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dubeskin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:16 AM
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Repug-fest changed my life. Please listen to this.
Edited on Sun Jun-25-06 03:22 AM by dubeskin

If you don't want to read all this, scroll down and click the last two links.



Every Saturday before 4th of July(not the weekend of though) my town does a little parade and fireworks show. How original, it's called the Rocklin Jubilee(the city's name). This little town of, oh, let's say 65,000 people sits in the valley and foothills, in Placer county California. I have heard that it is THE MOST conservative county in California. Oh well. But, taking that into consideration, every year there is a theme for the jubilee. Last year I don't remember. But this year, was yellow ribbons. TO symbolize the troops.

The whole time walking around the little tents set up selling things, I kept seeing all these "Republican-like" things, shirts saying "GOD BLESS AMERICA", "SUPPORT THE TROOPS", and naturally, with any republican-fest, there were guns. But they were marshmallow and rubber band guns, it's ok. Every evening, they do a huge fireworks display, probably 25 minutes longs. You get there early and "set up camp" that morning while watching the parade, and stay there all day to check everything out. At night they do fireworks, as I said. This was the first year they did music to it. The music, obviously, kept with the theme, and supported the troops. I remember them playing "I'm Proud To Be An American", "America The Beautiful", and many other such songs.

The red, white and blue fireworks shooting up in the air with a large bang, and hearing "I'm Proud To Be An American" mixed in. It brought tears to my eyes. This is the first time I have cried in a while. I was raise on not being to patriotic, because that was better left to the Republicans I was told. Now writing this again, it is bringing tears to my eyes thinking about it. About how much our country has been through, about how much history and natural beauty this country has.

Please, if you didn't read above, just read this. Remind yourself of America, and not what it stands for, but for what it truly is.

America the Beautiful

O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!

O beautiful for pilgrim feet
Whose stern, impassioned stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!

O beautiful for heroes proved In liberating strife.
Who more than self the country loved
And mercy more than life!
America! America!
May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness
And every gain divine!

O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!

O beautiful for halcyon skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the enameled plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till souls wax fair as earth and air
And music-hearted sea!

O beautiful for pilgrims feet,
Whose stern impassioned stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America ! America !
God shed his grace on thee
Till paths be wrought through
wilds of thought
By pilgrim foot and knee!

O beautiful for glory-tale
Of liberating strife
When once and twice,
for man's avail
Men lavished precious life !
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till selfish gain no longer stain
The banner of the free!

O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till nobler men keep once again
Thy whiter jubilee!

http://www.fuzzylu.com/falmouth/bates/america.html

And please, listen to the music. I hope it also brings tears to your eyes. Heck, even sing along. THis is my favorite version, by the wonderful and talented Ray Charles.

http://www.ra2.biz/yellowribbon/American_Sounds/America_is_Beautiful.mp3

Another tear-maker, "I'm Proud To Be An American" by Lee Greenwood.

http://www.noodlhead.com/Lee%20Greenwood%20-%20Proud%20To%20Be%20An%20American.mp3
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:35 AM
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1. I can't think of much that is "better left to Republicans"....
and certainly not patriotism. It is no coincidence that the states where the heritage is that of the original patriots are blue. The Republicans think waving a flag makes you patriotic, and by-and-large, their "patriotism" ends there.

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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:45 AM
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14. Yeah got to love those true patriots out there that never actually lift a
finger to fight for freedom. Its ok to wire tap, I don't say anything wrong on the phone anyhow. Troops returning home finding not only their homes are gone so is the money they were supposed to get because they lost equipment after being wounded. Thats ok, they are probably on drugs and besides they were homeless before signing on to the military. American soldiers killing non combatives? Thats ok too, after all its women and children thats setting up the road side bombs besides no one over there will tell our troops were the bomb makers are so they are just as guilty as the bomb makers. Imprisoning people in Cuba and torture? Well thats keeping another 9/11 from happening, besides they torture our people. These people that support shrub and make excuses don't deserve freedom. And they sure aren't patriots.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:42 AM
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2. I'm sorry that I don't understand the gist of your post.
"America the Beautiful" is a wonderful song, and I can get wrapped up in the trappings and sentimentality of July 4th, but that POS Lee Greenwood song? It's always struck me as jingoism set to a really bad melody, with really lousy lyics. What does that song, or over support for the war have to to with patriotism?

If I wept at such an event, I'd be weeping at the depravity and simple-mindedness out country has sunk to.


Maybe you were weeping at that too - it's hard to tell, since the point of your story is so vague.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:45 AM
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3. Hard to figure this one out
I, too, love my country very much. And I despair when I think of that love that so many of us feel, as it has been turned into an cheap commodity appropriated, seized, and/or purloined by the Radical Right. At least on this one, most of the (remaining) honest Conservatives are off the hook. (Wrong about politics, sure, but if they're not junior brownshirts, I have faith that they will eventually come around.)

I can't say I'm a big fan of Greenwood. He "swallowed the poison", and I hope he un-swallows it. A lot of people believe crazy-ass shit when they get patriotic. I don't doubt the man's love for the USA, but I strongly ... uh ... question the amount of hatred he puts into it. A lot of Stetsons, drunk on the love of America, have been declaring their boots a cozy fit for the rectums of Them A-Rabbs and everybody else they don't like. Over half a century ago a similar spirit turned the healthy love of Italy, Japan, Spain, and Germany into a genocidal fever that led to approximately one hundred million deaths.

We Americans have been "lucky" to have been deep in the fight against fascism but to have lost so few people (about a quarter of a million) to it. It falls to us to understand how love of country can be hijacked, perverted, poisoned, pimped, whored, sold, and debased as easily as it does. For a long time, America was a dream of freedom and justice. If we want to remain the latter-day Promised Land that lives up to Emma Lazarus' poetic promise, every successive generation of American children has to learn the vital difference between sincere patriotism and the ugly, brutal stain of nationalism.
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tos't to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
I loved that poem, even when I was a child and too young to understand exactly what the big deal was.

God Bless America? Sure, but first, we have to remain worthy of that blessing. And to me, that's a big part of what being a Liberal is about.

--p!
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:51 AM
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5. It's not hard to figure out if you are a TRUE BELIEVER.
Slogans, Flags, Songs, ...... there are those that are not like us. They are the enemy.
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anniebelle Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:48 AM
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9. Nationalism sounds Hitleresque to me.
I can always tell the Repukes in the parking lot by all their flags, "support the troops" decals tattooed all over their Hummers, gun racks in their pickups, hate and hypocricy all over their hearts and minds. Gimme a break!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:11 AM
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10. None of them are actually in uniform, though, right?
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:35 PM
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27. Nationalism can be benign. Chauvinism and jingoism are more
problematic.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:59 AM
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6. Hear, hear. I love the verses of "America the Beautiful" & "New Colossus"
If I had my druthers "America the Beautiful" would be the National Anthem -- it so reminds us of what we still need to do, ot how our work is cut out for us.

The tears the original poster shed--if I understand correctly--are those any of us can understand. We are living in dark times, but we love our country and its promise with all our hearts.

Hekate

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StrongbadTehAwesome Donating Member (623 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 03:50 AM
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4. The Greenwood song is actually called
"God Bless The USA".


That song actually angers me. "...where at least I know I'm free..." Like no other country is? Like I'm so free to have my phone conversations turned over to the NSA? To me it sounds like "God Bless America, and nowhere else." Your mileage may vary, of course.


But I do love "America the Beautiful". It's my favorite of all patriotic music.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:35 AM
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:51 PM
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35. And that bit about all the men who died
like no women ever did....

American Female Casualties of Wars

World War I: At least 359 servicewomen died, mostly from influenza and vehicle and aircraft accidents.

World War II: 543 died, mostly from vehicle and aircraft accidents. Sixteen Army nurses died from enemy fire.

Korean War: 17 died, mostly from vehicle or aircraft accidents.

Vietnam War: 8 died, one from hostile fire, one suicide, and the rest from vehicle and aircraft accidents.

Gulf War (Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm): 16 died, mostly from vehicle and aircraft accidents and hostile fire.

Iraq war: 52 have died from hostile fire, and 378 have been wounded in action.

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,97220,00.html

I can't stand the song either. It's a bullshit sop, and it talks down to those in uniform. I always noticed that the brass would rather play that halfassed tune when it first came out, than fight to get pay raises for the junior personnel....

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Lusted4 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:05 AM
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7. Thine alabaster cities gleam. ( sounds like NOLA ) n/t
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:26 AM
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8. Here's a song for ya:
THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND
words and music by Woody Guthrie

Chorus:
This land is your land, this land is my land
From California, to the New York Island
From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me

As I was walking a ribbon of highway
I saw above me an endless skyway
I saw below me a golden valley
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

I've roamed and rambled and I've followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

The sun comes shining as I was strolling
The wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling
The fog was lifting a voice come chanting
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

As I was walkin' - I saw a sign there
And that sign said - no tress passin'
But on the other side .... it didn't say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!

Chorus

In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office - I see my people
And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
If this land's still made for you and me.

Chorus (2x)


http://www.arlo.net/lyrics/this-land.shtml
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 10:01 AM
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21. Now THAT is a patriotic song!
Love it! Thanks for posting.

I get a chuckle sometimes when Repugs play a verse or two at some gathering or another... clearly they don't know all the lyrics:)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 02:26 PM
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22. Republicans seem to be incapable of grasping song lyrics.
As evidenced by all the times they've tried to use "Born in the USA" as a rah-rah jingoistic anthem in the past 20 or so years.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:10 AM
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12. "Repug-fest changed my life..."
OK, so are you trying to tell us that you are now a converted Repug? Sure sounds like it. :(

Gettin' your fill of this stuff?

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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:40 AM
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13. As long as Cheney,bush Condi and Rummy are in office
Edited on Sun Jun-25-06 06:50 AM by az chela
We will have no freedom in the USA.YOU can sing all the songs you want and wave your flags and it will mean nothing as we now how a dictator running this country.
What freedom are you celebrating???Our troops coming home in coffins or missing body parts???Thousands of innocent Iraqi's being killed and their homes destroyed??
We have to end this farce that bush calls his war,cause he's the war president.Well he isnt my president and I am ashamed of a country I once loved.
There will be no celebrating at my house this 4th of July.I am ashamed of what this government has done so that they can make billions of dollars,act like they are important when they are all blood thirsty assholes.george w is a coward .
I will fast and mourn on the 4th for all the innocent people that have been harmed
and killed and for the troops that have turned into torturers from all the hate this government has planted in them.
Will we ever be free again????????
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:31 PM
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:46 PM
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34. Leaders that take their countries into unwarranted wars of aggression
...tend to STAIN their countries reputations for GENERATIONS.

We are all made complicit in the Anglo-American Invasion of Iraq.
We are all responsible for the murders of THOUSANDS of innocent Iraqis and
THOUSANDS of american marines and soldiers that had NO CHOICE but to
follow the orders of a "pResident" who is BILKING our country, using
OUR taxes to flow BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars into the coffers
connected companies like Halliburton and Lockheed.

"Just a President", indeed!

Enjoy your limited stay here.
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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:56 PM
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36. America is much more than any one president?
i hate to question your patriotism, but HAVE YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION????

if bush has any say about it america will be DEFINED as his presidency.

yes, we have lived through lots of bad presidents, but have ANY of them even came close to the evilness of lord pissypants?

if they could have their way, i honestly believe that there would never be another election.

have any of our other presidents engendered THAT impression????

wake up and smell the fascism.

your very example of fake patriotism makes me ill.

but i will try not to hold it against you. you are just gullible.

pay attention and the scales will fall from your eyes.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:58 PM
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40. Pay Attention
I'm not sure the scales will fall from that person's eyes

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:02 PM
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 08:02 AM
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15. Yeah, "Proud to be an American" brings tears to my eyes, too.
Wretched jingoistic tripe.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:35 PM
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:44 PM
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33. The SONG is wretched jingoistic tripe.
Edited on Sun Jun-25-06 05:49 PM by tanyev
My feelings about my country are another matter entirely.

Here's a song I do find very moving.

Trouble In The Fields
(Nanci Griffith & Rick West)

Baby I know that we've got trouble in the fields
When the bankers swarm like locust out there turning away our
yield
The trains roll by our silos, silver in the rain
They leave our pockets full of nothing
But our dreams and the golden grain

Have you seen the folks in line downtown at the station
They're all buying their ticket out and talking the great
depression
Our parents had their hard times fifty years ago
When they stood out in these empty fields in dust as deep as
snow


And all this trouble in our fields
If this rain can fall, these wounds can heal
They'll never take our native soil
But if we sell that new John Deere
And then we'll work these crops with sweat and tears
You'll be the mule I'll be the plow
Come harvest time we'll work it out
There's still a lotta love, here in these troubled fields

There's a book up on the shelf about the dust bowl days
And there's a little bit of you and a little bit of me
In the photos on every page
Now our children live in the city and they rest upon our
shoulders
They never want the rain to fall or the weather to get colder



You'll be the mule I'll be the plow
Come harvest time we'll work it out
There's still a lotta love, here in these troubled fields

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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:57 PM
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37. She By God Didn't Want To Live In Oklahoma!
that's a great song, paraphrasing Nancy on her live CD introducing that song.

come harvest time, we'll work it out!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:57 PM
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38. Nobody's lost any rights, eh??
What, you've been asleep for the past five years? Are you daft?

I think you're on the wrong forum if you believe that shit.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:59 PM
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41. I Think You've Got It! n/t
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:06 PM
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43. Why are you proud to be an American?
Because your own government started a war in Iraq under false pretenses and with neither the troop resources allocated to fight it nor a plan for an exit strategy?
Because your own government thinks it's no big deal to spy on you?
Because your own government is bankrupting the Social Security program?
Because your own government let people live like animals in the Superdome?
Because your own government let others in the Gulf region rot in their mold-infested homes for a year?

As to losing rights, we are rapidly losing the right to be left alone (SC justice Louis Brandeis outlined this most eloquently, if you are interested in reading about it.) The government is systematically laying the groundwork for a society where we can make no movement that goes unrecorded, no passage without showing papers.

You compared your current status with 10 years ago. I can reflect on a long timeline and I find the shift appalling and fear we are heading away from the freedom that made me proud to be an American. There's a lot about this country that is wonderful, but there's a lot going wrong too.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:21 AM
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16. Oh brother. You must be an easy sell for the fascists. The US is a
country. It's done a some good things, but it's done a hell of a lot more in the bad department...and we never acknowledge those things. We were built on the genocidal extermination of the people who lived among these amber waves of grain and around the purple mountain majesty. We have wasted the tremendous power and wealth we had available to do so much for the world. We need to get over our fantasy of ourselves and get real about what we are and decide whether we want to continue to be aggressive rapers of the earth or whether we want to use our power and wealth to make the world better for everyone. We have seen and believed too many of our Hollywood movies where we are always the knight in shining armor.

To keep patting ourselves on the back when we don't deserve it is rather sad.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:31 AM
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17. And the only way we could really atone for those sins
is to become that "beacon of light" to the world but we've cast that aside and continued our grand tradition of "might makes right". It's not fair that those of us in this country who truly want to be that light will probably more likely die by the sword our government lives by.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:39 PM
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:31 AM
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18. Is the sarcasm thingy missing in this post?
:shrug:
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:34 AM
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19. No, it's missing in dude's MIND
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:30 PM
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46. Sounds like the "dude" is outing himself...
...and has brought along one of his friends to say "ditto" ;)

"patriotism is best left to republicans"? Yeah, whatever dude. Why aren't you in Iraq?
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:39 AM
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20. You seem to be implying that "God Bless America" is a Republican sentiment
and that no Democrat would say or think such a thing.

If so, you have either accepted, or are here promoting, Republican talking points (or both).

But I suspect this is a "drive by" posting and I don't expect to see you back, at least on this thread...

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vixengrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 04:42 PM
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23. I think I know what you mean--but it's not just Repug-fest.
You'd think Republicans or at least conservatives, were the only ones who felt patriotic stirrings and were even licensed to wave a flag every now and then. It's not that it's wrong to be patriotic, or that all that sentiment is for them--it's like it was taken away from *us*. But that beauty and history belong to us, all of us--for the people, of the people, by the people.

A little backstory on me--I grew up in love with my country because of the 4th of July Bicentennial celebration at the Lawncrest Recreation Center, Phila, PA, back in July, 1976. I was just short of four years old, and I guess that was the right age, I imprinted on all of it in a big way. To me, then, it was about parades and eating red white and blue rocket pops. But as I got older, it seemed like I kept coming back to that patriotic place--what was the fuss about? The Declaration of Independence? The idea of freedom? The Constitution? Those were the things that mattered. That was what were celebrated after all, not the symbolism, or the the "My country, right or wrong" bull.

This is a beautiful country, and it was founded on high principles. Some people have felt it was their promised land, and it can be that. It seems weird that you can hear self-professed patriots ask why liberals hate America. I don't. I just want the best for my country--its beautiful lands to remain beautiful (environmentalism), its promises to remain sure (civil rights).

And Ray Charles' "America the Beautiful" is so good it once came on my car radio and I nearly had to pull over--I was choked up.
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BuhByeChimp Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:13 PM
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24. I enjoyed your post
I'm new hear and I'm a moderate who doesn't see Republicans as the enemy, only people with differing opinions.

With that said, I could have enjoyed that event with them while bringing my own view of things to them if they would listen.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:41 PM
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30. Neocons Are The Enemy
and those who vote for them by association
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:33 PM
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26. Lee Greenwood??? This is a joke, right? BLEEE-ECHHH.
what faux-patriotic pap.

That thing is to patriotism what Fox News is to news. That is to say, not even a reasonable facsimile.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:42 PM
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31. I Can't Tell If This Is A Joke
or something that got posted on the wrong site, maybe should have been on a site initials FR
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:44 PM
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50. Yeah, I just wasn't sure...
troll? Sincere person with extreme musical-taste and political-sensitivity disorder?

Color me confused.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:30 PM
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53. They're Still Alive
and they seemed to draw out posters that aren't all alive anymore to this thread

It is a strange thread

no accounting for taste

America the Beautiful is a great song, but the OP seemed like either sarcasm or well, nevermind
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:44 PM
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32. I liked the song by Lee Greenwood at first
...until I realized it was being used by the Right to rally nationalism instead of patriotism. When did I realize that? When I came home from living in the UK and started hearing that I was a "terrorist-supporter" because I disagreed with what Bush** was doing. This was coming from the same people who liked to crank up Lee Greenwood's song, like it was a tribute to their own "patriotism" -- a line in the sand they drew to tell people like me we weren't "real Americans".

I'm not proud to be considered an American as the Republicans define it. I AM proud of being a liberal, thinking, reality-based, considerate American who's against the Bush** theo-con/corporate regime and all it stands for.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 05:58 PM
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39. "Pride goeth before the fall....."
I'm not 'proud' to be an American. Pride doesn't do a thing for anyone except maybe the ego. However, I have always been gratefull that I live in America and have had the benefit of being an American. Tears should be shed for those who suffer because of greed and the thirst for power. Certainly the red white and blue and patriotic songs are symbols of our struggle but it is wrong to make them our creed.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:13 PM
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45. Do you REALLY want to change your life and contribute to the Republic?
Start by checking out this website, and then go to this website, and then go to this website. Finally go to this website. Of course then you will be required to make a choice as to which road through life would better suit you.

Give it a shot, and then write us back in a few months and let us know how everything is going.

Good luck to you...
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cushla_machree Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:36 PM
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47. Proud to be an american tears?
I'm sorry, that song is the worst.

You know what brings tears to MY eyes? (i am being completely serious, sometimes i get a lump in my throat if i hear it being read)

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.



or, this:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Some hillbilly song about proud to be an american? No thanks. Its catchy, but it has no value. The history has value, and sadly thats one thing repugs are lacking.
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cushla_machree Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:43 PM
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48. Maybe you should be reading this instead:
And please hit the links on this one:

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.


http://showcase.netins.net/web/creative/lincoln/speeches/gettysburg.htm
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jules Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 06:55 PM
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49. poor grammar
I cringe every time I hear a drunken group of chickenhawks at karaoke sing these lines:

I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I'm free

The bad grammar bugs me even more than the sappy sentiment...
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Rainscents Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:47 PM
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51. ...
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 09:37 PM
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54. Normally, I'd say that many eye rolling smilies are an indulgence, but
in this case, I think they're warranted! LOL
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-25-06 07:56 PM
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52. I Hate That Patriotic Crap
I remember hating it in the '80s, when Reagan was in. It's because it represents nationalism, not true patriotism. Why can't we love our country without acting like a bunch of braindead fascists? Why can't we love our country without hating everyone else's? Sorry, but I just can't get into that Greenwood crap.

Tammy
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