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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:18 PM
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Number of returning troops diagnosis with PTSD
According to quarterly untilization data from Veterans Affairs the cumulative number of Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom veterans with an initial diagnosis of PTSD has climed steadily.Since May 2005 9,688 have gone up to 30,638 in June of 2006. But these number do not include troops in Iraq with PTSD on Meds
Bush's and the Republicans 2007 Veterans Budget does not include the numbers of veterans with PTSD coming home.A bill to insure funding for the VA was not even allowed to come to the floor of the House by J Dennis Hastert. The Reason why the bill was written by a Democrat (D Lane Evans Ranking Member of Veterans Affair Committee)
So when these non-serving Republican say to America Democrats are cutting an running that is Bull.

The cut and ran Republicans are cut and running on the Men an Women who are fighting their War

Right now veterans are being put on a huge waiting list do to lack of funding.Some do to this wait are going Homeless with their families.If this Post sound like I am Angry your right.I am a veteran who these troops coming home are my family like all veterans.So Rove who is cutting and running on the Men an Women you and Bush have sent of to do the Fighting you cut an ran from when it was your turn to serve.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:45 PM
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1. According to bushbots and other assorted wing nuts the returning wounded
from Iraq get all kinds of back pay and military service bonus's so they are living high off the hog. PTSD? doesn't happen thats just a excuse the dems made up to protect the wounded vets that are homeless because of their drug use. After all GW has done everything for those disgusting vets as it is, mind you those saying that garbage are chicken hawks who's answer to getting the troops out is sending nukes and bio weapons to drop on their heads. After all they are just brown Muslim people so it don't matter kill them all. Yes I have heard garbage like this lately.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:09 PM
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5. Good God They Do Believe in Everything Fed to Them Then
brainless bigots.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:53 PM
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2. At the VA serving me, it's "CUT" SERVICES AND "RUN" OVER VETS!
K&R
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:06 PM
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3. Brother we vets are in trouble
VA does not have the funds to finsh 2006 less alone 2007.We have to push for ensure funding now
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:11 PM
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6. How did you like the little accident that is oddly BAD PR for the VA...
All that information getting into the hands of gigantic cooperations almost makes the public able to blame the VA for squandering resources later, doesn't it? Gee, I wonder who REALLY leaked our personal info. We vets are just too dumb to connect the dots, I guess.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:06 PM
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4. K&R
I have a homeless Vet living with me...been here almost 3 years...Nam Vet.

There will be many more from this 2 wars we got going...

Its a Shame the Feds are not looking after the troops coming home. Almost like using them as cheap pawns. Damn that Bush, he never went to OFFICER School...therefore, ignorant on how to care for your troops.

Pathetically sad and uncalled for.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:15 PM
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7. That's one thing the Military Families Speak Out group on CSPAN
Edited on Sun Jun-25-06 05:16 PM by calimary
was talking about earlier today. It was a press conference from Thursday, actually, but there they were, birddogging the assholes on Capitol Hill who keep perpetuating this needless carnage. They made two points: 1) Bring our troops HOME - NOW, and 2) Take CARE OF THEM when they're here.

I REALLY like that meme upthread - "CUT services and RUN over vets."
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:16 PM
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9. We are trying to set up a homeless shelter in DuPage IL
The shelter will have trained staff to help. But the Republican here are fighting us big time Midwest Homeless Veterans Shelter is going to happen.We got some help Obama has step up big time an is trying to get grants. This shelter was set up by a Vietman vet an a Gulf War One Vet. The excuse Republicans are given is not in my town.We are Veterans For Progress IL. our goal is to fight for veterans and their families.We have two vets running for Congress to help veterans and the people of this Country take it back .Tammy Duckworth an John Laesch
info@duckworthfor congress.com
www.john06.com
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:17 PM
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10. where do you get off blaming only B$ when the majority in congress did it?
Edited on Sun Jun-25-06 05:36 PM by Jeffersons Ghost
This is our fine House and Senate, not His Ass-holiness the Dope... BTW, you forget to vote because I just gave it a try in case I made the mistake and it claims I already voted... Hang on a sec... gotta go check on why my little yellow dog is barking... brb
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:36 PM
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20. I'm hooked on romance novels set in Napoleonic Wars era--how this relates
From the novels I first learned how badly the British government treated its returning troops who had enabled them to destroy what was perceived as a major national threat. They and their families were reduced to begging or crime. There was literally nothing for them; plus they and all those not well off got caught in the era of the Corn Laws. (In the post Napoleonic Wars era, the British government supported high grain prices to protect the income of the landed gentry. A very simplistic summary.)

I thought the world had learned something since 1815.

What about the 'greatest generation' that everyone was making such a big deal about a few years ago???? Among many other things, returning vets got the GI Bill. It was only from an NPR story in the 90s about this that I began to realize how truly awesome and new this was; the program pointed out that many who in previous years would have gotten jobs that put them in the lower middle class were able to attend college and create what was the post WWII massive expansion of the middle class.

I later learned how the republican party fought against the GI Bill b/c it meant the loss of laborers. So now the new republicans are even destroying the vets' gains from the experience of WWII.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:15 PM
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8. Just like Repukes, they pick a slogan and don't know it's meaning!
Not to get too OT but, I'm so sick of hearing about CUT & RUN!!! :puke:

Hey REPUKE LURKERS, you know what happens to a ship if it DOESN'T 'cut and run'? Go look it up!
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:31 PM
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11. ya me too from cut an ran nutcases
The entire Leadership of the repulgs never served a day when it was their turn thet cut an ran
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:40 PM
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12. well the Indianapolis didn't cut and Titanic "stayed the course." don't...
make the questions too hard rex... you said freepers, so get a grasp of your audience... Who's heard of the Indianapolis?
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:52 PM
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13. Shark City
Right
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 12:43 AM
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16. One of the sailors from the indianapolis lived in michigan and I went to
school with his son. He was ok during the late 60's and early 70's, then he became born again. I think he felt guilty that he lived and his friends and shipmates died. He would tell me and his son stories about the ports he visited but we didn't know about which ship he was on until the movie Jaws came out, he had a hard time watching the part were the 3 guys were drinking and telling stories about scars. My friends mother told us later he was on that ship that delivered the A-bomb that was dropped on Japan.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:35 PM
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14. I know of someone who has continuing problems two years later and
Edited on Sun Jun-25-06 06:36 PM by higher class
this person was in a tech desk job, mostly in Kuwait (or Qatar). Genuine, not faked.
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:44 PM
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15. Now he may have DU
Depleted Uranium has some of the same signs of PTSD. Your friend need to go to VA for a test. VA doc's do not test unless asked.They will tell a vet you have PTSD because they do not want the results of DU out
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 12:47 PM
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17. got a link for the PTSD numbers? Here's a related thread from January
on the machinations of the RW spin machine to belittle and dismiss veterans' PTSD:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x42329
thread title (1-3-06): Right wing spin about PTSD ,Vets and diagnosis

Permalink for cited article is given in reply #14 in that thread:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_larry_sc_060102_veterans_with_ptsd_f.htm
January 2, 2006 at 08:24:38

Veterans with PTSD Face Campaign of Misinformation, Disinformation and Outright Lies


by Larry Scott

When the Washington Post prints a front page story (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/26/ar2005122600792.html) about the politics and money surrounding veterans with Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), it attracts lots of attention. And, when that story spells out plans by the Department of Veterans' Affairs (VA) to redefine PTSD and restructure veterans' compensation, it forces the conservative "spin machine" into action to try to minimize any information that indicates PTSD is a problem in the veteran community.

The trouble with trying to minimize accurate information about the PTSD issue is that misinformation, disinformation and outright lies are the only tools available to make the disorder seem like a minor problem instead of the colossal mental health crisis that it is.

Just a few hours after the Post published their well-balanced article about PTSD, the arch-conservative Washington Times and their UPI news service had "borrowed" it and published a severely-edited rewrite. The Times/UPI story referred only to the high cost of PTSD compensation and concerns over veterans making fraudulent claims. The timing is more than coincidence.

I received an email from a public affairs officer at a large veterans' service organization who doesn't believe in coincidence, either. His view of the situation was that the VA bosses read the Post article and got angry, ordered the VA public affairs people to rewrite it to fit the current right-wing anti-PTSD sentiment and then told politically-likeminded media people to run it.

(snip)




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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 01:02 PM
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18. A NYT op/ed written by a neocon said that many PTSD applicants were
Edited on Mon Jun-26-06 01:09 PM by Nothing Without Hope
lying and goldbricking, especially those with reactivated PTSD from earlier wars. This, of course, is the Bush Administration's position, which is no coincidence because the author of the article is a resident scholar of the American Enterprise Institute:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/01/opinion/01satel.html?ex=1151467200&en=8c0834998405b387&ei=5070
(snip)

Medically speaking, there is some evidence to support what psychiatrists call "reactivated" post-traumatic stress disorder. The literature is dotted with cases of veterans of World War I, World War II and the Korean War who, after briefly showing signs of stress disorders in the immediate aftermath of their ordeals, led productive lives for decades before breaking down in their 60's and 70's. Little is known about the treatment of reactivated symptoms, but there is reason to be optimistic that patients will recover nicely in view of their having functioned well for so long.

But it's also very likely that some of the veteran baby boomers who have filed claims in recent years did so not out of medical need but out of a desire for financial security in their retirement years. Indeed, 40 percent of last year's claimants had been out of the military for 35 to 49 years.

In any case, the rush of applications for long-term disability entitlements reflects the extent to which the culture of the Department of Veterans Affairs since Vietnam has become fixated on post-traumatic stress disorder. While claims for all other forms of mental illness, like schizophrenia and bipolar illness, have declined by about 12 percent of patients at veterans' hospitals over the last decade, the number of veterans receiving compensation for post-traumatic shock has nearly tripled.

Having worked as a psychiatrist at a Veterans Affairs hospital, I can attest to the good intentions with which the department created its post-traumatic stress disorder programs. But as the bureaucracy has become entrenched — and politicians and veterans' groups have applied pressure — a culture of trauma has blossomed. If a veteran can demonstrate service in Vietnam and simply list a few symptoms of the disorder (terrifying nightmares, bad memories, anxiety, survivor guilt and so on), there is a good chance he will be granted the diagnosis and a tax-free monthly stipend.

(snip)


The author of this smear piece is described this way: "Sally Satel, a psychiatrist and resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, is a co-author of One Nation Under Therapy."

The American Enterprise Institute, of course, is a neocon think-tank very closely associated with the Bush Administration's agenda. Here's one description:

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1431
Founded in 1943, the American Enterprise Institute is today the single most influential think tank in America and the country's main bastion of neoconservatism. In a January 2003 speech at an AEI dinner celebrating the life of neocon godfather Irving Kristol, President Bush underscored the institute's impact. After commending AEI for having "some of the finest minds in our nation," the president said: "You do such good work that my administration has borrowed 20 such minds." That was a conservative estimate: Since the Bush administration took over in 2001, more than two dozen AEI alums have served either in a policy post or on one of the government's many panels and commissions--like the Defense Policy Board, which until early 2003 was chaired by AEI all-star Richard Perle. (5)

(snip)

In fact, AEI knew it was going to play a prominent role in the Bush administration even before George W. took office. In a December 2000 Washington Post article, "White House Hopes Gas Up Think Tank," Dana Milbank wrote: "It's noon in the American Enterprise Institute's 12th-floor dining room, where Irving Kristol, Norman Ornstein and other luminaries lunch. On the menu is swordfish and white wine. On the agenda is a Bush transition. If George W. Bush becomes president, says AEI scholar Douglas Besharov, beckoning to the dining room, 'this whole place empties out.'"

AEI says it is "dedicated to preserving and strengthening the foundations of freedom--limited government, private enterprise, vital cultural and political institutions, and a strong foreign policy and national defense--through scholarly research, open debate, and publications." (1)

Ironically, AEI, whose pro-Likud stance on Middle East policy has become legend, was at one point in its history regarded as an even-handed forum on Israeli-Arab affairs. But that was in the 1970s and early 1980s, before the death of its former president, William Baroody, and the massive influx of neoconservative ideologues into its halls.


Given the Bush Administration's strong views on PTSD and veterans who dare to report it, I have to suspect that anyone writing a Veterans' Administration report with PTSD numbers is under strong pressure to under-represent and distort the true scope of the incidence and severity of PTSD and other war-related psychological damage.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:20 PM
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19. bushco pushing VA to question/deny PTSD diagnosis
There's an excellent article in the WP about the politics of this, ie a PTSD diagnosis 'costs too much,' especially with more and more vets getting this diagnosis. Also this diagnosis, especially if the condition is seen to be wide-spread, would (in bushco's view) lead to more questioning of the wars (Iraq, Afghanistan, and the next.....)

For some reason, I haven't been able to find the right search words to locate this on-line article. It was extremely upsetting to see how bushco politics overrides everything else
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:41 PM
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21. posted before I read through the thread; see #s 17, 18
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Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-26-06 02:45 PM
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22. That's ok we all have sometimers every once in a while
But thanks for the links it helps the post so people can see Bush does not give a dam about the troops
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