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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:27 AM
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Welcome to Mars express: only a three hour trip
Welcome to Mars express: only a three hour trip
IAN JOHNSTON SCIENCE CORRESPONDENT

AN EXTRAORDINARY "hyperspace" engine that could make interstellar space travel a reality by flying into other dimensions is being investigated by the United States government.

The hypothetical device, which has been outlined in principle but is based on a controversial theory about the fabric of the universe, could potentially allow a spacecraft to travel to Mars in three hours and journey to a star 11 light years away in just 80 days, according to a report in today's New Scientist magazine. The theoretical engine works by creating an intense magnetic field that, according to ideas first developed by the late scientist Burkhard Heim in the 1950s, would produce a gravitational field and result in thrust for a spacecraft.

Also, if a large enough magnetic field was created, the craft would slip into a different dimension, where the speed of light is faster, allowing incredible speeds to be reached. Switching off the magnetic field would result in the engine reappearing in our current dimension. The US air force has expressed an interest in the idea and scientists working for the American Department of Energy - which has a device known as the Z Machine that could generate the kind of magnetic fields required to drive the engine - say they may carry out a test if the theory withstands further scrutiny.

Professor Jochem Hauser, one of the scientists who put forward the idea, told The Scotsman that if everything went well a working engine could be tested in about five years.

However, Prof Hauser, a physicist at the Applied Sciences University in Salzgitter, Germany, and a former chief of aerodynamics at the European Space Agency, cautioned it was based on a highly controversial theory that would require a significant change in the current understanding of the laws of physics.

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http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=16902006





On Jan. 14, 2001, the German physicist Burkhard Heim died, 75 years old, in Northeim/Germany. In 1944 he had lost his sight, his hearing and his hands in an accident. Because of his handicap he left the MPI of Astrophysics in Göttingen to continue his research in private. In 1957, after having discovered a new field propulsion system for space vehicles, Heim became known in the media. Then, nothing was heard about him for some ten years. Only a few physicists knew that Heim was working on a unified six-dimensional quantum field theory of matter and gravitation. Between 1977 and 1984 he published his theory and the masses of elementary particles which he had got from his mass formula and which up to now have not jet been found by any other physicist. There was hardly anyone willing to deal with such a difficult matter (written in German) since nobody wants to believe that a privately working physicist might be able to find the world formula. As the results Heim had got in particle physics proved to be correct, there won´t hardly be any choice but to start dealing with his theory, even if hesitantly, in the near future. And this will necessarely lead to a new world view of physics.



There is debate among physicists as to whether the ideas of Heim achieved his goals. Those who have collaborated with Heim generally believe that he may have succeeded. Most other physicists have not held the theory in as high a regard, primarily because a significant portion of Heim's work has not been published in rigorously peer reviewed journals. Other factors limiting the acceptance of Heim's theory include its complex mathematical formalism (such as its use of selector calculus), as well as its lengthy nature. In particular, the theory was initially published in German and had notations which were not in widespread use. For these reasons, Heim's theory has attracted a limited audience and appeal in today's theoretical physics community. As a result, he is not as well known now as most prominent physicists, though in the 1950s and 1960s he was prominent in the media and amongst distinguished physicists.

A few researchers today continue developing Heim's theory using a form of quantum gravity with the expectation that Heim may receive posthumous credit for finding a comprehensive framework for a Theory of Everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkhard_Heim





Take a leap into hyperspace

* 05 January 2006
* From New Scientist Print Edition
* Haiko Lietz

EVERY year, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics awards prizes for the best papers presented at its annual conference. Last year's winner in the nuclear and future flight category went to a paper calling for experimental tests of an astonishing new type of engine. According to the paper, this hyperdrive motor would propel a craft through another dimension at enormous speeds. It could leave Earth at lunchtime and get to the moon in time for dinner. There's just one catch: the idea relies on an obscure and largely unrecognised kind of physics. Can they possibly be serious?

The AIAA is certainly not embarrassed. What's more, the US military has begun to cast its eyes over the hyperdrive concept, and a space propulsion researcher at the US Department of Energy's Sandia National Laboratories has said he would be interested in putting the idea to the test. And despite the bafflement of most physicists at the theory that supposedly underpins it, Pavlos Mikellides, an aerospace engineer at the Arizona State University in Tempe who reviewed the winning paper, stands by the committee's choice. "Even though such features have been explored before, this particular approach is quite unique," he says.

Unique it certainly is. If the experiment gets the go-ahead and works, it could reveal new interactions between the fundamental forces of nature that would change the future of space travel. Forget spending six months or more holed up in a rocket on the way to Mars, a round trip on the hyperdrive could take as little as 5 hours. All our worries about astronauts' muscles wasting away or their DNA being irreparably damaged by cosmic radiation would disappear overnight. What's more the device would put travel to the stars within reach for the first time. But can the hyperdrive really get off the ground?
“A hyperdrive craft would put the stars within reach for the first time”

The answer to that question hinges on the work of a little-known German physicist. Burkhard Heim began to explore the hyperdrive propulsion concept in the 1950s as a spin-off from his attempts to heal the biggest divide in physics: the rift between quantum mechanics and Einstein's general theory of relativity.

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg18925331.200/

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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 04:39 AM
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1. Great post. Thanks for informing. n/t
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 05:01 AM
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2. I just can't believe it
What an amazing man and what an amazing story.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 06:00 AM
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3. If this is The Real Thing ...
... then human history will change, dramatically, the first time a device implementing Heim's work is demonstrated to work. We might as well start a new calender based on that date, if all goes well.

Mars in 3 hours means Mars by tomorrow afternoon. Epsilon Eridani in 88 days means the speed of light is no longer the universe's "speed limit" -- or, perhaps, that the roads can be moved around without too much effort.

Alas, I fear that Heim's theories will not result in anything so exotic, but it's been a long time since any scientific brakthrough allowed us to fantasize with this kind of abandon. Nanotechnology was introduced 20 years ago, and all it's done is to give us a flood of "nano-" prefixed sci-fi, and The Singularity, a high-tech form of the Rapture. Which is kind of cool itself, but requires death, which is a little too much commitment for most of us.

"Too good to be true" often means "not true at all". The recent experimental confirmations of some of Heim's calculations bodes well for the theory, but the testing has only begun.

With Heim-ism, Buck Rogers Lives! And not badly, either. Fingers crossed, everyone!

--p!
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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 07:06 AM
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4. Just think about how many other planets we can screw up!
Just kidding. This is a great discovery, if plausible. I only hope we use the technology for good. :scared:

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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 07:32 AM
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5. Interesting question.
It's a European discovery.

Maybe the ESA (European Space Agency) will have a go. Cheney and Rummy will use it for nefarious purposes no doubt.

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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 11:13 AM
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15. Think about it.
Radical Christian Right & BushCo. goes to Uranus.

Earth: We'll be back to pick you up in a day......

Uranus: Okay, make sure you're on time, we still have some campaigning and computer hacking, we mean problems to fix, the day after tomorrow.

Earth next day: Well, it appears that we have had a catastrophic malfunction, and it will be about a year to get it resolved.

Church of Uranus next year: Earth are you out there, all we get is static? Is anyone there?

Earth: Static....

Church of Uranus: Oh my God, the Rapture was true, we were right!

Earth: A new age of peace & prosperity has been achieved in only a year's time.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 01:51 PM
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24. Or screw on! Still, I think it's a sham; a ruse - to cover up something
far worse. :tinfoilhat: :crazy:
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 07:36 AM
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6. That would be fantastic if they could actually work it out.
I've always wanted to go into space. But considering how slow NASA is, I'm placing my bets in the private commercial space flight industry.

http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 07:42 AM
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7. Fly with Virgin Galactic then.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 07:52 AM
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8. Cool cool cool!
Edited on Mon Jan-16-06 07:53 AM by mutley_r_us
I wonder how much it will cost. I should start saving now, I might be able to afford it before I die. :D

Burt Rutan is the man! :applause:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 10:30 AM
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10. Rutan is not a bad chap for a right-winger... nt
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 10:32 AM
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11. Right winger, eh?
Oh well, I still love what he's done for the space industry.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 10:36 AM
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12. Hard not to be when you sell so much work to the defense establishment.
But I have no indications that he is any sort of neocon.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 10:53 AM
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13. Right? I never even knew until now that he's a Repub.
But then I've never really paid attention. He's still the man in my book. :D
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 09:08 AM
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9. Kick for interplanetary travel
This is a pretty cool tale.
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WritingIsMyReligion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 10:56 AM
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14. My God.....
That's so WEIRD. It's scary. Sometimes I love science, and sometimes what it can do (nuclear power, creating new diseases) is fucking scary. Science without ethics is death. I don't know how this could be turned against humanity, but you never know...

Weird.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:11 PM
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16. The implications if this works are mind boggling.
Let us suppose this is true and results in realistic space travel. Some questions follow:

Are humans the first in the galaxy into space? That seems unrealistic given the vast number of stars in the galaxy.

If we aren't the first, then why are we isolated? It would seem that we should have been colonized back in the dinosaur days. Once colonized, why would we be abandoned? (I do NOT accept the current UFO stories as anything but the product of delusion and hoax.)

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:30 PM
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17. Well, a few options here to explain the Fermi Paradox
(Which you just paraphrased here.)

1. Somebody has to be first. There has to be a time in every galaxy where the first space-faring race appears. We might just be the first. I admit that is remote.

2. There are periodic "sterilizing events" of a cosmological scale that wipe out starfaring cultures.

3. Really advanced civilizations no longer need to colonize planets.

4. Star travel and/or finding colonizable planets, is a whole lot harder than anybody (including the generation ship proponents) realizes.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:33 PM
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19. Could you go further into #3?
I just want to see your idea of what would make that no longer possible- I'm intrigued.

(Maybe they "ascended" :silly:)
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:38 PM
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20. Well...
First, assume that you learn to live in space, really live there, and to mine the resources of small moons and comets and Oort Cloud objects for your physical needs. Landing on a planet and coming back off of it requires a lot of energy, and I doubt that such a civilization would find the need to do that often!

Second, assume that the progress humans have made towards becoming true cyborgs continues. At some time, the whole brain will be uploaded into hardware and the need for a biological body disappears. Why go anywhere after that? You can send out your sensors and robots and they will report back to you when they are done, no matter how long that takes. Such civilizations could exist in the region of the Sun and we'd never know unless they wanted us to.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:30 PM
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18. It's probably just that the sky is so damn big
we simply haven't been found.

It's possible that all the crap "entertainment" and news we've been flinging into that same sky has repelled everyone else, us being the most violent in the galaxy, hands down.

I'll never buy the idea that we're alone in this universe, though, and I'd jump on the opportunity to prove that's not so.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:48 PM
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21. Maybe / Silly / Agree
Granted, the sky is the ultimate in huge, but if somebody else got into space first, it would likely be that they got there millions and millions of years before us, and each planet they colonized would eventually send out other explorers to colonize still more planets. Eventually the "Torus of Life" (That is the habitable part of the galaxy.) would have been fully explored because the rate of exploration would be exponential expansion. The other guys, if they double their number of planets in their space every ten thousand years, would have reached us back in dinosaur days.

Your second statement is mere posturing. We have only been broadcasting, and at rather low energy levels, for less than a century. On a cosmic scale, that is such a tiny slice of time as to almost not be there.

Complete agreement on your third statement.
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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:51 PM
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22. Fermi_Paradox
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-16-06 12:54 PM
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23. YOU can help explore space NOW.
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