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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 04:57 PM
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A note of appreciation..
from the rich..



Let’s be honest: you’ll never win the lottery.

On the other hand, chances are pretty high that you’ll slave away at some shitty job the rest of your life.

That’s because in all likelihood you were born into the wrong social class. Let’s face it — you’re a member of the WORKING CASTE.

As a result, you don’t have the education, upbringing, connections, manners, appearance, and good taste to ever become one of us.

In fact, you’d probably need a book the size of the yellow pages to list all the unfair advantages we have over you.

That’s why we’re so relieved that you continue to believe the silly old fairy tale about “justice” and “equal opportunity” in America.

Of course, in a hierarchical system like ours, there’s not much room at the top to begin with. And anyway, it’s already occupied by us (in fact we like it up here so much that we intend to keep it that way).

But at least there’s usually someone lower in the social hierarchy you can feel superior to and kick in the teeth once in a while. Even a lowly dishwasher can find some poor slob even lower than he to sneer and spit at.

So be thankful for poor Blacks, migrant workers, prostitutes and homeless street people.

Always remember that if everyone like you were economically secure and socially privileged like us, there would be no one left to fill those boring, dangerous shit jobs in our economy. And no one to fight our wars or blindly follow orders in our corporate armies. And certainly no one to meekly go to their grave without having lived a full and creative life.

So please, keep up the good work!

Plus, you probably don’t have the same vicious, greedy, compulsive drive to acquire and possess wealth, power and prestige that we have. And even though you sincerely desire freedom, you also fear freedom, keeping you and others like you in a nervous state of limbo.

So you mechanically go through life playing your assigned social role, terrified of what others would think should you ever dare to “break out of the mold.”

Naturally we play you off against each other whenever it suits our purposes: skilled workers against unskilled, unionized against non-unionized, Black against White, American workers against Japanese against Mexican against....

We continually keep your wages low by invoking “foreign competition,” “the law of supply and demand,” or “national security.”

We throw you into the unemployed if you step out of line or jeopardize our profits.

We even let you vote for one of our political surrogates every now and then.

Happily, you haven’t a clue as to what’s really happening — instead you blame Blacks, Jews, Welfare Mothers, Queers (everybody except us) for your troubled situation.

Not only that, you still embrace the work ethic, even though most jobs in our economy undermine your health, poison the environment, and suck your one and only life out of you.

We don’t know much about work, but we’re sure glad that you do.

Of course life could be different.

Society could be organized to meet the real needs of the general population.

You could control your own activity and not be someone else’s pawn.

But you don’t know that. You can’t even imagine it.

In fact, that’s probably the greatest accomplishment of our system: robbing you of your imagination, your creativity, your ability to think for yourself.

So we’d truly like to thank you from the bottom of our heartless hearts. It’s obedient wage slaves like you that help make our lives so pleasant. Your loyal sacrifice makes possible our corrupt luxury; your work makes our system work.

So once again, thanks for “knowing your place” —
without even knowing it.

http://www.luminist.org/archives/rich.htm

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.
--George Bernard Shaw


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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 04:59 PM
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1. God I Hate Broad Brush Prejudice And Ignorance. My God Is This Sentiment
Edited on Mon Jun-26-06 05:03 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
flawed.

It is inexcusable to ever smear any entire group of people like this and whoever wrote it is a hateful bigot in my opinion.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 05:13 PM
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3. Well look at it another way..


Why is it OK to you..for the top one percent of the wealthy to not suffer hunger.. while millions starve die of preventable diseases and are beaten by slave owners working sweatshops for walmart?

Is it so wrong to call a pig a pig? The wealthy Abuse millions by depriving them. Why do we not have decent healthcare? Because the rich don't want to share the wealth that is why. Ever been in an abusive relationship? Financial abuse is one way an abuser controls a victim.Did you know that? And what is wrong with ANGER if it dawns on you ENTIRE NATIONS are financially abused by corporations run by the WEALTHY few?

Financial Abuse

Financial abuse means having no access to the family's money. Rose works with her husband, but she does not have her own money. She has to beg her husband to buy her things.

Criminal offences involving money, such as theft, fraud or forgery might be difficult to prove in a family situation. If Rose's husband forges Rose's signature to get money from her personal chequing account, he may be charged. Ask advice from the police or a lawyer to see if the financial abuse you are suffering is punishable by law.
http://www.rosenet-ca.org/rose/define.htm#fin



Don't you realize the top 1 percent elitists ABUSE us all ?
By hoarding the bounty of the Earth and the wealth of nations for themselves,and depriving millions of people so they will be desperate to sell themselves cheap to scrape by and survive on what scraps these thugs throw at us to keep us from saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH..Get your head out of the trough..!!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 05:14 PM
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4.  God I Hate Broad Brush Prejudice And Ignorance. n/t
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 05:22 PM
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5. Did you read what I said?
Why is it OK for the top 1 % of the wealthy to abuse others financially and deprive them of food clean water health-care human rights...Why?

What is so evil about calling an evil person running an evil racket that harms so many lives.. evil?

I do HATE the top 1 % of the wealthy, because with thier'fortunate' upbringing they can make themselves oblivious to the harm their hoarding causes in so many. How come they get to live so well at everyone else's expense.
How much wealth for one person is enough?
How much could 1 golden parachute help people who have nothing..how much health care for kids, food or domestic abuse interventions could 1 billionaire ceo's 400 million dollar golden parachute he does not need ..pay for? Do you know?

Why is it so evil that I call a pig a pig?

Millions suffer so the wealthy won't ever feel any pain.. And is THIS prejudice to notice this inequality and be ANGRY at it? I don't think so .
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 05:26 PM
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6. Yes. It Reminded Me That God I Hate Broad Brush Prejudice And Ignorance.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 05:58 PM
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10. Didn't answer my question
Is it ok for the wealthy top 1 % to systematically deprive others of food health care etc.? Is it ok for mega millionaires in politics to incite people to fight each other(ban gay marriage) so the wealthy never have to share or care about others well being?
Is it ok for billionaires in business suits to pull a Ken lay on the stock market and get away with it?

Is it OK for financial abuse and inequality to go on and on,and we all should just play nice with tyrants, because calling a an abuser abusive is somehow prejudiced?

Answer that please. I don't care what your opinion on my alleged prejudice is I already know..What I am asking is.. can you answer THIS question?

Is it OK in your opinion,mindcrime , for the wealthy few to exploit and deprive the many? Just so the wealthy few can insulate themselves from us and the harshness of reality ,while the rich exploit us with their "fortune"and manipulations like Laissez Faire..economic theories pushed through our political system ..And why is my being angry about the poverty,abuse and inequality that the wealthy never seem to want to do anything about really to change it,.."bigoted"?

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:05 PM
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13. You Are Offering A Broad Brush Prejudiced Smear That Wreaks Of Bigotry.
It is not worthy of discussion as if it is a valid topic of debate. It is always ignorant and disgraceful to lump a huge group of people together in such a hateful fashion. I will never condone such hatred or bigotry against anybody and most certainly will not humor your questions and comments as if they were worthy of serious discussion. I'm a Democrat. I'm against prejudice and bigotry.



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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Amen.
You're not alone. That's exactly how it struck me as well.

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:33 PM
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21. Yes, each Nazi must stand on his or her own merits,
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 08:11 PM
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31. My "Nazi "Merits...
Ooooh I am so EeeeVuuuLLL! Such A horrid bigot I am..OOoH Hisss Hisss..Boooo Hissssss...Don't forget to bring your rotten eggs and bad tomatoes..to the witch burning tonight..
Sheesh. My crime? Insulting bad rich people and challenging the status quo..As if good rich people who do not think like the"letter of appreciation" are too stupid to distinguish themselves from the bad rich and cannot figure out whom it is directed to.... You really do have NO clue how patronizing your screams of bigot sound do ya?.

As for My Nazi credentials..LOL..
See Post #23, THIS thread..

Edited on Mon Jun-26-06 08:27 PM by undergroundpanther
I think those(rich) folks won't be the camels squeezing into "heavens" 'needle",..The squeezing they'll be doing will be squeezing through the gates surrounded by many thankful friends they helped out with their financial compassion.
If I won the lotto ,I could not spend all of it on myself, first of all I dunno wtf I would DO with it, second my conscience would kick my ass so severely if I spent it all on myself .

There are,too many people who need help for me to sit there and blow it all on bullshit. I would buy a few things for my family. get my transgender surgery done, pay the apprentice tattooist doing my work a real nice sum, among a few other things..and the rest? Maybe I'd travel to Darfur and help out. Maybe build villages new water wells,give out cows to women escaping debt slavery in India,Buy some people OUT of debt slavery.. help human rights defenders,free slaves,Help out some of the Indian reservations over here.I'd help the Iraqi hospitals and buy them medical supplies,Help out troops and Iraqis to send them all food, Give money to Cindy Sheehan to get the troops HOME,help gay people find refuge,from abusive governments and religions..Give teens a place to gather that's fun and safe,Make Asshole free zones,(kinda like communes that exclude authoritarians,bullies sociopaths and well..assholes.)
Help out habitat for humanity, help domestic abuse intervention centers,Help child protection services,fund rape counseling,help women get free abortions and GYN health checkups,help other trans-people get their surgeries, help out ASPCA, help consumer mental illness support groups, And pay for people here on DU who need health care, pay for a kids scrip or someones dental work.Or if anyone here got cancer I would help them out,Pay rent for A Duer facing eviction to buy them time to find a place to live or a job,there are so many needs everywhere..
______________________________________________________________
I am such a NAZI..I want to HELP DISENFRANCHISED and POOR PEOPLE!! and I insulted the wealthy elites...OOOh Shame on ME..
JeeeZus H Christ on a hockey puck can you get a wee bit more reactionary on me hun?
Dang. ( Panther shakes head, walks away with a bemused smirk)
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 08:37 PM
Response to Reply #31
33. Here, this will help:
:sarcasm:

I'm on your side.

I was replying to a snotty post, not yours.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #33
35. Oh, Ok
*Smile* Frustrating Ain't it.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 08:52 PM
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36. It is.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #13
28. Guess what I am too
And the policies made by the greedy wealthy have hurt me personally and millions of others too. And they are not supposed to express ANGER at this..Outrage?,Financial abuse is abuse and I have no desire to tolerate and be kind in my words to a bully or a class that has too many bullies among the few good people.. Some wealthy people ARE bullies and at them I direct my anger,if you are so blind as to refuse to see what I am trying to express,about the CULTURE of wealth and the attitudes some wealthy people have,and you refuse to see that I am angry frustrated disgusted and feel very disenfranchised by wealthy people who do not care,and you just want to scream bigot at me and you choose to not have compassion because you can't see the woods for the trees and would rather ignore my outrage over real human rights issues because you think this is broad brush bigotry? You need to wake up and smell your own bullshit.Sorry. I'm A dem too but I am not gonna play pretend that all rich people are saints when so few of the rich are kind,I am angry and frustrated about the inequality I see..And I am not gonna point my finger at the usual scapegoats republicans and Dem's alike like to point at to avoid the real issue of financial abuse , the sickness inside the culture of wealthly people tthat condones greed and rampant inequality. If you don't get that is what I am pissed off about ,and prefer to nit pick,react and not understand..as in REACTIONARY..and scream bigot at me .oh well. Think what you want your rhetorical reactions will not silence me..or tame my anger.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 05:46 PM
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7. Maybe these folks weren't part of the 1% but they were up there
Edited on Mon Jun-26-06 05:59 PM by ayeshahaqqiqa
check out this webpage, please:

http://www.geocities.com/ayeshahaqqiqa/heroes.html

Edited to fix link!! Now it works!

Thank you.

That being said, there are many who have material wealth but who are, in reality, paupers. Why? Because they always want more, even at the expense of others. This obsession with material goods is one reason Jesus said it would be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. Links messed up.
Please repost it..

Paupers who think they are kings,wasen't Hitler one?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:03 PM
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11. Link corrected now.
Also here:

http://www.geocities.com/ayeshahaqqiqa/heroes.html

Perhaps Hitler was a pauper who thought he was a king. Dervishes often appear to be paupers but know they are kings. An example:

A dervish gave a talk in a town, and a rich merchant was so impressed that he offered the Sufi a bag of gold. "I cannot accept this unless I know that you are wealthy," the dervish replied. "Do you have another bag of gold like this at home?"

"I have three like this at home," replied the merchant.

"And do you wish you had three more?" the dervished asked.

"Of course," the merchant replied.

"Then I cannot accept your offer," the dervish replied. "A truly rich man is one who is content with what he has. Those who want more, no matter how much they have, are truly poverty stricken."

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. Thanks.
Edited on Mon Jun-26-06 06:14 PM by undergroundpanther
It's great a few rich people Do care. I know they exist.Wish there were more that cared.. .. Why are there not more rich people that care?? Why do you and others raise up these few noble examples as IF they were the rule and not the exception?

If these good hearted rich people were everywhere helping out..poverty and inequality would not be so severe as it is now would it?.

Could this concept of state as booty as old as that of the state itself be part of the problem??.

http://psychosy.blogspot.com/2006/06/how-democrats-help-gop-empower-rich.html
http://www.poorandstupid.com/chronicle.asp
But there are plenty who do not.Those rich people are whom I despise.
http://www.brazzil.com/content/view/9448/79/
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/15/tax-cuts-stock-market/
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:27 PM
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20. I raise these people up BECAUSE they are the exception
At one time, I thought all rich people were greedy without a sense of social justice. And then I found www.refugeesinternational.org and the folks who donate their time for it, even though it doesn't mean a lot of recognition or glamor. The McCalls were Board members of RI when they were killed. You can check out other Board members and you find that they pay their own way, and often pay for missions to be accomplished. I sincerely wish they were the rule and not the exception.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 07:23 PM
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23. Me too
Edited on Mon Jun-26-06 07:27 PM by undergroundpanther
I think those folks won't be the camels squeezing into "heavens" 'needle",..The squeezing they'll be doing will be squeezing through the gates surrounded by many thankful friends they helped out with their financial compassion.
If I won the lotto ,I could not spend all of it on myself, first of all I dunno wtf I would DO with it, second my conscience would kick my ass so severely if I spent it all on myself .

There are,too many people who need help for me to sit there and blow it all on bullshit. I would buy a few things for my family. get my transgender surgery done, pay the apprentice tattooist doing my work a real nice sum, among a few other things..and the rest? Maybe I'd travel to Darfur and help out. Maybe build villages new water wells,give out cows to women escaping debt slavery in India,Buy some people OUT of debt slavery.. help human rights defenders,free slaves,Help out some of the Indian reservations over here.I'd help the Iraqi hospitals and buy them medical supplies,Help out troops and Iraqis to send them all food, Give money to Cindy Sheehan to get the troops HOME,help gay people find refuge,from abusive governments and religions..Give teens a place to gather that's fun and safe,Make Asshole free zones,(kinda like communes that exclude authoritarians,bullies sociopaths and well..assholes.)
Help out habitat for humanity, help domestic abuse intervention centers,Help child protection services,fund rape counseling,help women get free abortions and GYN health checkups,help other trans-people get thier surgeries, help out ASPCA, help consumer mental illness support groups, And pay for people here on DU who need health care, pay for a kids scrip or someones dental work.Or if anyone here got cancer I would help them out,Pay rent for A Duer facing eviction to buy them time to find a place to live or a job,there are so many needs everywhere..
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 05:47 PM
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8. No answer yet Mindcrime?
The Straussians' core beliefs feature the necessity of a bogeyman to keep the people in line with fear and to suck their money out of their pockets and into the "right" pockets. Asshole 1 let it slip once, he said in 1992 that the entire agenda of the Republican Party and his "New World Order" could be summed up as;

"Sending money in to ever higher, tighter and righter hands."

http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/showthread.php?id=403
There is nothing divine about "divine order."

The classism, elitism, and social hierarchy that conservatives tout as the "special" "glue" or bedrock of 'civilization' means they rely on maintaining a master/slaves morality to keep their own power stable.

Basically, conservatism echoes the divine right of kings, and insists that the proper place for the "lower classes" is a life of poverty, desperation, xenophobia, ignorance, religion, and being bound in servitude.


http://www.unknownnews.org/060502a-Panther.html

Who's the Bigot here Mindcrime? Who's really hurt by me posting this thread?
Maybe a few miffed elitists are pissed (if they even bother with reading plebeian websites like DU at all)A few rich thugs who may get offended because the stuff I said here makes the elites ,look like assholes,with no empathy for poor people,middle class people,workers ..etc. Well, this is what they look like too me, I see it by their actions and even sometimes their words,directed at poor people like me and millions of others in dire straights all over the world that are not part of the top 1 percent club?

Or does my outrage harm the less than multi billionaire People on DU suffering with no health care and no way to pay for a family tragedy,or a dying parent,or sick kid,..We all know if a working family member gets sick and because of the right not paying decent wages or offering health care or pensions to people who work FOR them making the rich richer,..I should not be angry that the wealthy make sure people like me or others do not make enough money to pay the hospital bill AND eat at the same time..Could they try for bankruptcy ?

Nope they can't do that now,'cause the rich people running the credit card and debt collection companies didn't like so many people getting OUT of paying impossible insolvable debts ,they want to push people into debt slavery.Cheap labor republicans..Cheap labor Dem's,Cheap labor rich people are extortionists.

And what do poor people who cannot pay do when the financial abuse goes too far?? They commit suicide,marriages break up,people get nervous breakdowns,some abuse each other,or get cancer or heart attacks from the stress coming from the pressures to pay up or else..these heartless rich thugs do to extort the people from afar....

Tell me,Who is being HURT by hearing my colorful ANGER aimed at the wealthy? And what is so bad about me expressing my outrage over this inequality and the injustice and abuse here?
The people who may feel "insulted" might need to HEAR my anger and stop abusing people!!
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. Then what do you make of rich liberals then?
They do exist, of course. And they don't seem to fit your model. So where would you put them?
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. Rich liberals that don't give a crap
are just as bad as the GOP thugs ,bad in another flavor.

http://psychosy.blogspot.com/2006/06/how-democrats-help-gop-empower-rich.html
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:25 PM
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19. Why would you assume they don't give a crap
You would seem to indicate that rich is automatically bad. I would take it more on a person by person basis, myself.

Teresa Heinz is an example of someone who both gives a shit and comes from old money. What say you?

Then there are those who make policy at Starbucks, who pay their coffee growers more if they follow good growing practices, and who help their employees move up so that they don't have to be coffee monkeys all their lives if they don't want to be, not to mention being environmentally aware and helpful to emerging musicians and singers. I'm sure they're not hurting for money either, and yet I've been told by their employees that Starbucks is a wonderful company to work for.

So, where do the rich liberals who give a shit fit into your model?

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. I do take it case by case
Edited on Mon Jun-26-06 07:36 PM by undergroundpanther
BUT...

The cases of rich folks who CARE about the less fortunate are are too few given the numbers ,and that makes me wonder..
What is it about the CULTURE of wealth that prevents wealthy people from stepping up to help the poor survive?

Why do rich people not help with the funding food banks,soup kitchens giving food or assistance to poor people?

Why is that?

Poverty is not a popular cause among the richest donors

1. Only 1 gift was made to a human service charity, the American Red Cross
2. Oprah Winfrey's gift to Oprah's Angel Network was the only direct contribution to an international development organization
3. None of the largest donations went to a social service agency, homeless shelter, food bank, or other organization that provides direct assistance to the poor

Here is a breakdown of where the money goes..
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/content.view/catid/68/cpid/415.htm
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #19
25. I see where the money goes
And I am ANGRY at the injustice of it all that's also why.
I am not convinced there are more rich people who care,than who don't care..I think the majority don't care..I say this because if you look at where the money goes(philanthropy) and the way rich people vote,(often republican) The rich do quite alot with their money ,influence,networks and power to eliminate or disable the things that could help out poor people,like the social safety net, or help people get out of debt,help improve minimum wage,help with health care,help workplaces treat workers better,alot of rich people actually get in the way of these things helping out. far more rich people spend their efforts controlling the lower classes and depriving them than the few shining examples of rich people who care enough to use their money and influence to END these problems.

Why is that?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. nevermind
Edited on Mon Jun-26-06 07:49 PM by LittleClarkie
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. what do you mean nevermind?
Any thoughts? Or are you blowing me off?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Decided not to say what I was going to say since it appears that
despite your OP, you don't mean ALL rich people necessarily. So, I decided the point I was about to make didn't need to be made.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 08:19 PM
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32. Cool.
Oh and ummm..If you look at the OP it is referring to rich and elite manipulators. I think the decent rich people out there as few as there are of them,would not take the"note of appreciation from the rich" as something talking about them personally... I don't think most people are that silly or reactionary to think a 'letter' speaks about them personally...
And It doesn't unless it IS speaking about them personally and they know it is deep down,,than if it is speaking to them personally they would be the snotty rich bastards shafting all of us,that piss me off anyways and I could give a rats ass if they get offended by this thread..Get my drift?


I just wish our fellow Dem's would not be so reactionary,to each other,this kind of internecine reactionary stuff really makes Dem's look like the P.C. nightmare ,The real bigots(gop)paint us to be.And I for one would like to put that big fat lie about Dem's to rest forever.
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Sailor for Warner Donating Member (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:40 PM
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40. Why is it ok for you to drive a car or have a TV
While people starve...Middle Class Pig :sarcasm:
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 08:47 PM
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34. Oooo Kay..
Spelling it out... Updated at 6:23 PM

The thing that gets me, Mindcrime,..Why are you so reactionary?
If you look at the OP you are referring to in THIS thread,it is referring to rich and elite manipulators. As quoted in:

"Plus, you( as in non-sociopathic person who may or may not have money) probably don’t have the same vicious, greedy, compulsive drive to acquire and possess wealth, power and prestige that we (wealthy manipulating elitists) have. "

I think the decent rich people out there as few as there are of them,would be intelligent enough to not take the "note of appreciation from the rich" as something talking about them personally. To assume that is to be patronizing and talking down to readers as if they cannot think for themselves..I think the rich that are good won't react because they know they DON'T have the vicious, greedy, compulsive drive to acquire and possess wealth, power and prestige ... like the bad people described in the "note".

I don't want to think people are that reactionary and cannot know their own character enough to assume a 'letter' speaks about them personally...when it is not addressed TO them personally.


Unless of course it IS speaking about them personally.. and if they know what it is describing IS true about who they are deep down, and it is speaking to them personally they would be the elitist rich bastards shafting all of us,that DO have the a vicious, greedy, compulsive drive to acquire and possess wealth, power and prestige that pisses me off about them anyways. So for the rich who have a vicious, greedy, compulsive drive to acquire and possess wealth, power and prestige I could give a rats ass if they get offended by my posts..Get my drift yet? Mind crime?

And what is it about your screenname..MIND CRIME? What thoughts would you like to criminalize,what emotions would you censor ?What speech would you want to silence as a mind crime?
Am I an Eeeevil Bigot to you? Because I am angry and I challenged you?? And you are reactionary? Mind crime indeed..


On a side note..I just wish our fellow Dem's here would not be so reactionary,to each other,jumping up and starting this kind of internecine reactionary strife really makes Dem's look like the P.C. nightmare ,The real bigots out there like the (gop)paint us to be.And I for one would like to put that big fat lie about Dem's to rest forever.

And why oh why are these spin off threads happening? Reacting about this thread but none dare read..it

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1510785&mesg_id=1511259
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 08:54 PM
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37. Do You Just LIke To Hear Yourself Talk?
I read this garbage in the other thread you posted it in. I'm not going to respond to hate and prejudice I've made that clear.

And in case you missed it, my screenname is the name of a queensryche album. :rofl:
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 09:57 PM
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38. Yes I do like hearing myself talk
as Typing...LOL Apparently I'm not the only one who likes hearing what I say ,but I don't expect someone who is going off half cocked screaming I am a bigot to notice that..*smirk*

The reason I posted this here was because I noticed you were mixing threads together.Talking about my thread elsewhere on DU and playing games about it. That's irritating.And I don't take being called a bigot lightly,as you seem to use Bigot to manipulate emotions shouting with one liners,and avoiding the discussion. You use a loaded term"bigot" without thinking about it first, reading the thread through or researching who I am and my history here. This is why I called you reactionary.You overreacted,I am not a bigot.
My posts in THIS very thread,my Du journal, my Unknown News Articles and the many posts I have made here show where I stand on "bigotry"..

So if you want to keep up this overreacting and scream bigot at me all night and not discuss the real issues I brought up here,and you prefer to start other threads to talk about this one..I have to wonder ..

Did you do this to avoid me, are you an intellectual coward, Is this cowardice why you refuse to DISCUSS this at all here,like an adult? Is it because you are ashamed you made yourself look like a reactionary snot,and you can't get past that? well it's not my issue..

Why do you insist on being this way? You know,eventually I'll have to put you on ignore and draw a boundary here. I can get past your reactionary bullshit, Now can you?

I don't want to think I HAVE to put you on ignore,I hate doing that,but there is only so much snotballery and bullshit name calling crap one can take out of a person who is reacting and being an arse like you are right now ...

So are you gonna stop with your bigot mantra put your ego back in your pants ,read the thread ,get real,and read it as others saw I intended it, as a commentary on SOME rich people and the CULTURE of wealth,and discuss this greed issue like adults?.Or,are you OK with being a futile case of reaction gone overboard??

Ball is in your court. Let's see what you got.

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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 10:37 PM
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39. Yeah, stop oppressing the elite!
They do all that HARD WORK and people are just SO MEAN to them... :cry:
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 05:04 PM
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2. grateful yet?

I am a grateful slave.
My master is a good man.
He gives me food, shelter, work and other things.
All he requires in return is that I obey him.
I am told he has the power to control my life.
I look up to him,
and wish that I were so powerful.

http://home.netcom.com/~zeno7/gratslav.html

Fight back ..
http://www.conceptualguerilla.com/
http://www.jmooneyham.com/your-true-chances-of-getting-rich-reference.html
http://www.zpub.com/notes/black-work.html

The first man having enclosed a piece of ground saying

"this is mine"

and found people simple enough to believe him
was the real founder of society.
From how many crimes,murders,wastes might anyone have saved now by pulling up the stakes and crying to his fellows....

"Beware of listening to this impostor!!"

You are undone if once you forget that the fruits of the Earth belong to us all and of the Earth to nobody.

To protect private property men accepted laws and governments.They had too many disputes among themselves to do without arbiters and avarice to go long without masters.All ran headlong into their chains in hopes of securing their liberty.

Discourse on the origins of inequality of mankind ~Rousseau.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:12 PM
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15. So anyone with a job is a slave? Dunno about you, but I get paid.
And it's a pretty good gig. The busness owner is rich, to be sure, first generation rich. His dad built the business honestly. So sue them for having a few bucks to show for it.

Without companies many people wouldn't have jobs. Why would it automatically be bad to be a business owner with employees as long as they're treated fairly?

Sorry, but I agree that this is a bigotted point of view.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 07:06 PM
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22. Slave..
How many people work two jobs barely afford to exist,yet are afraid to unionize?
Afraid to tell the boss for some time off?
Afraid to ask for a raise?
Afraid to do anything else that might piss off the boss.
From wearing a too colorful tie at work,to getting tattoos what boss has the right to tell you who you are? Tattoos do not effect job performance nor do colorful ties. The workplace is a totalistic control environment,you have to pee in a cup when the boss says pee...Just like a little fiefdom of fascism.

This kind of environment sets up a person to have a mindset of an abused person A person under the control and domination of another person whom is considered and treated as a "superior"..a "supervisor" or boss and the person who is obeying a boss in effects for the hours he is at work,,a wage slave. And at work people do get abused. Sadly because they are intimidated by the threat of not getting another job if they resist and get fired,(you know bills,food rent don't care if you can't get work.)Workers are extorted to stay at an abusive workplace sometimes fearing if they quit ,the boss who will be writing a letter of recommendation to a new employer,might write a bad report,and the worker won't get picked. Intimidated workers do not always fight back against abuses. And it makes them have the mindset of an abused person,and behave like a slave in the S/M sense..
http://open-site.org/Society/Issues/Violence_and_Abu

Do you know how debt slavery works ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_slavery
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0331-33.htm
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=103&topic_id=204459&mesg_id=204549


Do you know what wage slavery is? How it came to be?
The Civil war was over Chattel Slavery VS Wage Slavery.
Wage slavery is more cost efficient to owners of corporations than chattel slavery was.Scary ain't it? In his book "Disposable People," Bales says ownership is no longer an attractive proposition for most slaveholders because the price of slaves is so low. In 1850, a slave would cost about $40,000 in today's dollars. Now, you can buy a slave for $30 in the Ivory Coast.
Now you can buy one and throw them away people are so cheap..
http://forests.org/articles/reader.asp?linkid=34639

So if you think like a soulless capitalist thug.Yes, it's cost effective to cut workers health care and wages,and leave people who are not viciously competitive to die off when their jobs are replaced by machines who do not complain and never need sleep or bathroom breaks..The remaining people will be so desperate they'll sell themselves cheaper that way for jobs that machines can't do.Why pay american workers,outsource to india they aren't all uppity and demanding health care and living wages as some american workers....Let the American worker suffer and he'll come round and accept"his place" if he gets desperate enough to.
http://www.mindfully.org/Industry/2004/Wal-Mart-Labor-Record16feb04.htm
http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/ope-l/2003m07/msg00012.htm
http://www.greens.org/s-r/21/21-07.html

Some alternatives to work..
http://www.whywork.org/about/links.html
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 06:03 PM
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12. I do say thank you to the rich liberals who help us with their donations
Bless em. Noble and beautiful they are. They could have been greedy bastards and voted their pocketbooks, but they don't.

I don't hate people because they're rich. It's what they do with their wealth that counts.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 07:46 PM
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26. Exactly
And I wish good wealthy people would get other greedy wealthy people to wake up and smell the bullshit..After all from where I sit the wealthy are untouchable,yet the policies of the greedy wealthy do touch me and make my life worse,and for that I am ANGRY.
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