift Boats Vets for truth a bunch of liars than in calling me short.

[Kerrytravelers]

57. Never mind that many Kerry supporters are War Veterans themselves.

I must remember to keep my Dad away from the phone. :eyes:

[LittleClarkie]

58. But hey, don't forget Geraldo and O'Reilly saw combat

Yes sirree, they had a fine spot from which to watch the fun. Saw LOTS of combat they did.

[Kerrytravelers]

60. Lots of combat on the television. Lots of it!

[LittleClarkie]

62. I saw combat in Vietnam, you know...

China Beach used to be my favorite show ever.

[Kerrytravelers]

65. I watched Platoon. Lots of blood there.

I have combat experience, too!


And my Dad use to watch M*A*S*H* everynight. So there!

[LittleClarkie]

68. Just checked the American Spectator site...ick... and this article

appears in its entirety on their site. It originated there.

So CNN has taken to reprinting entire articles from the Amer. Spec.?